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cannga11
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IMHO, the Nets are formidable opponents. They have roster spots open, plus buyout market, etc. At this point betting odd of them winning NBA title is right up there with us.
The lineup we see today is obviously not the one we will see in June or whenever. Easier to fill in with defensive or any specific type of specialist on the cheap. (Easier, not easy.)
They remind me of Portland or Kings in the Shaq/Kobe era - potent opponents. All I could hope for is Irving continuing to be "weird,"  and Harden continuing to be impossible to be paired with another superstar.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Also, which of Kyrie/KD/Harden will be the ceremonial 3rd option? That player always gets shafted, and how will they react to it? Bosh/Love took it to the chin as guys who were primary options before. But Kyrie/Harden? Good luck Coach Nash.  |
Should be Kyrie. Not saying KD will be third option but I think he will end up sacrificing more than he should for that team to be at their best. |
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OP, could you change the title of your thread to:
"Can BKN Compete with the Lakers?"
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| cannga11 wrote: | IMHO, the Nets are formidable opponents. They have roster spots open, plus buyout market, etc. At this point betting odd of them winning NBA title is right up there with us.
The lineup we see today is obviously not the one we will see in June or whenever. Easier to fill in with defensive or any specific type of specialist on the cheap. (Easier, not easy.)
They remind me of Portland or Kings in the Shaq/Kobe era - potent opponents. All I could hope for is Irving continuing to be "weird," and Harden continuing to be impossible to be paired with another superstar. |
Yep, Brooklyn would not have taken this risk without having options to fill their defensive holes. |
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Looking back at past champions, you find great defense and some offense. Or you see some defense with great offense. In some cases, maybe both. Under no circumstances will a guard combo of Harden + ??? constitute great/good/acceptable defense. As they say on Shark Tank, for that reason, I'm out.
p.s. They also no longer have Jarrett Allen clogging the paint. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Also, which of Kyrie/KD/Harden will be the ceremonial 3rd option? That player always gets shafted, and how will they react to it? Bosh/Love took it to the chin as guys who were primary options before. But Kyrie/Harden? Good luck Coach Nash. |
We all know it should be Kyrie but we all also know he thinks he Kobe so the most realistic is the best out of the 3, KD, prob the one willing to take a back seat... hope this and their lack of elite defense as u mentioned (and bench) would be their Achilles heel but their fire power option is GS level |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Also, which of Kyrie/KD/Harden will be the ceremonial 3rd option? That player always gets shafted, and how will they react to it? Bosh/Love took it to the chin as guys who were primary options before. But Kyrie/Harden? Good luck Coach Nash. |
This.
Kobe and Shaq both fought tooth and nail over who would be the #1 option on the Lakers; this fighting probably cost the Lakers a couple of championships. The Kyrie/KD/Harden triumvirate will be a disaster and will make the Shaq and Kobe feud look positively friendly. Harden is so egocentric that he can't make it to film sessions on time; he insists that the team stays overnight in the cities where he wants them to be. This drove Westbrook crazy (link). Imagine Irving and Durant waiting to start a film session since Harden is late. Still better, try to imagine Harden waiting around as Irving and Durant decide that it should be them getting to meetings late and making Harden wait. |
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| cannga11 wrote: | IMHO, the Nets are formidable opponents. They have roster spots open, plus buyout market, etc. At this point betting odd of them winning NBA title is right up there with us.
The lineup we see today is obviously not the one we will see in June or whenever. Easier to fill in with defensive or any specific type of specialist on the cheap. (Easier, not easy.)
They remind me of Portland or Kings in the Shaq/Kobe era - potent opponents. All I could hope for is Irving continuing to be "weird," and Harden continuing to be impossible to be paired with another superstar. |
You make a good point at the beginning. However, buyout targets end up not being that impactful in recent history. Markief was the notable exception. I think its more likely that they move Dinwiddie, Shamet and 2nds to plug holes.
But yes, based on history alone, they cannot be taken lightly. This is why you don't stay pat. For the sake of argument, say everything goes right for them this year (offense meshes and is a historic and can play solid defense), we still have more than a puncher's chance. |
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everytime a super team is created, people say it wont work, not enough balls to go around And it always works, especially when the 3 are top 10 players.
the issue is if no injuries, will it work this season or take time.
Yall forgot the cp3, harden rockets almost beat the durant, warriors team in 2018 and took them to 6 in 2019
in playoffs rosters are shortened
they have wing defenders in durant, TLC, Green
the have a sniper in Joe Harris
they will likely play small, which is where the league is. if they need bigs, BIGs are cheap and can get bought out and join them before season end/playoff time. Players like Mcgee, Howard, Robin Lopez, Noel, Whiteside, Okafor, Baynes, Dedmon could be available.
Also bench depth could come cheap after the midseason break and available players
our advantage is having good one on one defenders in James, Caruso, Wes, Schroeder.
The question is can our defense overcome their offense. And will our offense keep up?
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| BlackStarMamba wrote: | everytime a super team is created, people say it wont work, not enough balls to go around And it always works, especially when the 3 are top 10 players.
the issue is if no injuries, will it work this season or take time.
Yall forgot the cp3, harden rockets almost beat the durant, warriors team in 2018 and took them to 6 in 2019
in playoffs rosters are shortened
they have wing defenders in durant, TLC, Green
the have a sniper in Joe Harris
they will likely play small, which is where the league is. if they need bigs, BIGs are cheap and can get bought out and join them before season end/playoff time. Players like Mcgee, Howard, Robin Lopez, Noel, Whiteside, Okafor, Baynes, Dedmon could be available.
Also bench depth could come cheap after the midseason break and available players
our advantage is having good one on one defenders in James, Caruso, Wes, Schroeder.
The question is can our defense overcome their offense. And will our offense keep up? |
their interior defense is legit bad |
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| BlackStarMamba wrote: | everytime a super team is created, people say it wont work, not enough balls to go around And it always works, especially when the 3 are top 10 players.
the issue is if no injuries, will it work this season or take time.
Yall forgot the cp3, harden rockets almost beat the durant, warriors team in 2018 and took them to 6 in 2019
in playoffs rosters are shortened
they have wing defenders in durant, TLC, Green
the have a sniper in Joe Harris
they will likely play small, which is where the league is. if they need bigs, BIGs are cheap and can get bought out and join them before season end/playoff time. Players like Mcgee, Howard, Robin Lopez, Noel, Whiteside, Okafor, Baynes, Dedmon could be available.
Also bench depth could come cheap after the midseason break and available players
our advantage is having good one on one defenders in James, Caruso, Wes, Schroeder.
The question is can our defense overcome their offense. And will our offense keep up? |
I think if you stretch the big threes to top 15 (where I think Kyrie is at) the success rate is very high throughout history. If they don't work they would be the most talented team on paper ever to not win. That's why I think they get one within the next three years. But they have serious issues this season.
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Question should be whether the Nets can stop THT.
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Let’s assume Harden is ready to sacrifice, the key becomes the state of Kyrie Irving. Is he prepared? Is he going to drift?
If Irving is on board, it has a high chance of working out.
But it might take time...just like the Heatles. It’s not always that first season, but maybe by next season they actually do win the chip.
But imo Kyrie is a huge, huge wildcard. He is very unpredictable. We also know if things start going wrong, Harden doesn’t exactly have the best track record. |
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I think Nets have a few more moves to make. Dinwiddie is hurt and an upcoming FA so not sure what you can get for him. Maybe Harris out for some more defense?
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | I think Nets have a few more moves to make. Dinwiddie is hurt and an upcoming FA so not sure what you can get for him. Maybe Harris out for some more defense? |
Yup, everyone else on their roster is fair game |
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Most likely they win at least one title together. They are basically a remix on the GSW. I still think Lakers win this year but it's damn close and I wouldn't be surprised if we lose in the finals.
Btw the title on this tread should be change to something less insulting to the reigning defending 17x nba champion Lakers |
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The Nets will be very good, and they will have enough talent to beat the Lakers. Thinking anything less is fooling oneself, I think.
Will or should they be favored over the Lakers? Nah, probably not yet. But if they come out hot and are scoring a nonsense amount of points, that will change -- even if their defense is garbage.
I do think Kyrie is supremely overrated though, so maybe it's only a "Big Two and a Half" |
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| BlackStarMamba wrote: | everytime a super team is created, people say it wont work, not enough balls to go around And it always works, especially when the 3 are top 10 players.
the issue is if no injuries, will it work this season or take time.
Yall forgot the cp3, harden rockets almost beat the durant, warriors team in 2018 and took them to 6 in 2019
in playoffs rosters are shortened
they have wing defenders in durant, TLC, Green
the have a sniper in Joe Harris
they will likely play small, which is where the league is. if they need bigs, BIGs are cheap and can get bought out and join them before season end/playoff time. Players like Mcgee, Howard, Robin Lopez, Noel, Whiteside, Okafor, Baynes, Dedmon could be available.
Also bench depth could come cheap after the midseason break and available players
our advantage is having good one on one defenders in James, Caruso, Wes, Schroeder.
The question is can our defense overcome their offense. And will our offense keep up? |
At the moment they have, not only no defense in general, but also zero rim protection. They might be able to purchase someone on the buyout market but they haven't at the moment, and rim protectors aren't that plentiful. Whiteside? LOL okay, do it Brooklyn.
So because they have no rim protection they will have plenty of trouble stopping Lebron and AD, which means our team is going to feast on the inside, and on the outside.
Coupled with our fantastic defensive guard rotation and that we can slot AD on KD and we're looking pretty good against Brooklyn.
Remember our weakness has been teams with great offensive wing players and wing defenders, Brooklyn is guard heavy with no center.
I'll take us over Brooklyn in the Finals no problem. It's like we were built specifically to beat teams like Brooklyn. |
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I know the Lakers front office is superb, but I doubt the Nets are dummies to be honest. Since they are willing to pull the trigger on Harden, I'm sure they know what they have to do to round out the roster. Who knows they may already have some back channel stuff going on already.
With actual motivation now that they have a legit chance at the chip, we won't know what to expect from Harden and Kyrie and what they are willing to do to go over the hump. I feel they are a huge threat for that reason. And it's incredibly dangerous with their best player also being the one who's most willing to do whats best for the team.
Unless their three stars implode, which I'm banking on, Brooklyn is crazy dangerous. |
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| Kobetan wrote: | I know the Lakers front office is superb, but I doubt the Nets are dummies to be honest. Since they are willing to pull the trigger on Harden, I'm sure they know what they have to do to round out the roster. Who knows they may already have some back channel stuff going on already.
With actual motivation now that they have a legit chance at the chip, we won't know what to expect from Harden and Kyrie and what they are willing to do to go over the hump. I feel they are a huge threat for that reason. And it's incredibly dangerous with their best player also being the one who's most willing to do whats best for the team.
Unless their three stars implode, which I'm banking on, Brooklyn is crazy dangerous. |
It doesn't matter if they know about their roster limitations or not, it's about what they can do about it so late into the season. There's very little teams can traditionally do about things once the season has started, we were very lucky to pick up Kief last year, that sort of stuff is unusual. |
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| On a side note, did you guys catch Giannis' reaction to the Harden trade? He clearly was shook, big time lol |
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| Kobetan wrote: | | On a side note, did you guys catch Giannis' reaction to the Harden trade? He clearly was shook, big time lol |
haha yeah
but hey he has 200+ million to make him feel better
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| Kobetan wrote: | | On a side note, did you guys catch Giannis' reaction to the Harden trade? He clearly was shook, big time lol |
Really? If I were Giannis I'd be salivating. Like, there's nobody there to stop him from waltzing all the way into the rim and getting whatever he wants.
Same with Simmons and Embiid.
THAT'S the big question. Who on the Nets stops Embiid? |
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| LakerSD wrote: | Let’s assume Harden is ready to sacrifice, the key becomes the state of Kyrie Irving. Is he prepared? Is he going to drift?
If Irving is on board, it has a high chance of working out.
But it might take time...just like the Heatles. It’s not always that first season, but maybe by next season they actually do win the chip.
But imo Kyrie is a huge, huge wildcard. He is very unpredictable. We also know if things start going wrong, Harden doesn’t exactly have the best track record. |
What would that entail though? Throughout his career he's been one of THE WORSE off ball players in the league. That's not even hyperbole, dude can't even be bothered to cross half court at times.
This is the same ish I saw last off season when I was absolutely BAFFLED why the majority (yes that includes on LG) were convinced that PG/Kawhi was a better combo than AD/Lebron.
The thing about the Heatles was that they broke through in season 3 with Bosh making HUGE sacrifices to his game and Wade taking a step back to allow Lebron to take the mantle. So Harden makes that sacrifice and he's basically worthless off ball. Then we have Kyrie. Dude left a championship team precisely because in his warped flat earth mind, he was too good of a player to play second fiddle. There he went to Boston and then Brooklyn, both teams that have had better records when he was off on one of his many nagging injuries. Seriously though, is he made of glass or is he just soft? Finally we come to Durant. He's the one that should make the LEAST sacrifice but I have a feeling with his beta personality, he's the one that's going to make the most.
I can't wait for the first signs of adversity to hit that team. Jesus, is there a more weak minded trio of stars ever? And they're on the same team? Soft.
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | Let’s assume Harden is ready to sacrifice, the key becomes the state of Kyrie Irving. Is he prepared? Is he going to drift?
If Irving is on board, it has a high chance of working out.
But it might take time...just like the Heatles. It’s not always that first season, but maybe by next season they actually do win the chip.
But imo Kyrie is a huge, huge wildcard. He is very unpredictable. We also know if things start going wrong, Harden doesn’t exactly have the best track record. |
What would that entail though? Throughout his career he's been one of THE WORSE off ball players in the league. That's not even hyperbole, dude can't even be bothered to cross half court at times.
This is the same ish I saw last off season when I was absolutely BAFFLED why the majority (yes that includes on LG) were convinced that PG/Kawhi was a better combo than AD/Lebron.
The thing about the Heatles was that they broke through in season 3 with Bosh making HUGE sacrifices to his game and Wade taking a step back to allow Lebron to take the mantle. So Harden makes that sacrifice and he's basically worthless off ball. Then we have Kyrie. Dude left a championship team precisely because in his warped flat earth mind, he was too good of a player to play second fiddle. There he went to Boston and then Brooklyn, both teams that have had better records when he was off on one of his many nagging injuries. Seriously though, is he made of glass or is he just soft? Finally we come to Durant. He's the one that should make the LEAST sacrifice but I have a feeling with his beta personality, he's the one that's going to make the most.
I can't wait for the first signs of adversity to hit that team. Jesus, is there a more weak minded trio of stars ever? And they're on the same team? Soft. |
It's Kyrie who will have to sacrifice. Harden will be the biggest on ball handler, KD will be the biggest off ball option, Kyrie will have to scrap.
Will Kyrie handle that? Maybe. Maaaaaaaaybe.
Also Kyrie's going to be targeted on defense like crazy. Like Harden doesn't play defense but he CAN play defense when he wants to, like Lebron. Kyrie can't play defense, and he's SMALL.
So here's the thing. We have Kyrie who will probably be the LAST option offense presenting a huge liability on the floor on defense. I wonder if the Nets would jetison him if they could ... |
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