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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:28 am    Post subject: maybe the problem is our ownership's vision of how game is being played nowadays

i don't think the Buss family is fully adopted into the new way the league is playing. gone are the slow half court offense that centered around one or two stars and rest of the team just standing around. that's the way Show Time played, outside of the fast breaks, it'd be like Magic dumping the ball to KAJ or Worthy and let them go to work. same deal with Shaq and Kobe, Kobe and Pau. no motion offense, no constant cutting and player movements. this is why every other team in the league including the worst teams record wise can just plug someone off the G-League into their offense and look good. Lakers on the other hand, it's still LeBron or AD dribbling for 20 seconds and taking contested jumpers.

coaching staff can only do so much if that's the order given from above and that's the way owner/front office feel can win games.
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Championships are still won by hall of famers. They're doing it right. Your complaints are about how the team plays, which is a reflection of the coach.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:47 am    Post subject:

Why can’t be like the warriors and suns have a motion offense in place when stars are out.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:51 am    Post subject:

SGV-Laker fan wrote:
Why can’t be like the warriors and suns have a motion offense in place when stars are out.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:02 am    Post subject: Re: maybe the problem is our ownership's vision of how game is being played nowadays

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i don't think the Buss family is fully adopted into the new way the league is playing.


1. Do you actually think that anyone in the Buss family has anything to do with this?

2. We won a title seventeen months ago. There are a lot of things about this franchise to criticize. This isn't one of them. We just don't have a championship roster right now.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:42 am    Post subject:

its only poorly constructed. they swung and missed. Its clear as day what we need moving forward in regard to players.

It sucks we suck but oh well. Still watch every game as tough as it is.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:58 am    Post subject:

I don’t think we need a bunch of superstars playing ball hog. We need
One superstar, which we seem to have and a solid & heathy supporting cast which we don’t have.

Playmakers can’t make assist if your shooters can't shoot


No coach can win with this disfuncional, old group of players. Change the
Coach and you still have a bunch of shorties trying to stop a team like the
Bucks, GSW or runners like the Bulls, Ja and others. Not Happening.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 9:18 am    Post subject:

They've never believed in building through the draft. It's one of the prime reasons why there's starting to be separation from all the other organizations. Look at how the Warriors draft picks are contributing to winning, even with Wiseman out. I don't even have to talk about the Grizzles. They've done a superb job of building a contender through the draft. Everyone and everything minus Lebron and AD is just an asset to them and expendable, even the coaching staff. That stuff wrecks continuity and makes life toxic for most players, and the media isn't doing them any favors. It looks like half the players on the roster don't even want to be here.

We can all agree that it starts at the top. LeGM, Klutch and co. hijacked the team for their own agenda, and no one in the FO has the balls to tell them to (bleep) off. I'd be praising Pelinka if he started rebuilding right now, but he's not going to do it out of loyalty to them.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 9:26 am    Post subject:

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Championships are still won by hall of famers. They're doing it right. Your complaints are about how the team plays, which is a reflection of the coach.


Hall of famers in their primes or close to it. Not hall of famers only a couple years away from being inducted into it

No coach can fix our old age
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:40 am    Post subject:

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Championships are still won by hall of famers. They're doing it right. Your complaints are about how the team plays, which is a reflection of the coach.


You're wrong
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:14 pm    Post subject:

danzag wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Championships are still won by hall of famers. They're doing it right. Your complaints are about how the team plays, which is a reflection of the coach.


You're wrong


Go through every championship team and count the amount of HOF's on each team. Sure, you'll find the occasional exception, like the 94 Rockets. But even they needed to add HOF Clyde Drexler to repeat the very next season, plus they benefitted greatly from having the best player on the best team (MJ) be on sabbatical.

Hell, even the 2004 Pistons have a minimum of 2 HOF's (Ben Wallace was recently inducted, Billups is pretty much a shoe-in to be inducted), and a HOF coach in Larry Brown. Rip Hamilton was nominated, so he has a chance to make it in as well. Even if he doesn't make it, a HOF-nominee is still quiet a distinction from other players and vibes with the argument of needing HOF players to win.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 1:54 pm    Post subject:

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Championships are still won by hall of famers. They're doing it right. Your complaints are about how the team plays, which is a reflection of the coach.


Championships usually aren't won by assembling guys who you already know will be Hall of Famers.

Players become Hall of Famers by winning championships.

The Lakers have gotten too hung up on resumes, rather than focusing on talent and fit.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:17 pm    Post subject:

activeverb wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Championships are still won by hall of famers. They're doing it right. Your complaints are about how the team plays, which is a reflection of the coach.


Championships usually aren't won by assembling guys who you already know will be Hall of Famers.

Players become Hall of Famers by winning championships.

The Lakers have gotten too hung up on resumes, rather than focusing on talent and fit.



This. (2020-2021 Bucks)
Giannis, Jrue, Middleton, Tucker, Lopez, Portis, Connaughton.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:20 pm    Post subject:

krisobe wrote:
activeverb wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Championships are still won by hall of famers. They're doing it right. Your complaints are about how the team plays, which is a reflection of the coach.


Championships usually aren't won by assembling guys who you already know will be Hall of Famers.

Players become Hall of Famers by winning championships.

The Lakers have gotten too hung up on resumes, rather than focusing on talent and fit.



This. (2020-2021 Bucks)

The bucks are the outlier. Giannis is different. You swap anyone else in his place and they don't win. Not KD, steph, embiid.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:22 pm    Post subject:

krisobe wrote:
activeverb wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Championships are still won by hall of famers. They're doing it right. Your complaints are about how the team plays, which is a reflection of the coach.


Championships usually aren't won by assembling guys who you already know will be Hall of Famers.

Players become Hall of Famers by winning championships.

The Lakers have gotten too hung up on resumes, rather than focusing on talent and fit.



This. (2020-2021 Bucks)
Giannis, Jrue, Middleton, Tucker, Lopez, Portis, Connaughton.


You mean the team that won during the playoffs that had a record number of all-star players injured?

Funny how everyone is so quick to dismiss the Lakers 2020 "bubble" championship but give the Bucks a pass for their fortuitous championship run...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:32 pm    Post subject:

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Championships are still won by hall of famers. They're doing it right. Your complaints are about how the team plays, which is a reflection of the coach.
I agree with hall of fame talent winning chips but this ownership ain't doing it right.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:38 pm    Post subject:

Batguano wrote:
krisobe wrote:
activeverb wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Championships are still won by hall of famers. They're doing it right. Your complaints are about how the team plays, which is a reflection of the coach.


Championships usually aren't won by assembling guys who you already know will be Hall of Famers.

Players become Hall of Famers by winning championships.

The Lakers have gotten too hung up on resumes, rather than focusing on talent and fit.



This. (2020-2021 Bucks)
Giannis, Jrue, Middleton, Tucker, Lopez, Portis, Connaughton.


You mean the team that won during the playoffs that had a record number of all-star players injured?

Funny how everyone is so quick to dismiss the Lakers 2020 "bubble" championship but give the Bucks a pass for their fortuitous championship run...


The main thing people talk about the bubble championship is the shortened season, 4 month break, YMCA style tournament, and no parade. Injuries are apart of the game.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 4:13 pm    Post subject:

Outspoken wrote:
Batguano wrote:
krisobe wrote:
activeverb wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Championships are still won by hall of famers. They're doing it right. Your complaints are about how the team plays, which is a reflection of the coach.


Championships usually aren't won by assembling guys who you already know will be Hall of Famers.

Players become Hall of Famers by winning championships.

The Lakers have gotten too hung up on resumes, rather than focusing on talent and fit.



This. (2020-2021 Bucks)
Giannis, Jrue, Middleton, Tucker, Lopez, Portis, Connaughton.


You mean the team that won during the playoffs that had a record number of all-star players injured?

Funny how everyone is so quick to dismiss the Lakers 2020 "bubble" championship but give the Bucks a pass for their fortuitous championship run...


The main thing people talk about the bubble championship is the shortened season, 4 month break, YMCA style tournament, and no parade. Injuries are apart of the game.



Kawhi Leonard not getting hurt guaranteed the Clippers beat the Suns and then Giannis. Hell if Kyrie doesn't get hurt it's Clippers and Nets finals. We all seen what Kyrie did to the Bucks all by himself the other night. Jrue's impressive defense looked unimpressive.

If Injuries are apart of the game to your logic the Lakers 2020 Bubble Chip should be more admired as nobody was injured and they faced every team at full strength. That 3 month hiatus , every team got that so imo everyone benefited from that rest.


Ymca tourney? Weakest excuse where I'll say anyone who says that crap never played ball before. Courts in the bubble were 94 feet long and rims where 10 feet tall still. Earned Not given.


Carry on...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 4:17 pm    Post subject:

KingKobe20 wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
Batguano wrote:
krisobe wrote:
activeverb wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Championships are still won by hall of famers. They're doing it right. Your complaints are about how the team plays, which is a reflection of the coach.


Championships usually aren't won by assembling guys who you already know will be Hall of Famers.

Players become Hall of Famers by winning championships.

The Lakers have gotten too hung up on resumes, rather than focusing on talent and fit.



This. (2020-2021 Bucks)
Giannis, Jrue, Middleton, Tucker, Lopez, Portis, Connaughton.


You mean the team that won during the playoffs that had a record number of all-star players injured?

Funny how everyone is so quick to dismiss the Lakers 2020 "bubble" championship but give the Bucks a pass for their fortuitous championship run...


The main thing people talk about the bubble championship is the shortened season, 4 month break, YMCA style tournament, and no parade. Injuries are apart of the game.



Kawhi Leonard not getting hurt guaranteed the Clippers beat the Suns and then Giannis. Hell if Kyrie doesn't get hurt it's Clippers and Nets finals. We all seen what Kyrie did to the Bucks all by himself the other night. Jrue's impressive defense looked unimpressive.

If Injuries are apart of the game to your logic the Lakers 2020 Bubble Chip should be more admired as nobody was injured and they faced every team at full strength. That 3 month hiatus , every team got that so imo everyone benefited from that rest.


Ymca tourney? Weakest excuse where I'll say anyone who says that crap never played ball before. Courts in the bubble were 94 feet long and rims where 10 feet tall still. Earned Not given.


Carry on...

The word guaranteed in the hypothetical has always been funny. KL/PG had one of the biggest choke jobs in the bubble.

and like AD, KL is always hurt, if he wasn't he wouldn't be KL.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:02 pm    Post subject:

Jesse Buss exists. This shouldnt be an issue.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:39 pm    Post subject:

Halflife wrote:
krisobe wrote:
activeverb wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Championships are still won by hall of famers. They're doing it right. Your complaints are about how the team plays, which is a reflection of the coach.


Championships usually aren't won by assembling guys who you already know will be Hall of Famers.

Players become Hall of Famers by winning championships.

The Lakers have gotten too hung up on resumes, rather than focusing on talent and fit.



This. (2020-2021 Bucks)

The bucks are the outlier. Giannis is different. You swap anyone else in his place and they don't win. Not KD, steph, embiid.


How can you say not KD when he almost kicked them out with a ambulance driving his team to games
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