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CervantesRises
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:05 pm Post subject:

VLF agrees with this trade...let that sink in for those of you who are supporting it. I'm fine with CP3 getting bought out...trading for him would be the dumbest move in Laker History. _________________ "If You're Afraid To Fail...Then You're Probably Going To Fail." - Kobe #BannersOverBillboards

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:09 pm Post subject:

CervantesRises wrote:

I'm fine with CP3 getting bought out...trading for him would be the dumbest move in Laker History.

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:18 pm Post subject:

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Highlights of Pincus talking about Lakers' off-season and potential CP3 trade: https://bit.ly/3dJTl8I

RE: Lakers Salary

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Teams like Lakers might not be able to spend the full MLE ($10M) they might not have access to it because they may use their money to pay KCP or Rondo to stay.

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Davis will probably sign a 3-year deal with opt-out after year 2 to get his 10 year NBA service. His new contract will start at $33M.

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Avery & Javale contracts are worth $4M-$5M, but they can lose money by opting out and only get the minimum $2.6M if there is no market for them.

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KCP has full bird rights with Lakers. His market is about the MLE $10M or close to $12M or more from a team with cap room like Hawks, Knicks, Pistons, Hornets.

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Rondo has early bird rights so Lakers don't have to dip into their exceptions. His option is $2.7M so it makes sense to opt out because he can get as high as $4M-$5M or worse case still get a minimum $2.6M anywhere.

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Challenge is flexibility with Lakers is tied up in re-signing both KCP & Rondo. Depending on how much they get could limit the Lakers from spending full MLE, which can end up being just $6M instead of the full $10M.

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One way for more flexibiltiy is if Avery & Javale opted out which would save the Lakers $10M, but they are likely opting in.

RE: Lakers and Chris Paul

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Lakers understood how influential Rondo was being a 2nd playmaker during the Playoffs. One of the biggest weakness in LeBron's past teams was when he sits, his team faltered with no 2nd playmaker.

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Now imagine if Lakers had CP3 who is way more consistent being that other playmaker and who is a legitimate 3rd scorer, who is also a shooting specialist and historically elite defender who will even be better now that he doesn't have to carry the load with LeBron, and vice-versa LeBron wouldn't have to do too much with CP3.

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CP3 from a health perspective, speaking with him this season, he says he's in the best shape he's ever been in. He played almost the full season, only missed 2 regular season games (and the 2 games he missed was when Kobe passed and the last game of the regular season). He played every game in the Playoffs. He's changed his diet (vegan), he's lost weight and kept it down to take care of his knees. CP3 of today is physically different from the CP3 of the past that gets hurt.

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Trading for CP3 would involve Lakers trading a number of pieces, but they don't necessarily take away the Laker's depth. Three of those players that may be traded are Avery, Javale, Cook:

- Avery didn't play in the bubble.
- Javale was not playable for most of the Playoffs.
- Cook doesn't get minutes at all.

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Lakers can replace depth, for example Tristan Thompson & Nerlens Noel are Klutch clients and could be looked at as upgrades to replace Javale if he gets traded. Boogie Cousins may even be brought back for the minimum.

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Positionally, Lakers have too many guards with not enough playing time. KCP, Avery, Rondo, Caruso, Green, Cook, Waiters, Smith, THT - where are all the mins? There's not much room for them to play meaningful mins.

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If Lakers want to trade for CP3:

- Avery & Javale would need to opt in. If they opt out, it would be more complicated to work sign and trade with both.
- Cook who isn't getting mins.
- Kuzma who can be replaced by maybe Carmelo off the bench.
- Green who can be replaced by someone like Harkless.
- 28th Pick.

Lakers main guard rotations would be CP3 & KCP, then Rondo & Caruso off the bench.

The quote about CP3’s health is probably very interesting. I just assumed he probably missed some games this year because of age or injury, but the fact that he’s played basically a full season and reignited his All-Star status is something I’m tempted to see continue whether a Laker or not.
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:21 pm Post subject:

Jordan-esque wrote:

Lonzo-Lite wrote:

Highlights of Pincus talking about Lakers' off-season and potential CP3 trade: https://bit.ly/3dJTl8I

RE: Lakers Salary

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Teams like Lakers might not be able to spend the full MLE ($10M) they might not have access to it because they may use their money to pay KCP or Rondo to stay.

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Davis will probably sign a 3-year deal with opt-out after year 2 to get his 10 year NBA service. His new contract will start at $33M.

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Avery & Javale contracts are worth $4M-$5M, but they can lose money by opting out and only get the minimum $2.6M if there is no market for them.

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KCP has full bird rights with Lakers. His market is about the MLE $10M or close to $12M or more from a team with cap room like Hawks, Knicks, Pistons, Hornets.

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One way for more flexibiltiy is if Avery & Javale opted out which would save the Lakers $10M, but they are likely opting in.

RE: Lakers and Chris Paul

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Lakers understood how influential Rondo was being a 2nd playmaker during the Playoffs. One of the biggest weakness in LeBron's past teams was when he sits, his team faltered with no 2nd playmaker.

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And we have a top notch medical staff to keep Chris Paul healthy... other teams won’t offer that luxury as much as us.

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:30 pm Post subject:

Jordan-esque wrote:

Yes that surprised me too. The only 2 games he missed weren't because of injuries either. One was when Kobe passed, and the other was the last game of the season after teams were seeded.

I decided to look at his 2020 stats and one thing that stood out to me is his shooting % this season was even better than his career!

49% FG

37% 3P

91% FT

Those shooting numbers on a point guard who's supposedly a playmaker? He's a real closer! This guy just got better with age!
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:36 pm Post subject:

LakerSD wrote:

CervantesRises wrote:

I'm fine with CP3 getting bought out...trading for him would be the dumbest move in Laker History.

Why?

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:36 pm Post subject:

the key is whether OKC wants our pieces begin with. i'm taking off my purple and gold glasses and i don't see why OKC would jump on our offer, a package centering around Kuzma, Bradley, Jamele don't achieve anything for OKC.

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:36 pm Post subject:

CervantesRises wrote:

Eric has really created some buzz around a never gonna happen pipe dream.

Didn't address how a CP3 acquisition impacts Dwight or Morris. Just because they aren't in a trade scenario doesn't me that acquiring CP3 wouldn't cost us those 2 key players.

Nerlens for Dwight?

Boogie for Morris?

Also didn't discuss the severe lux tax hit we'd have to take to get it done.

Glad he's pushing this and not Rob.

I have to agree that it likely never happens
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:38 pm Post subject:

CervantesRises wrote:

32 wrote:

Pelinka was on the Woj podcast today and he said he's looking for a young player to pair with AD this year or next year. That pretty much eliminates CP3.

Rob gets it.

Olidipo?

Luka?

Evidently Rob also day drinks
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:40 pm Post subject:

CervantesRises wrote:

VLF agrees with this trade...let that sink in for those of you who are supporting it.

I'm fine with CP3 getting bought out...trading for him would be the dumbest move in Laker History.

I agreed with the AD trade, let that sink in. Stars win in the NBA, not players like Kuzma and Bradley. They can be replaced.
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:43 pm Post subject:

Lonzo-Lite wrote:

Jordan-esque wrote:

Yes, CP3 is extremely efficient as he's aged. If you think LBJ benefited from Rondo's playmaking then multiply it by 2x with CP3.

I really don't understand the this is a horrible trade. There is no 2021 plan, Giannis I repeat is not coming to the Lakers to play 2nd or 3rd fiddle to LBJ and AD.

The players being traded are not key players for us. Yeah they add depth but depth is replaceable in FA.

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:52 pm Post subject:

dfchang813 wrote:

vasashi17+ wrote:

dfchang813 wrote:

ChickenStu wrote:

And I can't believe people would be sweating losing Avery Bradley if we picked up Chris Paul lol. There are plenty of viable reasons to not want the trade, even if I would probably do it. But losing Bradley is not one of them. The concern would be replacing the wing depth on the roster, since you'd presumably be losing both DG and Kuz, and I haven't even mentioned KCP yet.

Now, if we don't make the deal? Yes, Bradley would be a nice "welcome back" player to have.

By way Eric Pincus did a great podcast linked on the top of the forums discussing why depth is overrated especially at the 1 and 2. He correctly points out that work AB, Rondo, DG, and KCP, and Caruso well as THT in the wings we may have too much depth at the guard positions. There won’t be enough minutes to go around.

I would not trade Caruso. He was one of the most important guys on this year’s championship team and is a glue guy.

If we pull off this trade and get CP3 I don’t know if we have money to bring back Rondo, KCP, Dwight, or Morris. I think we would still have the mini MLe which is about 5.8 million or so? Maybe we can use that to get Harkless to join. Rest will have to be get minimums. Rondo and KCP are gone for sure I think. I don’t know how Bird rights work. If CP3 joins our team can we still go over the cap bit stay under the hard cap by resigning our guys to a 2 yr contract??

CP3 coming here takes us out of the Giannis sweepstakes in 2021 obviously bit that wouldn’t matter. As long as he stays healthy we are winning next 2 chips.

Assuming at minimum Green/Kuz/Cook fully guaranteed/2020 1st go out as the only contracts definitely that are on our books as of right now...

Cp3 41.4m
Bron 39.2m
AD 32.7m
AC 2.8m
THT 1.5m
ntpMLE 9.3m (hard caps us)
BAE 3.6m (hard caps us also)
5 incomplete roster spots 4.5m
= 135m in team salary and only 4m away from the apron

This is why getting that Deng cap exclusion is so important.

Completing the roster with vet mins like Melo, Korver, Jeff Green, Dudz, Troy Daniels, Mike Penberthy etc is doable as long as our total team salary is below 139m when it’s all said and done with. Of course there is some flex by not using the fullBAE/MLE or having to get off other contracts like THT and AC. Of course we can always bypass the apron limitation by using the tpMLE instead.

Thanks for the summary . . . do you think this is enough to bring back Dwight and KCP and still have enough to get say Moe Harkless? I think Rondo is gone if we bring in CP3 cause they hate each other's guts and Rondo would see this as an insult.

You’re welcome bro.

I think bringing in Harkless depends entirely on how much he’s willing to sacrifice in a deal that may not even be that long (especially if we look to only add 1yr deals this year to be a player in the Giannis sweepstakes.)

Bron 39.2m
AD 32.7m
Green 15.4
Kcp caphold 10.5m
ntpMLE 9.3m
Deng cap hit 5m
Bradley opt in (necessary to salary match for Cp3 trade) 5m
McGee opt in (necessary to salary match for Cp3 trade) 4.2m
BAE 3.6m
Kuz 3.6m
Cook fully guaranteed 3m
AC 2.8m
2020 FRP signed (necessary to salary match for Cp3 trade) 1.9m
Dwight caphold 1.7m
THT 1.5m
= 139.4m

Since we used either the ntpMLE or BAE, we’re now hardcapped and breached the apron by 400k. We can sign our MLE player or BAE player to something slightly less to drop back down below the apron. Or we can hope that Deng’s salary exclusion is granted and we suddenly have 5m in wiggle room.

Now here’s the rub...that’s all before we trade for Cp3 using a package of Green/Kuz/Ac/McGee/Cook/2020 FRP pick and once Cp3 hits our books we’re adding an additional 8m in salary to the 139.4m figure above. Now even if get the Deng salary exclusion, we would still be about 3m above the 139m apron. And then we would have to replace the lower capholds of Kcp/Dwight to their new cap figures which would take us even further above apron.

All of that is illegal and that is due to use of the ntpMLE and/or BAE. So the only way we can keep Kcp/Dwight whine trading for Cp3 is to use the tpMLE instead. So would Harkless take the 5.7m MLE instead of the 9.4m MLE?

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:54 pm Post subject:

SGV-Laker fan wrote:

the key is whether OKC wants our pieces begin with. i'm taking off my purple and gold glasses and i don't see why OKC would jump on our offer, a package centering around Kuzma, Bradley, Jamele don't achieve anything for OKC.

Pincus also covered that towards the end of the interview. It was too long to write about it. But he went over scenarios on what OKC would want with the Bucks, Heat, or the Knicks too, teams that were interested in a CP3 trade.
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:55 pm Post subject:

I wish this rumor would just die.

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:09 pm Post subject:

Lakeshow323 wrote:

I wish this rumor would just die.

It was brought to you buy the guy that broke the Jonathan Bender for Devean George + 17th pick story.

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:49 pm Post subject:

It’s funny how people think Cuban would let luka leave.. he’s gonna be a mavs great

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:23 pm Post subject:

SGV-Laker fan wrote:

Because Kuzma might be the best asset they can get back and they save $30m in salary.

If you're OKC, you really don't need any more first round picks, you need young players to grow with SGA.

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:30 pm Post subject:

CervantesRises wrote:

VLF agrees with this trade...let that sink in for those of you who are supporting it.

I'm fine with CP3 getting bought out...trading for him would be the dumbest move in Laker History.

It would be a VERY dumb move, but the dumbest?? Signing scrubs and offering more $ and years while bidding against yourself may take the cake.

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:34 pm Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:

CervantesRises wrote:

I have to agree that it likely never happens

Handy just said in an interview regarding AD's potential the Rondo is coming back. That likely ends the speculation when put together with what Rob said about a young playmaker.

I think Rob is targeting Zo who just signed with Klutch.
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:36 pm Post subject:

RI Laker wrote:

CervantesRises wrote:

VLF agrees with this trade...let that sink in for those of you who are supporting it.

I'm fine with CP3 getting bought out...trading for him would be the dumbest move in Laker History.

It would be a VERY dumb move, but the dumbest?? Signing scrubs and offering more $ and years while bidding against yourself may take the cake.

I take that back...3rd dumbest.

Deng and Moz were the dumbest things we ever did and I hope it stays that way for the next century.
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:37 pm Post subject:

CervantesRises wrote:

RI Laker wrote:

CervantesRises wrote:

VLF agrees with this trade...let that sink in for those of you who are supporting it.

I'm fine with CP3 getting bought out...trading for him would be the dumbest move in Laker History.

It would be a VERY dumb move, but the dumbest?? Signing scrubs and offering more $ and years while bidding against yourself may take the cake.

I take that back...3rd dumbest.

Deng and Moz were the dumbest things we ever did and I hope it stays that way for the next century.

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:37 pm Post subject:

Why would Rob tip his hand on a podcast?

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:40 pm Post subject:

Folks...Season is going to start on Christmas...Lakers lost the most revenue of any team and that's not counting the revenue lost from the POs...no way are we gutting a championship squad to go thigh deep into luxury tax hell for a 36 year old PG. Let it go. _________________ "If You're Afraid To Fail...Then You're Probably Going To Fail." - Kobe #BannersOverBillboards

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:54 pm Post subject:

dfchang813 wrote:

Why would Rob tip his hand on a podcast?

Maybe to shut down the CP3 rumor. It doesn't sound like that's the direction he wants to go.
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:54 pm Post subject:

That way I read this based on emplay’s scenario it’s basically: CP3, Melo, Harkless, Tristan Vs Bradley, McGee, Kuzma, Green and 28th _________________ The butter is getting hard.

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