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| Who’s your starting SG for the 2021-2022 Lakers? |
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| Malik Monk |
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| Kent Bazemore |
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THT as a starter is exciting on paper, but in theory by the time playoffs roll around, teams will scheme to leave their man off him and Westbrook.
So unless THT makes strides off the ball, both in moving the way Caruso did, or spot up shooting more like a KCP, not sure how he fits as a starter.
I do like the defensive versatility in THT playing. While he is still learning how to defend, he has the length and power (and hands) that can allow him to switch defensively. Westbrook-THT-Ariza-Bron-AD coming out on the perimeter will be quite a load for teams to deal with regards to quick feet and length.
Back to offense floor balance. Got to get at least 2 shooters next to Westbrook-AD-Bron. I also feel Bron should be initiating the offense when Westbrook is out there, as Bron has improved his spot up 3 point shooting a lot. Bring the ball up, let the defense key in on him, move the ball to Westbrook on the wing (Wade role) and Westbrook tries to get to the rim or take a high percentage shot, or draws the defense to open up a shot for a teammate. Unlike Dennis, Westbrook is capable to find the open man and deliver big assist nights. |
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Ellingtons motion and off the ball movement would really help us.
I hope Gasol can come back a little more in shape because that would really take this team to a different level.
PG.Westbrook
SG.Ellington
SF.LeBron
PF.Davis
C.Gasol
IMO bazemore is just not that type of shooter to be a starter and would be best if used when Davis moves to the 5.
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Bazemore and it’s not even close, IMO.
Best defender we have at that spot on the roster.
Athletic , competitive, can hit the three & create his own shot.
The absolute best fit for the starting unit.
Only player I see potentially pushing him for that spot is Monk.
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Car54
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| RashardA wrote: | Bazemore and it’s not even close, IMO.
Best defender we have at that spot on the roster.
Athletic , competitive, can hit the three & create his own shot.
The absolute best fit for the starting unit.
Only player I see potentially pushing him for that spot is Monk. |
I get the defense arguments but Ellington is more accurate and makes difficult shots. He’s a better passer and decision maker. I think the offense would be better with Ellington
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Ellington averaged 6 threes a game, Bazemore averaged under 3. If we are looking for an outside threat along with AD, Lebron and Westbrook, offensively you would want Ellington. Factor in defense, maybe Bazemore. The only certainty is that there isn’t a clear choice.
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| Megaton wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | 40% say Kent.
I'm proud of you, LG! |
Just means 40% of LG are gonna be very shocked.  |
Could be. Obviously we'll know more during training camp and preseason, and opinions can change, but from what we know now about the players and coach, I'm glad the majority is using the same logic.
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Picked Ellington because there should be at least one good 3 point shooter
in the game.
Russell. not good 3
Ellington elite at 3
LeBron ok at 3
AD. ??
Gasol. ok at 3
So there is one guy they cannot leave open at the 3 point line.
Everyone else the defense will take a chance on. |
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| RashardA wrote: | Bazemore and it’s not even close, IMO.
Best defender we have at that spot on the roster.
Athletic , competitive, can hit the three & create his own shot.
The absolute best fit for the starting unit.
Only player I see potentially pushing him for that spot is Monk. |
Must not have watched any warrior games.
His basketball IQ is severely lacking. Lol |
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If it were me, I'd start Nunn.
Nunn
Russ
LeBron
AD
Dwight
Then have THT and Monk off the bench
Monk
THT
Bazemore
Melo
Gasol
Ellington and Ariza as replacements at 2/3 or 4 based on injuries and based on matchups.
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Thats what I would do too
You start your 5 best players
Nunn
Russ
Bron
AD
Dwight
If you play D and run you don’t need spacing and spot up shooting
Running the fast break creates space on its own
Nunn can run the left wing
Bron the right wing
Russ in the middle
Dwight and AD trailing
The Showtime Lakers didn’t win because the offense was 90% Kareem skyhooks and Byron Scott corner 3s
That was like 30% or the offense
70% of the offense was Magic taking it right to the hole and Worthy flying in from the wing |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Lonzo-Lite wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Lonzo-Lite wrote: |
THT doesn’t make any sense to start with LBJ and Russ. He doesn’t space the floor and he also needs the ball in his hands. LBJ and Russ need spot up shooters to create spacing more than they need another ball handler. |
He has the best indicators for shooting potential, and limiting his 3-point shots to just catch and shoot, helps develop percentages.
He doesn't need the ball in his hands. He didn't have that in Iowa St. He didn't have that as a rookie. Could legit just play him like a 3/D player with transition ability. He's also about on par with Bazemore as an off-ball defender, maybe better. |
Potential is something else, LBJ and Russ need something now, they don’t need someone that could potentially be.
THT hasn’t shown he could be a good consistent catch and shoot in high volume.
What he’s shown so far is that he’s good with the ball in his hands at slashing and semi-facilitating. The starters need spacing and THT doesn’t give that to them right now. |
I'm willing to bet that THT is probably a 36%+ catch and shoot 3pt shooter, and to me, that's more than enough and isn't what he could "potentially be."
What I really hate about everyone defaulting to "the Lakers need spacing" is, it doesn't take into account that LAL is building a transition team first. That's why THT got the money. That's why Westbrook got traded for. Transition/rim pressure first. Shooting second.
Personally, I don't want to rely on an outlier year for Bazemore when he was playing for a new contract and is still an average career 3-point shooter, and actually got a ton of catch-and-shoot 3s, unlike THT. |
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If you play D and run you don’t need spacing and spot up shooting
Running the fast break creates space on its own
Nunn can run the left wing
Bron the right wing
Russ in the middle
Dwight and AD trailing
The Showtime Lakers didn’t win because the offense was 90% Kareem skyhooks and Byron Scott corner 3s
That was like 30% or the offense
70% of the offense was Magic taking it right to the hole and Worthy flying in from the wing |
I realize we're going to be a transition team first as Mike said, and I love the idea.
But don't you need good 3-point shooting, especially on your secondary break, to make your transition game lit in the modern era? |
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Nash Vegas
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If you play D and run you don’t need spacing and spot up shooting
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Uh didn’t we already try that in LeBron’s 1st year?
All running and playmaking with little to NO shooting?
We were so bad Magic hit the panic button and traded Zubac for Muscala then quit on the Lakers.
Yeah……No thank you.
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | | cheesehead88 wrote: |
If you play D and run you don’t need spacing and spot up shooting
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Uh didn’t we already try that in LeBron’s 1st year?
All running and playmaking with little to NO shooting?
We were so bad Magic hit the panic button and traded Zubac for Muscala then quit on the Lakers.
Yeah……No thank you. |
We actually looked pretty good imo for the little time they were all healthy especially considering we were EXTREMELY young and inexperienced outside of Bron as well and if we stayed healthy and glued a bit more I think we would have absolutely been a problem in the Playoffs but primarily between Bron and Lonzo missing so much time it just never had a real chance.
This years team is another entire level of experience and can absolutely work even better especially considering how weak much of the West will be due to major injuries to some of the better teams.
I would prefer shooting but if we're talking only a 3-5% difference and the lesser percentage player is a big upgrade in both defense and transition i'm easily going with that guy personally.
Who knows how everyone will look in new roles and most importantly will some of these nice 3 point shooting guys suddenly fall of a cliff when putting on a Lakers jersey like we've seen countless times for the last few decades?
Saying all that i'd prefer a 3 point shooting floor spacer until THT proves he has improved at least a bit but I could see success happening either way. At the end of day the only thing that truly matter is health for our big3 like just like the past few years. |
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| slavavov wrote: | | cheesehead88 wrote: |
If you play D and run you don’t need spacing and spot up shooting
Running the fast break creates space on its own
Nunn can run the left wing
Bron the right wing
Russ in the middle
Dwight and AD trailing
The Showtime Lakers didn’t win because the offense was 90% Kareem skyhooks and Byron Scott corner 3s
That was like 30% or the offense
70% of the offense was Magic taking it right to the hole and Worthy flying in from the wing |
I realize we're going to be a transition team first as Mike said, and I love the idea.
But don't you need good 3-point shooting, especially on your secondary break, to make your transition game lit in the modern era? |
Not really. That's an option but not the only option. If you have Dwight and/or AD trailing, you have secondary trailer options that would probably be more efficient. Rim runners often benefit from the D trying to scramble to match up with the ball or wings.
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Think about it, Lakers strategy this off-season was to sign shooters, notably 3-point shooters.
So logically it makes 0 sense that all these shooters the Lakers just signed will all be coming off the bench.
Being completely realistic, unless THT shows he has improved his 3-point shooting considerably in training camp and I mean considerably, he will not be starting over these other more proven vets.
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| Clark Kent wrote: | Think about it, Lakers strategy this off-season was to sign shooters, notably 3-point shooters.
So logically it makes 0 sense that all these shooters the Lakers just signed will all be coming off the bench.
Being completely realistic, unless THT shows he has improved his 3-point shooting considerably in training camp and I mean considerably, he will not be starting over these other more proven vets. |
THT will not be a regular starter this year!!! I think Ellington ability to shoot tough shots, use screens, and tire the defense with his movement will out weight anything he doesn't do on defense.
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Ellington is projected starter per Shams.
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| Lonzo-Lite wrote: | | Ellington is projected starter per Shams. |
I think it's a good move. We need a guy who can launch 5-8 3s a game to keep the paint clear for westbrook, bron and davis. |
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Based on sheer numbers, it should be Ellington's job to lose in the event he falls short on D.
In the last 5 years, Ellington has shot 38.2% on just under 6.2 att/gm.
Bazemore? 36.2 on 3.7 att/gm (last 5 years)
Nunn? 36.4% on 5.8 att/gm (2 years only)
Monk? 33.9% on 4.2 att/gm (4 years only)
Only Nunn comes close in terms of volume, but Ellington has arguably a better-established rep as a shooter, and so his gravity effect should be stronger. |
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| MIMLaker wrote: | Based on sheer numbers, it should be Ellington's job to lose in the event he falls short on D.
In the last 5 years, Ellington has shot 38.2% on just under 6.2 att/gm.
Bazemore? 36.2 on 3.7 att/gm (last 5 years)
Nunn? 36.4% on 5.8 att/gm (2 years only)
Monk? 33.9% on 4.2 att/gm (4 years only)
Only Nunn comes close in terms of volume, but Ellington has arguably a better-established rep as a shooter, and so his gravity effect should be stronger. |
Bazemore DRTG:104.6
Ellington DRTG:114.2
Neither guard is perfect next to RW. I would say Ellington written in pencil but Vogel really likes defense and is likely to switch. |
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