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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: | I don't see us too much worried about the tax seeing we haven't paid it in what? 6 or 7 years?
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It's active avoidance. I'm not so sure they make an exception just because they won the championship. |
History says they will pay the tax for a championship team
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: | I don't see us too much worried about the tax seeing we haven't paid it in what? 6 or 7 years?
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It's active avoidance. I'm not so sure they make an exception just because they won the championship. |
The Lakers have stated that they would pay the tax (The Mitch days) if they were competing for championships again. Now with Covid and massive revenue loss, I’m sure that they don’t intend to pay the luxury tax for the next season either. Unfortunately, we are in bed with Klutch, and Rich Paul is very good at what he does. We will have to overpay to keep KCP. At least 1 year/15m. And we will have to pay it, unless we want to see an unhappy Cleveland Lebron.
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They have never lost $53 mil before. That is almost $6 mil per Buss kid. They are going to pay luxury tax on losing another $25-30 mil? I don’t think that you have a good grasp on the owner finances.
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Mike@LG
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: | I don't see us too much worried about the tax seeing we haven't paid it in what? 6 or 7 years?
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It's active avoidance. I'm not so sure they make an exception just because they won the championship. |
History says they will pay the tax for a championship team |
History hasn't dealt with a historic $15+billion drop in NBA revenue.
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-nba-came-in-15-billion-under-revenue-projections-in-2020-135356538.html
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Time will tell.
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: | I don't see us too much worried about the tax seeing we haven't paid it in what? 6 or 7 years?
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It's active avoidance. I'm not so sure they make an exception just because they won the championship. |
History says they will pay the tax for a championship team |
True. They won't pay the repeater tax, but they'll pay a year or two of luxury taxes.
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Mike@LG
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Time will tell. |
I don't understand the comparison to history when every sport hasn't dealt with a contagious virus to this magnitude.
If you're getting capacity crowds as expected, then I would believe it.
When do you think the Lakers will actually have capacity fans in Staples?
I'm guessing 2 years, earliest. How much revenue lost there?
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dcarter4kobe
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To avoid the lux tax, the Lakers would have to let KCP walk, not use the full MLE or BAE. Is that realistic when you have the greatest player in this era with a window of maybe 2 more years?
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Some type of relief will likely be agreed upon to or you will have 2/3rd of the NBA sitting on their hands during free agency
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| So do we know yet how the cap will work? It seems like all this leak of major losses ($1.5B!) are a negotiating ploy. How much will go in the escrow account, I wonder. |
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| 2019 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | Noel/Dwight/Boogie
AD/Kuz/Dudley
LeBron/Harkless/Korver
KCP/Waiters/THT
CP3/Caruso/2nd round draft pick
Top heavy with LeBron/AD/CP3 combined with strong depth 4-13 (KCP, Kuz, Dwight, Caruso, Harkless, Noel, Waiters, THT, Boogie, Korver) |
Kind of a dream lineup but what's the trade? Green, Cook, McGee, Bradley, 28th?
Add Wes Matthews with minimum instead of Korver and I like it that team repeating a lot. If Boogie can be the GS version and sort of be a 6th man while Dwight starts, unstoppable. |
This scenario we hold on to Kuz? I don't see why OKC would take that deal without Kuz.
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| Lonzo-Lite wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | Noel/Dwight/Boogie
AD/Kuz/Dudley
LeBron/Harkless/Korver
KCP/Waiters/THT
CP3/Caruso/2nd round draft pick
Top heavy with LeBron/AD/CP3 combined with strong depth 4-13 (KCP, Kuz, Dwight, Caruso, Harkless, Noel, Waiters, THT, Boogie, Korver) |
Kind of a dream lineup but what's the trade? Green, Cook, McGee, Bradley, 28th?
Add Wes Matthews with minimum instead of Korver and I like it that team repeating a lot. If Boogie can be the GS version and sort of be a 6th man while Dwight starts, unstoppable. |
This scenario we hold on to Kuz? I don't see why OKC would take that deal without Kuz. |
because they dont want to pay him next summer.
also that trade doesnt work: 15.3+3+4.2+5+2(28th pick) = 295m outgoing |
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dcarter4kobe
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| Lonzo-Lite wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | Noel/Dwight/Boogie
AD/Kuz/Dudley
LeBron/Harkless/Korver
KCP/Waiters/THT
CP3/Caruso/2nd round draft pick
Top heavy with LeBron/AD/CP3 combined with strong depth 4-13 (KCP, Kuz, Dwight, Caruso, Harkless, Noel, Waiters, THT, Boogie, Korver) |
Kind of a dream lineup but what's the trade? Green, Cook, McGee, Bradley, 28th?
Add Wes Matthews with minimum instead of Korver and I like it that team repeating a lot. If Boogie can be the GS version and sort of be a 6th man while Dwight starts, unstoppable. |
This scenario we hold on to Kuz? I don't see why OKC would take that deal without Kuz. |
Me personally I’m for trading for CP3, but only if we can keep Kuzma. There won’t be a long line of teams lining up to to pay 85M for an aging pg & give up assets
A package would have to include Rondo on a bloated 1y10M sign and trade in order to keep Kuz. Only first year guaranteed. Along with McGee/AB/Cook (pre arranged buy outs) & DG/28th pick. OKC would save over 55M & pick up another 1st. Lakers would end up 15-20M in the luxury tax
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Jesusdelonla
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Lonzo-Lite wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | Noel/Dwight/Boogie
AD/Kuz/Dudley
LeBron/Harkless/Korver
KCP/Waiters/THT
CP3/Caruso/2nd round draft pick
Top heavy with LeBron/AD/CP3 combined with strong depth 4-13 (KCP, Kuz, Dwight, Caruso, Harkless, Noel, Waiters, THT, Boogie, Korver) |
Kind of a dream lineup but what's the trade? Green, Cook, McGee, Bradley, 28th?
Add Wes Matthews with minimum instead of Korver and I like it that team repeating a lot. If Boogie can be the GS version and sort of be a 6th man while Dwight starts, unstoppable. |
This scenario we hold on to Kuz? I don't see why OKC would take that deal without Kuz. |
Me personally I’m for trading for CP3, but only if we can keep Kuzma. There won’t be a long line of teams lining up to to pay 85M for an aging pg & give up assets
A package would have to include Rondo on a bloated 1y10M sign and trade in order to keep Kuz. Only first year guaranteed. Along with McGee/AB/Cook (pre arranged buy outs) & DG/28th pick. OKC would save over 55M & pick up another 1st. Lakers would end up 15-20M in the luxury tax |
2019 said you cant combine S&T with other players and then make a trade |
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| Chick's Magic Johnson wrote: | | So do we know yet how the cap will work? It seems like all this leak of major losses ($1.5B!) are a negotiating ploy. How much will go in the escrow account, I wonder. |
40% of player salaries
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dcarter4kobe
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Lonzo-Lite wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | Noel/Dwight/Boogie
AD/Kuz/Dudley
LeBron/Harkless/Korver
KCP/Waiters/THT
CP3/Caruso/2nd round draft pick
Top heavy with LeBron/AD/CP3 combined with strong depth 4-13 (KCP, Kuz, Dwight, Caruso, Harkless, Noel, Waiters, THT, Boogie, Korver) |
Kind of a dream lineup but what's the trade? Green, Cook, McGee, Bradley, 28th?
Add Wes Matthews with minimum instead of Korver and I like it that team repeating a lot. If Boogie can be the GS version and sort of be a 6th man while Dwight starts, unstoppable. |
This scenario we hold on to Kuz? I don't see why OKC would take that deal without Kuz. |
Me personally I’m for trading for CP3, but only if we can keep Kuzma. There won’t be a long line of teams lining up to to pay 85M for an aging pg & give up assets
A package would have to include Rondo on a bloated 1y10M sign and trade in order to keep Kuz. Only first year guaranteed. Along with McGee/AB/Cook (pre arranged buy outs) & DG/28th pick. OKC would save over 55M & pick up another 1st. Lakers would end up 15-20M in the luxury tax |
2019 said you cant combine S&T with other players and then make a trade |
I don’t believe that’s accurate
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Lonzo-Lite wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | Noel/Dwight/Boogie
AD/Kuz/Dudley
LeBron/Harkless/Korver
KCP/Waiters/THT
CP3/Caruso/2nd round draft pick
Top heavy with LeBron/AD/CP3 combined with strong depth 4-13 (KCP, Kuz, Dwight, Caruso, Harkless, Noel, Waiters, THT, Boogie, Korver) |
Kind of a dream lineup but what's the trade? Green, Cook, McGee, Bradley, 28th?
Add Wes Matthews with minimum instead of Korver and I like it that team repeating a lot. If Boogie can be the GS version and sort of be a 6th man while Dwight starts, unstoppable. |
This scenario we hold on to Kuz? I don't see why OKC would take that deal without Kuz. |
Me personally I’m for trading for CP3, but only if we can keep Kuzma. There won’t be a long line of teams lining up to to pay 85M for an aging pg & give up assets
A package would have to include Rondo on a bloated 1y10M sign and trade in order to keep Kuz. Only first year guaranteed. Along with McGee/AB/Cook (pre arranged buy outs) & DG/28th pick. OKC would save over 55M & pick up another 1st. Lakers would end up 15-20M in the luxury tax |
2019 said you cant combine S&T with other players and then make a trade |
And a S&T contract has to be for at least 3 years. So Rondo would have to get a 3 year contract.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Lonzo-Lite wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | Noel/Dwight/Boogie
AD/Kuz/Dudley
LeBron/Harkless/Korver
KCP/Waiters/THT
CP3/Caruso/2nd round draft pick
Top heavy with LeBron/AD/CP3 combined with strong depth 4-13 (KCP, Kuz, Dwight, Caruso, Harkless, Noel, Waiters, THT, Boogie, Korver) |
Kind of a dream lineup but what's the trade? Green, Cook, McGee, Bradley, 28th?
Add Wes Matthews with minimum instead of Korver and I like it that team repeating a lot. If Boogie can be the GS version and sort of be a 6th man while Dwight starts, unstoppable. |
This scenario we hold on to Kuz? I don't see why OKC would take that deal without Kuz. |
Me personally I’m for trading for CP3, but only if we can keep Kuzma. There won’t be a long line of teams lining up to to pay 85M for an aging pg & give up assets
A package would have to include Rondo on a bloated 1y10M sign and trade in order to keep Kuz. Only first year guaranteed. Along with McGee/AB/Cook (pre arranged buy outs) & DG/28th pick. OKC would save over 55M & pick up another 1st. Lakers would end up 15-20M in the luxury tax |
2019 said you cant combine S&T with other players and then make a trade |
And a S&T contract has to be for at least 3 years. So Rondo would have to get a 3 year contract. |
You can combine sign & trade players & only the first year has to be guaranteed as stated
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | To avoid the lux tax, the Lakers would have to let KCP walk, not use the full MLE or BAE. Is that realistic when you have the greatest player in this era with a window of maybe 2 more years? |
My point was that we could probably just kiss the MLE and BAE goodbye.
Yes, it is realistic. We shorted Brian Shaw in the middle of a championship run too.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | To avoid the lux tax, the Lakers would have to let KCP walk, not use the full MLE or BAE. Is that realistic when you have the greatest player in this era with a window of maybe 2 more years? |
My point was that we could probably just kiss the MLE and BAE goodbye.
Yes, it is realistic. We shorted Brian Shaw in the middle of a championship run too. |
I agree, we have to let go of some salary. The Buss kids don’t have the deep pockets to lose millions because of COVID and China then pay luxury tax on top of it. The Shaw example you referenced was in a season where the team made millions in profits. We can hope that the league smooths out the losses and keep the cap flat. Even amnesty won’t help the team.
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Only difference here is LBJ/AD are Klutch. If Lakers penny pinch, AD can threaten to bounce. The Klutch factor may keep the Buss kids from cheapening out. I like the pressure that Klutch puts on this team's FO.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Only difference here is LBJ/AD are Klutch. If Lakers penny pinch, AD can threaten to bounce. The Klutch factor may keep the Buss kids from cheapening out. I like the pressure that Klutch puts on this team's FO. |
Imagine if Kobe had an agent like Rich Paul from 2005 going forward? No Smush, no Cook, no Mihm... |
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| Texas_Pete wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Only difference here is LBJ/AD are Klutch. If Lakers penny pinch, AD can threaten to bounce. The Klutch factor may keep the Buss kids from cheapening out. I like the pressure that Klutch puts on this team's FO. |
Imagine if Kobe had an agent like Rich Paul from 2005 going forward? No Smush, no Cook, no Mihm... |
Well, it's a little complicated for sure.
But he had to literally threaten a trade demand b/c he didn't have the same level of pull that Klutch has on this team. If they want to penny pinch, LBJ/AD/Klutch won't let it happen.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Only difference here is LBJ/AD are Klutch. If Lakers penny pinch, AD can threaten to bounce. The Klutch factor may keep the Buss kids from cheapening out. I like the pressure that Klutch puts on this team's FO. |
Then you call AD’s bluff. He doesn’t want to leave and there isn’t much of a market for him. He has already lost money by becoming a Laker and will get less going forward due to the cap drop. If I’m him I would be reconsidering Klutch, not the Lakers.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Only difference here is LBJ/AD are Klutch. If Lakers penny pinch, AD can threaten to bounce. The Klutch factor may keep the Buss kids from cheapening out. I like the pressure that Klutch puts on this team's FO. |
Then you call AD’s bluff. He doesn’t want to leave and there isn’t much of a market for him. He has already lost money by becoming a Laker and will get less going forward due to the cap drop. If I’m him I would be reconsidering Klutch, not the Lakers. |
 If anything, players have shown they run the NBA. They will dictate moves. Lakers are the one who will be one who feel the need to keep AD.
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