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Halflife
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| lakersfan32 wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Remember, Rob was very high on this guy. |
so was lebron, supposedly |
Kobe thought he was brave |
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LakerDynasty6.0
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| BlueNGold wrote: | | LakerDynasty6.0 wrote: | | Dennis has lost all confidence in himself and the team. From lazy passes to passing without a purpose to shooting without purpose. |
Maybe he’ll realize that he isn’t worth even close to what he’s wanting. |
True but we'd rather he price himself down after we win the ship! 
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LakerDynasty6.0
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerDynasty6.0 wrote: | | Dennis has lost all confidence in himself and the team. From lazy passes to passing without a purpose to shooting without purpose. |
It doesn’t help that he was jawing up with AD and Dudley during the Raptors game, I have seen Laker players and knew they wanna succeed as a Laker I don’t see that with Dennis. |
There's definitely an issue of "mentality". Dennis appears rather precocious (in the mould of Kyrie, KD, and DeAndre). I suspect he's higher-maintenance than Vogel is accustomed to...
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Lonzo-Lite
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Jordan-esque wrote: | DS is not a real playmaker, stop asking him to be a playmaker
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He’s better off as a spark plug scorer off the bench.
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Lonzo-Lite wrote: | | Jordan-esque wrote: | DS is not a real playmaker, stop asking him to be a playmaker
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He’s better off as a spark plug scorer off the bench. |
His turnovers are absolutely driving me nuts. 14 assists. Awesome. 7 turnovers. Geez. But if he’s on the bench (and no LBJ) who is playing PG? 🤷 AC and THT not the answer either.
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george w kush
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Some of you guys need to relax. He’s struggling because he’s not a #1 or #2 guy. Once Lebron and AD come back he will be fine. |
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roger_federer
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakerz113 wrote: | | Reggie Jackson looks better than him and that’s a guy nobody wanted on this team. |
He is definitely shooting better |
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socalsp3
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Glad he didn't sign the extension |
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dcarter4kobe
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| roger_federer wrote: | | Lakerz113 wrote: | | Reggie Jackson looks better than him and that’s a guy nobody wanted on this team. |
He is definitely shooting better |
Interesting comparison. Was a Jackson fan when he was with OKC/Detroit. Injuries seemed to have gotten the best of him. He was never the best decision maker either though.
Easier to live with average decision making when your PG is making the vet min instead of asking for 20M
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roger_federer
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | roger_federer wrote: | | Lakerz113 wrote: | | Reggie Jackson looks better than him and that’s a guy nobody wanted on this team. |
He is definitely shooting better |
Interesting comparison. Was a Jackson fan when he was with OKC/Detroit. Injuries seemed to have gotten the best of him. He was never the best decision maker either though.
Easier to live with average decision making when your PG is making the vet min instead of asking for 20M |
Reggie and Batum playing very well for them. They replaced Trez with Ibaka and Lou with Rondo. Added shooters.
and we built Statue to Rob who created more holes. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| DS said his knee has been bothering him that could be the reason for the flurry of turnovers but that doesn’t change the fact that he was doing the same thing before he had knee issues. |
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PenG_
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Then Rondo had to go and rub salt in the wound last night against the Suns.
15pts on 5-8 FG 3-4 from three
9 assists on ZERO turnovers
+24 against the Suns |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| He's not a starting point guard, he's more of a bench player, so I expect performances like this. The only problem I would have is if we over pay him, when he isn't worth over 21 mill a year, the number we were gonna extend him with for 4 years. I would drop him and go with THT. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| Halflife wrote: | | lakersfan32 wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Remember, Rob was very high on this guy. |
so was lebron, supposedly |
Kobe thought he was brave |
Kobe's last wish wouldn't be for Lakers to sign Dennis Schroder. |
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lurklurk
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| roger_federer wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | roger_federer wrote: | | Lakerz113 wrote: | | Reggie Jackson looks better than him and that’s a guy nobody wanted on this team. |
He is definitely shooting better |
Interesting comparison. Was a Jackson fan when he was with OKC/Detroit. Injuries seemed to have gotten the best of him. He was never the best decision maker either though.
Easier to live with average decision making when your PG is making the vet min instead of asking for 20M |
Reggie and Batum playing very well for them. They replaced Trez with Ibaka and Lou with Rondo. Added shooters.
and we built Statue to Rob who created more holes. |
Miles better than what we had with kupchak. At least we have ball handlers in this squad. We had a 2 year stretch back in kobe’s prime where we had ZERO point guards besides smush. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:07 am Post subject: |
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So what's the deal? If Schroeder walks, we can not spend that $21M on another player because of the cap, correct? But we can with Dennis because we have his bird rights?
Then it sounds like Dennis is holding Rob hostage just to be an ass. Screw him then. Let him walk. I doubt his teammates appreciate sopranos level mind games.
With how he's exposing weakness in his game and his crappy attitude, he ain't getting $21M from anyone else either.
But yeah, ideally $21M (which is still too much) or trade him in the summer for something salvageable. |
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cthroatgtr
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| Dennis is what we thought he was. At this point in his career he is a shoot first PG, more comfortable from 2 than 3. As a primary facilitator, he is below average. He brings to the team someone that can get his own shot, which as we know on this team is LBJ, THT and DS. There is a reason Atlanta gave up on him and OKC brought him off the bench. In the off season some below average team may over pay for him, as there are teams that still don't get it. Right now he is a valuable piece when the roster is whole. At this point in LBJs career, each year maybe his last so each acquisition is only about the current year. |
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laker50
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:01 am Post subject: |
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DS has yet to show what he can do to play on a winner.
Chris Paul made the difference with the Suns. Put DS there and they still
would be near the bottom not the top.
Rondo has a positive effect on a team.
He is valuable but probably not as valuable as he thinks.
He has to show he can work with a winning team. |
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Dennis would be foolish to not take the reported extension. I can’t fault anyone for trying to get the most $ they can but the Lakers probably offered him the most any team will give him. I think he will play better off of LBJ/AD once they come back after playing without them for all these games. We knew he’s not a #1/2 option ergo he’s not getting paid anywhere near what those guys make.
I feel he’s overplaying the leverage game on Rob.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Dennis would be foolish to not take the reported extension. I can’t fault anyone for trying to get the most $ they can but the Lakers probably offered him the most any team will give him. I think he will play better off of LBJ/AD once they come back after playing without them for all these games. We knew he’s not a #1/2 option ergo he’s not getting paid anywhere near what those guys make.
I feel he’s overplaying the leverage game on Rob. |
what is his Role when AD and LBJ come back? |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| roger_federer wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Dennis would be foolish to not take the reported extension. I can’t fault anyone for trying to get the most $ they can but the Lakers probably offered him the most any team will give him. I think he will play better off of LBJ/AD once they come back after playing without them for all these games. We knew he’s not a #1/2 option ergo he’s not getting paid anywhere near what those guys make.
I feel he’s overplaying the leverage game on Rob. |
what is his Role when AD and LBJ come back? |
Like I said, he's a 6th man spark plug off the bench. He should have never been the starter. He forced his way into that position. When bron get's back we are better suited with a KCP/WES backcourt. Or possibly start THT or Caruso. |
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PenG_
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| Dennis got screwed by injuries to our stars. He's a tiny guard who needs spacing to score. People are being a bit harsh |
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oaktown_dimond
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:55 am Post subject: |
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it's his "i'm an all-star, pay me" attitude that's pissing people off more than his actual play. he's not even an all-star.
| PenG_ wrote: | | Dennis got screwed by injuries to our stars. He's a tiny guard who needs spacing to score. People are being a bit harsh |
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Cyberfreak444
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Dennis would be foolish to not take the reported extension. I can’t fault anyone for trying to get the most $ they can but the Lakers probably offered him the most any team will give him. I think he will play better off of LBJ/AD once they come back after playing without them for all these games. We knew he’s not a #1/2 option ergo he’s not getting paid anywhere near what those guys make.
I feel he’s overplaying the leverage game on Rob. |
I disagree for a couple reasons. Worse comes to worse, he could get the exact same offer this summer from the Lakers. So he had no incentive to sign before the trade deadline. But by not signing, he has the option of potentially getting more. Apart from Kyle Lowry, he and Lonzo Ball are by far the best point guards available this summer. Dennis is also just 27 years old too; barring injury he will likely produce at this level throughout his next contract. And there are a lot of teams with cap space that could theoretically want him especially given that so many big time free agents at all positions have already signed long term deals. The Knicks and Bulls, for instance, have money to burn and gaping holes at the point guard position. So there’s at least a credible threat that someone might be willing to pay him more than what the Lakers offered. Jrue Holiday’s massive deal (though some of it is incentive based) also sets the market for what a point guard can make right now even though Holiday is clearly a better player than Schroder. But the biggest reason that he could earn more from the Lakers is that the Lakers have no way to replace him. If he walks, the Lakers will only have their taxpayer midlevel exception to try and sign a guard, which realistically won’t even be enough to add a starting caliber player. The Lakers just can’t afford to lose an asset like Schroder for nothing when they are trying to win now and the rest of the league is absolutely loading up. They would be better off paying him - even at well above his market rate - just to have a talented player like him on the roster. That way even if they ultimately decide to move on from him, the Lakers could use his salary as part of a trade or even a sign and trade (if they are willing to hard cap themselves) for a player that fits the Lakers’ plans better moving forward. |
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