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danzag
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| Darvin Ham doesn't know what to do when AD is doubled. Teams are going to do that during the playoffs and we don't know how to act. |
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joeblow
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| Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Zero Accountability for Bron |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | cheesehead88 wrote: | Hit the nail right on the head.
With Bamba at 5 and AD at 4 Lakers would have been the bigger badder bullies. If anything just to keep AD away from foul trouble going into the third
With AD at Center he was destroyed by Zubac crashing the boards from weak side and in low post on switches.
If anything you use Max Christie or Vando short stretches to guard Powell or Bones.
Shut off the water.
DLO and Reaves the most skilled offensive backcourt in the league. But on D very similar to the Dame Lillard CJ McCollum backcourt. They don’t provide any real resistance at POA and their back pressure not as good as Danny Green or Caruso.
They start doing pick and roll or isos with a quick guard. Need to put Vando or Christie in to shut it off
Don’t stick with the 3 guard lineup “hoping” the threes or Austin Reaves midrange / foul baiting starts to work
This team only works if the D is 2020 quality shut down defense
Bamba and Christie would help
Jay Huff or Whiteside would have helped too
| joeblow wrote: | Yeah, I'm not as gracious as others by simply accepting we were due a loss in this game because of "reasons". At minimum, whatever factors are at play when a team hits the court, you are still in control of doing the best you can with what you have. The Lakers didn't fully do that last night.
The Clippers did the best they could with what they had. I can't diminish what their coach and players brought to the game in tactics, effort and execution. They still could've won even if we did a better job doing the same. Here are my issues with what happened:
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- If Bamba was activated, why wasn't he on the floor to draw Zubac's coverage when we had the ball, which frees up AD and Lebron to then abuse their smaller defenders?
- In general, it's clear Ham embraces the three-guard lineups so much because of what he hopes we gain from it offensively, but it often kills us defensively which is where we need the most help. In the third he mostly stuck with two guards, two forwards and AD at center, and guess what? We held the Clips to 22 points while still scoring over 30 ourselves.
- Whatever lineup we have out there, Ham has to more quickly recognize the area of weakness our opponents are consistently attacking and make adjustments. Early in the fourth quarter, Bones targeted Dennis over and over by simply shooting over him and he put up a TON of points doing so. Dennis is tiny so no surprise there, but where is Ham with the adjustments? The same is true with how Austin was getting blitzed a lot by Powell earlier on.
- Lastly, if there were an award given out for the emptiest of stat lines after a game, LeBron would've taken home the trophy two games in a row. Yes, his numbers look good on paper, but anyone watching the game knows how much he hurt the team. His game in the first half was ATROCIOUS. Unforced turnovers, unsuccessfully shooting too many long distance shots (including just inside the thre point line), an almost complete lack of interest in playing defense... I literally joked out loud that he must've had some money on the game for the Clippers to win. His second half was a decent turn around, especially in defensive effort and FINALLY attacking the basket, but the worthless threes he made at the end when the game was already decided didn't impress.
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All of these problems could've been addressed for a better Laker showing, and hopefully we see that in the last two games and beyond. |
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Having Bambo's 1st game against the Clips probably would have seen various defensive lapses and the Clips would have forced him to the perimeter.
The slow "Help the Helper" was more the culprit unless you think that Zubac is a better player than AD.
They did have Vando on him for a little while but was just a little slow. Having Christie could have been used to bring a burst of energy.
When LBJ has 6 of the 14TOs, along with his lackluster 1st half, Lakers were in trouble. TLue double/triple-team from different angles and the Lakers now have videos to breakdown while devising counters to these defensive schemes.
Lakers, as a whole, seemed to be a step slow on all their rotations and didn't have the needed energy to place an intense sense of urgency on defense.
Good thing is that all their players were available. |
I agree that LBJ was beyond horrific in the first half as I mentioned above. However I disagree that having Bamba out there would've made things worse instead of better.
If the Clips tried to draw Mo to the perimeter, so what? For one, Zubac's not an outside threat at all, and on a switch the idea would've been to force the smaller shooter off the three pointline into the paint where AD (and to a lesser extent LBJ and or Vandy) are now protecting the paint.
Remember, when we faced a MUCH better center in Jokic during the 2020 playoffs, we dominated with size by putting D12 on their center with AD and Lebron rounding off the front court. Backing them up were the 6'9" twins of M. Morris and Kuzma. The perimeter defensive assignments were competently manned by KCP, Danny Green, Caruso and Rondo. Defense coming at 'em from ALL directions, often bigger than what they had and we dominated.
In the loss vs. the Clippers we dominated only one quarter, the third, and it is the only one in which we mostly played a traditional two guard, two forward and center line up. A lot of the rest of the game was manned by the dreaded three guard line up, which (once again) proved woefully incompetent at defending the opponent.
So going back to what Ham should've done, an all-hands-on-deck defensive line up on the floor at times could have been Bamba, AD, Lebron in the front court and Vandy with Troy Brown in the back court.
There's no way anyone can claim that they wouldn't have been far more effective slowing down the scoring of the Clips compared to the three guard squad Ham ended up using. No, not for the whole game of course, but just enough to keep things closer than they were. |
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joeblow
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| Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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cheesehead88
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| Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 6:19 am Post subject: |
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Completely agree. At this stage in his career Bron is better in the open court than in the half court. No one runs the floor better than AD.
Then need the stops to generate the fast break
Vandy and Troy Brown in the backcourt is totally acceptable for short stretches to shut off the water and have Bron and AD running a little
Even if turnovers or ineffective. 2020 would still grind out wins or make these huge comebacks in the 3rd quarter largely with that Bron Dwight Caruso unit leading the charge
They effectively blitzed hedged Portland and Denver completely neutralizing Dame and Jamal Murray knowing that even if those elite guards got past the first line they would have rim protection behind them
Not only rim protection but elite back pressure by Danny Green Caruso and KCP
Can’t underestimate back pressure in terms of harrassing mid range pull-ups and getting rebounds
Danny Green and Caruso were good rebounding guards and shot blocking help defense on the perimeter. This allows AD and Bron to leak out on the break |
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cheesehead88
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| Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 6:31 am Post subject: |
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If the Clips tried to draw Mo to the perimeter, so what? For one, Zubac's not an outside threat at all, and on a switch the idea would've been to force the smaller shooter off the three pointline into the paint where AD (and to a lesser extent LBJ and or Vandy) are now protecting the paint.
This is the Frank Vogel catch hedge philosophy
You can shut down everything completely
It’s really a trap for elite perimeter players guards/wings
The hedge or blitz takes away the three ball. Most common offense by far with elite guards is pick and roll. Or some sort of motion give and go handoff action.
If you don’t switch it doesn’t matter because you have quality back pressure breathing down from behind and a good secondary big rim protection
If you switch have a guard or wing shooting a lower efficiency mid range shot free throw line extended and in 18 foot range trying to get it over 7 feet Mo Bamba or 6’10 AD
The three guard is helpless
Kawhi can shoot midrange jumpers all day long over Schroeder or Austin or DLO
He won’t be able to shoot them over AD or Bamba |
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