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leking006 Star Player
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Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 10:42 pm Post subject: Bron/AC/KCP/Wes/AD Best 5 Man Lineup |
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Bron, AC, KCP, Wes, AD!!!!!
I think this is the best 5 man lineup this team could have. 2 All Around superstars playing together with 3 shooters with elite defense.
Vogel should use this more often especially the closing minutes of the 2nd Q and 4th Q.
I can't believe that this 5 man lineup didn't even use in the regular season, just tonight.
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leking006 Star Player
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blackmamba08 Star Player
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Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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No doubt AD/LBJ/Carushow/KCP and Wes. Maybe Kuz instead of Wes for the bigger lineup. |
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RI Laker Star Player
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 1:39 am Post subject: |
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For 1 game anyways. |
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slavavov Star Player
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 1:43 am Post subject: |
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I'm sure our best lineup is bound to change from time to time.
Schroder sucked tonight, but he's bound to have a handful of really good games where he's a big reason why we win. Should we really sit him in crunch time in those games? _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers |
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miggz23 Star Player
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 1:55 am Post subject: |
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slavavov wrote: | I'm sure our best lineup is bound to change from time to time.
Schroder sucked tonight, but he's bound to have a handful of really good games where he's a big reason why we win. Should we really sit him in crunch time in those games? |
As long you have AD/Bron/AC... you can plug in any 2 other players who bringing it that night between Kuz/West/KCP/Schro... Also depending on match up.
Warriors went really small at the end there. Also Schro was having a bad game. |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 3:54 am Post subject: |
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It is going to be different 3 guys all the time, based on match ups and who is on that night. For sure, some nights it will be that lineup. Other games will have Dennis as well. It is about match ups and finding the players who have it going that particular night.
Based on history, you could argue that KCP and Caruso should usually be in the closing lineup, based on their championship history and complimentary talents around AD/Bron. |
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Kobe_Is_King13 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Against taller teams that lineup will need to be tweaked, but it's clear that few teams have an answer for AD at the 5 |
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governator Retired Number
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 5:01 am Post subject: |
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blackmamba08 wrote: | No doubt AD/LBJ/Carushow/KCP and Wes. Maybe Kuz instead of Wes for the bigger lineup. |
Or THT when he can drop 3s |
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cthroatgtr Star Player
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 5:11 am Post subject: |
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Wes will bring energy and defense. That was needed the Lakers looked lethargic. AC same. Problem is both guys can also have off shooting nights. The first half the offense almost did the team in. I was yelling for Ben Mac at one point because no one was making shots and GS just packed the paint. AD at the 5 creates problems because they have better spacing, so AD isn't playing in a phone booth. It wont them a championship last year and expect them to do a lot of AD this year too.
For the regular season you must have a big to take the pounding so AD is fresh in the playoffs. But if teams run smaller lineups, no one better than AD at the 5. |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Having AD at the 5 and LeBron playing PG is what will change the game for us.
The other 3 pieces are interchangeable. AC, KCP, Morris, Kuzma, Wes... All those guys will (or should) see a lot of play time depending on our opponent. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 6:10 am Post subject: |
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Yup. The only 2 constants will be AD/LBJ.
But I think you can pencil in AC/KCP too.
The real question is the 5th. Ordinarily, it will be Dennis (that was one of our highest net rating group of 5).
But if he's off, then it will likely be down to Wes/Kuz. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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gng930 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Yup. The only 2 constants will be AD/LBJ.
But I think you can pencil in AC/KCP too.
The real question is the 5th. Ordinarily, it will be Dennis (that was one of our highest net rating group of 5).
But if he's off, then it will likely be down to Wes/Kuz. |
Kief is seriously under-appreciated.
Depending on size of the opponent, it should boil down to one of Schro, Wes, Kief, and Marc. AC + KCP may be tricky against the Clips though. I see them closing with Rondo, PG, Kawhi, Morris, and Serge. I think we go slightly bigger with Wes at 2 alongside one of AC/KCP. _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit) |
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J.C. Smith Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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There is no best single lineup. It varies by the match up. Last game that was the most effective because Golden State is small and because AC was doing a better job at containing Steph.
Against Phoenix I think we'll see a larger dose of Gasol and Drummond. |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 7:13 am Post subject: |
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gng930 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Yup. The only 2 constants will be AD/LBJ.
But I think you can pencil in AC/KCP too.
The real question is the 5th. Ordinarily, it will be Dennis (that was one of our highest net rating group of 5).
But if he's off, then it will likely be down to Wes/Kuz. |
Kief is seriously under-appreciated.
Depending on size of the opponent, it should boil down to one of Schro, Wes, Kief, and Marc. AC + KCP may be tricky against the Clips though. I see them closing with Rondo, PG, Kawhi, Morris, and Serge. I think we go slightly bigger with Wes at 2 alongside one of AC/KCP. |
I'm not sure about Kieff's role this year. Vogel has been very all over the place with Kieff's role on this team. But yes, theoretically, he spaces the floor better so he would be a Trezz replacement in my book.
That paint is SO crowded when Trezz or AD2 play. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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lurklurk Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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LakerSD wrote: | https://twitter.com/lakerfilmroom/status/1395654290719395844?s=21
The 3 player backbone of the Lakers.
These guys are the 3 most important players. Tremendous skill and basketball IQ between them. |
I think it’s unfair to leave out kcp. I agree with some guys here, lbj-ad-ac-kcp is the core four. |
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MikeTrout Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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AC
KCP
Lebron
AD
Gasol
Kuz
Wes
I'm confident in this core of 7. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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MikeTrout wrote: | AC
KCP
Lebron
AD
Gasol
Kuz
Wes
I'm confident in this core of 7. |
It's going to be more than that. The "core" I see will be:
Dennis/AC
KCP/Wes
LBJ/Kuz
AD
AD2 is going to start. That's Vogel's MO.
I think Kieff may find a way in depending on matchups, same with Gasol. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | MikeTrout wrote: | AC
KCP
Lebron
AD
Gasol
Kuz
Wes
I'm confident in this core of 7. |
It's going to be more than that. The "core" I see will be:
Dennis/AC
KCP/Wes
LBJ/Kuz
AD
AD2 is going to start. That's Vogel's MO.
I think Kieff may find a way in depending on matchups, same with Gasol. |
Kieff probably plays against the Clippers. Doubt he sees the floor much vs Phoenix though |
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lurklurk Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | MikeTrout wrote: | AC
KCP
Lebron
AD
Gasol
Kuz
Wes
I'm confident in this core of 7. |
It's going to be more than that. The "core" I see will be:
Dennis/AC
KCP/Wes
LBJ/Kuz
AD
AD2 is going to start. That's Vogel's MO.
I think Kieff may find a way in depending on matchups, same with Gasol. |
Agree with this one. But dont be surprised if we see a lot more of trez than we’d like. |
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leking006 Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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MikeTrout wrote: | AC
KCP
Lebron
AD
Gasol
Kuz
Wes
I'm confident in this core of 7. |
I'm not confident about kuz though. So inconsistent and Low IQ, the rest of the list are high IQ players. |
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hydrohead Star Player
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Agree with most here but wouldn’t sleep in Schro and Drum just yet. Schro is getting back to form from his time away and GSW was a bad matchup for Drum. _________________ Darvin |
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lurklurk Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 6:13 am Post subject: |
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hydrohead wrote: | Agree with most here but wouldn’t sleep in Schro and Drum just yet. Schro is getting back to form from his time away and GSW was a bad matchup for Drum. |
Im expecting drum to get the better of ayton in their matchup. Concerned with his foul trouble tho, i can see both cp3 and book taking advantage. |
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 6:16 am Post subject: |
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lurklurk wrote: | hydrohead wrote: | Agree with most here but wouldn’t sleep in Schro and Drum just yet. Schro is getting back to form from his time away and GSW was a bad matchup for Drum. |
Im expecting drum to get the better of ayton in their matchup. Concerned with his foul trouble tho, i can see both cp3 and book taking advantage. |
You can almost guarantee two quick fouls in the first quarter for Drummond in either game 1 or 2 for sure. The real quesiton is does Vogel go with Trezz or Marc once that happens. If he goes with Marc, then we have to trust his decision making process is 100% rooted into team defense first. |
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