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drae
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| 32 wrote: | | https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1316807966750900224?s=19 |
Who are going to flip draft picks or young players for Chris Paul. The only contender that could or WOULD do that are ... well ... the Celtics.
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saetarubia
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| CRoost wrote: | | saetarubia wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | saetarubia wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | saetarubia wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | AFireInside619 wrote: | | It’s fake I’m guessing. OKC wants more in return from the Knick, essentially creating a fake bidding war. |
The fake bidding war makes much more sense. Celtics have a lot of draft picks and they have a spare , that expiring Hayward contract who will most likely to opt in. If they feel they are one piece away, they have the edge. |
Celtics need Smart's defense and Kemba is the other starter. Got others who need the ball like Jaylen and Tatum. What they need is a big to contain Bam/AD etc if they are looking for that final piece. |
Kemba was a big disappointment in the playoff. Not only he got switch hunt on defense, he can’t also get past any halfcourt trap. If anything they should trade him along with Hayward for CP3 and Adams. If this is the time to go all in, Ainge should do it as long as they don’t lose Smart, Brown and Tatum which is their core moving forward even if they don’t win it all with CP3. |
OKC wouldn't want that Kemba contract unless so many picks are attached to it. CP3 contract has way more trade value than Kemba. Besides, if CP3 and Bron wanna play together(almost a certain ring for CP3 unlike small Celtics who can't deal with Bam let alone AD), Ainge won't risk pissing off CP3 by meddling in given his age and how much he's owed in that contract. |
OKC can trade him to any team they wish. They are not making decisions on CP3 best interest . You can take our Kemba out of equation and still Celtics have the most enticing assets . I would love CP3 to be in our team but I can’t see it happening unless CP have the veto power. |
CP3's contract is albatross unless he's giving his best. So his best interest will matter to teams looking to trade for him. He wants to win a championship and Boston are not even a top 3 contender. We all know how we got a prime AD despite Boston having better assets. Bron can screw Ainge the same way if he's dreaming of CP3.  |
OKC will be trading him to whatever fit their best interest not CP3. If Celtics make their bid, they have the best and most desirable assets. Let me put it this way, It’s all about what OKC wants to do, not CP3.
Regarding AD. Ainge did not want to trade his youth because unlike us, they don’t have Lebron to compete for championship . Without a chance of winning and AD walk out, they are left with nothing . But Pelicans would have easily made the trade if Celtics attached Tatum in that AD deal. |
Celtics didn't give up their assets because AD didn't want to go there(and would be one year rental). Same way they wouldn't give up better assets than Kuz, #28 if CP3 is interested in only Lakers. Getting a pissed off CP3 on that contract could mess up Celtics chemistry(Irving trade worked out badly chemistry wise) so CP3/his agent can dissuade teams from trading for him. That's my point. Don't wanna go back and forth on this.
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| governator wrote: | Wonder what packages other teams can offer for CP3 (young/picks and expirings for 35 yr max CP3)
Lakers: Kuz + 28th + DG/McGee/Cook expirings
Celtics: R.Williams + Tacko Fall (+picks) + G.Hayward expiring
Knicks: ?
Bucks: ? |
Celtics have 3 first round picks including a lottery pick from Memphis this year plus they own all of their future 1st round pick. They have best assets for OKC. OKC can also make Hayward look good and flip him on trade deadline. If they do bid, OKC will probably take that in a heartbeat. That’s a big IF because Ainge like to stack draft picks. |
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BlueNGold
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| governator wrote: | Wonder what packages other teams can offer for CP3 (young/picks and expirings for 35 yr max CP3)
Lakers: Kuz + 28th + DG/McGee/Cook expirings
Celtics: R.Williams + Tacko Fall (+picks) + G.Hayward expiring
Knicks: ?
Bucks: ? |
For the Lakers, I'd be absolutely shocked if THT wasn't included in any offering. |
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D-Shiznit
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| Too much noise from different sources for this to just be smoke. I am warming up to this idea. |
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AFireInside619
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| BlueNGold wrote: | | governator wrote: | Wonder what packages other teams can offer for CP3 (young/picks and expirings for 35 yr max CP3)
Lakers: Kuz + 28th + DG/McGee/Cook expirings
Celtics: R.Williams + Tacko Fall (+picks) + G.Hayward expiring
Knicks: ?
Bucks: ? |
For the Lakers, I'd be absolutely shocked if THT wasn't included in any offering. |
If THT wants to stay, then he stays. It’s that Klutch tax.
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| danzag wrote: | | Unfortunately I can't see it happening, $80M is a lot for a buyout or trade scenarios |
Same. If he REALLY, REALLY wants to be hear, he'd have to get a buyout for a fraction of his contract value to make it amenable for OKC. No way OKC lets him walk AND gives him all (or almost) the money due to him.
The other avenue is a trade but we simply don't have the assets.
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saetarubia
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | Unfortunately I can't see it happening, $80M is a lot for a buyout or trade scenarios |
Same. If he REALLY, REALLY wants to be hear, he'd have to get a buyout for a fraction of his contract value to make it amenable for OKC. No way OKC lets him walk AND gives him all (or almost) the money due to him.
The other avenue is a trade but we simply don't have the assets. |
If OKC is considering a buyout, wouldn't it be even better for them to trade him for whatever assets(Kuz, #28 and maybe THT) and expiring contracts we give(DG, Cook, Mcgee). Bradley for 5 M will be a good addition for next season for OKC.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| saetarubia wrote: | | jonnybravo wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | Unfortunately I can't see it happening, $80M is a lot for a buyout or trade scenarios |
Same. If he REALLY, REALLY wants to be hear, he'd have to get a buyout for a fraction of his contract value to make it amenable for OKC. No way OKC lets him walk AND gives him all (or almost) the money due to him.
The other avenue is a trade but we simply don't have the assets. |
If OKC is considering a buyout, wouldn't it be even better for them to trade him for whatever assets(Kuz, #29 and maybe THT) and expiring contracts we give(DG, Cook, Mcgee). Bradley for 5 M will be a good addition for next season for OKC. |
The thing is OKC isn't considering a buyout. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| saetarubia wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | saetarubia wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | saetarubia wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | saetarubia wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | AFireInside619 wrote: | | It’s fake I’m guessing. OKC wants more in return from the Knick, essentially creating a fake bidding war. |
The fake bidding war makes much more sense. Celtics have a lot of draft picks and they have a spare , that expiring Hayward contract who will most likely to opt in. If they feel they are one piece away, they have the edge. |
Celtics need Smart's defense and Kemba is the other starter. Got others who need the ball like Jaylen and Tatum. What they need is a big to contain Bam/AD etc if they are looking for that final piece. |
Kemba was a big disappointment in the playoff. Not only he got switch hunt on defense, he can’t also get past any halfcourt trap. If anything they should trade him along with Hayward for CP3 and Adams. If this is the time to go all in, Ainge should do it as long as they don’t lose Smart, Brown and Tatum which is their core moving forward even if they don’t win it all with CP3. |
OKC wouldn't want that Kemba contract unless so many picks are attached to it. CP3 contract has way more trade value than Kemba. Besides, if CP3 and Bron wanna play together(almost a certain ring for CP3 unlike small Celtics who can't deal with Bam let alone AD), Ainge won't risk pissing off CP3 by meddling in given his age and how much he's owed in that contract. |
OKC can trade him to any team they wish. They are not making decisions on CP3 best interest . You can take our Kemba out of equation and still Celtics have the most enticing assets . I would love CP3 to be in our team but I can’t see it happening unless CP have the veto power. |
CP3's contract is albatross unless he's giving his best. So his best interest will matter to teams looking to trade for him. He wants to win a championship and Boston are not even a top 3 contender. We all know how we got a prime AD despite Boston having better assets. Bron can screw Ainge the same way if he's dreaming of CP3. |
OKC will be trading him to whatever fit their best interest not CP3. If Celtics make their bid, they have the best and most desirable assets. Let me put it this way, It’s all about what OKC wants to do, not CP3.
Regarding AD. Ainge did not want to trade his youth because unlike us, they don’t have Lebron to compete for championship . Without a chance of winning and AD walk out, they are left with nothing . But Pelicans would have easily made the trade if Celtics attached Tatum in that AD deal. |
Celtics didn't give up their assets because AD didn't want to go there(and would be one year rental). Same way they wouldn't give up better assets than Kuz, #28 if CP3 is interested in only Lakers. Getting a pissed off CP3 on that contract could mess up Celtics chemistry(Irving trade worked out badly chemistry wise) so CP3/his agent can dissuade teams from trading for him. That's my point. Don't wanna go back and forth on this. |
You still missing the point because OKC has the total control where to trade him. Saying CP3 will throw fits and tantrums is pure speculation. NBA is business first, a veteran like CP3 is professional enough to understand this. |
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| danzag wrote: | | saetarubia wrote: | | jonnybravo wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | Unfortunately I can't see it happening, $80M is a lot for a buyout or trade scenarios |
Same. If he REALLY, REALLY wants to be hear, he'd have to get a buyout for a fraction of his contract value to make it amenable for OKC. No way OKC lets him walk AND gives him all (or almost) the money due to him.
The other avenue is a trade but we simply don't have the assets. |
If OKC is considering a buyout, wouldn't it be even better for them to trade him for whatever assets(Kuz, #29 and maybe THT) and expiring contracts we give(DG, Cook, Mcgee). Bradley for 5 M will be a good addition for next season for OKC. |
The thing is OKC isn't considering a buyout. |
Screw it, I'm jumping on board. CP3, here we come!!!!
We would be soooooo damn unguardable with him it's not even funny.
Just give up your salary dude, it's just 80M. Come to So Cal, win rings, build your legacy.
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saetarubia
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You are also missing the point about player power in these situations. CP3 and his agent can manipulate where he wanna end up like AD did. Too much risk for Boston in this not just their assets. CP3 has a massive contract at the age of 35 and if things don't work out at Celtics, his contract is untradeable in 2021 which means Boston can't improve the team in 2021 FA market. If CP3 wants to join Lakers and we are interested, I see it happening. Not many teams can afford his contract and we can afford to give them couple of assets on top of it. Boston meddling in it is pure speculation from your part btw.
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it's just a dumb rumor someone jumped on. OKC would want the farm for him since he is getting paid more than Lebron is.
They won't take the Lakers trash for him. Kuz, Green, Javale, TNT, etc? Ain't gonna get you CP3, folks. Keep dreaming.
This ship has sailed...
Oh, and he is not getting a buyout folks, we already discussed this like a year ago....no way in hell... |
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| saetarubia wrote: | ^
You are also missing the point about player power in these situations. CP3 and his agent can manipulate where he wanna end up like AD did. Too much risk for Boston in this not just their assets. CP3 has a massive contract at the age of 35 and if things don't work out at Celtics, his contract is untradeable in 2021 which means Boston can't improve the team in 2021 FA market. If CP3 wants to join Lakers and we are interested, I see it happening. Not many teams can afford his contract and we can afford to give them couple of assets on top of it. Boston meddling in it is pure speculation from your part btw. |
We can't afford him. Is the salary cap now $200 mill? So, Lebron is $37 mill, AD will be about the same, then the other players....CP3 is $41 mill...
The math doesn't work....you can't trade 6 for 1 and have 5 open roster spots and already at the cap.... |
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why would boston want CP3 when they have kemba walker.
i dont see him coming to lakers.
if kuzma + 28 are involved. I want Bazley coming back.
thats >85 salary coming to lakers |
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Fred Vanvleet >>>>>>>> CP3
Make it happen, Pelinka. |
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| Obviously this is not going to happen. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| anth2000 wrote: | it's just a dumb rumor someone jumped on. OKC would want the farm for him since he is getting paid more than Lebron is.
They won't take the Lakers trash for him. Kuz, Green, Javale, TNT, etc? Ain't gonna get you CP3, folks. Keep dreaming.
This ship has sailed...
Oh, and he is not getting a buyout folks, we already discussed this like a year ago....no way in hell... |
its not happening.. but Anth be always crying...whether be it Lonzo or CP3 |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| anth2000 wrote: | it's just a dumb rumor someone jumped on. OKC would want the farm for him since he is getting paid more than Lebron is.
They won't take the Lakers trash for him. Kuz, Green, Javale, TNT, etc? Ain't gonna get you CP3, folks. Keep dreaming.
This ship has sailed...
Oh, and he is not getting a buyout folks, we already discussed this like a year ago....no way in hell... |
Agreed.
More likely Bucks make a run to try and save Giannis.
It'd be interesting if the Clips tried to put in an offer . . . no #1's. Would they send PG back? Would OKC take him back?
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| anth2000 wrote: | it's just a dumb rumor someone jumped on. OKC would want the farm for him since he is getting paid more than Lebron is.
They won't take the Lakers trash for him. Kuz, Green, Javale, TNT, etc? Ain't gonna get you CP3, folks. Keep dreaming.
This ship has sailed...
Oh, and he is not getting a buyout folks, we already discussed this like a year ago....no way in hell... |
LeBron is earning what he deserves. CP3 is way overpaid due to Rockets promise when he committed to join them from Clippers. Why would OKC ask the farm for him? They'd have to pay 85 M if they keep him and no one is offering the farm for CP3. Best offers being talked about so far were a first round pick. We could offer them Kuz, #28 and expiring contracts rather than say Bledsoe who's owed like 55 M until 2023.
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| CRoost wrote: | | governator wrote: | Wonder what packages other teams can offer for CP3 (young/picks and expirings for 35 yr max CP3)
Lakers: Kuz + 28th + DG/McGee/Cook expirings
Celtics: R.Williams + Tacko Fall (+picks) + G.Hayward expiring
Knicks: ?
Bucks: ? |
Celtics have 3 first round picks including a lottery pick from Memphis this year plus they own all of their future 1st round pick. They have best assets for OKC. OKC can also make Hayward look good and flip him on trade deadline. If they do bid, OKC will probably take that in a heartbeat. That’s a big IF because Ainge like to stack draft picks. |
CP3 also would take out Celts out of 2021 max FA, would they do it? I know we would because we'll be contending |
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| saetarubia wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | it's just a dumb rumor someone jumped on. OKC would want the farm for him since he is getting paid more than Lebron is.
They won't take the Lakers trash for him. Kuz, Green, Javale, TNT, etc? Ain't gonna get you CP3, folks. Keep dreaming.
This ship has sailed...
Oh, and he is not getting a buyout folks, we already discussed this like a year ago....no way in hell... |
LeBron is earning what he deserves. CP3 is way overpaid due to Rockets promise when they committed to join them from Clippers. Why would OKC ask the farm for him? They'd have to pay 85 M if they keep him and no one is offering the farm for CP3. Best offers being talked about so far were a first round pick. We could offer them Kuz, #28 and expiring contracts rather than say Bledsoe who's owed like 55 M until 2023. |
some people on this site are acting like we are giving up the farm, these same people would have gotten rid of kuzma, green, McGee just last week and now they are saying that we will be giving up too much, like some of these same folks was complaining about the AD trade and how did that turn out? |
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| Naaa CP3 not worth the money plus him and Rondo most likely hate each other after the fight they had. |
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| PASTOR RILEY wrote: | | saetarubia wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | it's just a dumb rumor someone jumped on. OKC would want the farm for him since he is getting paid more than Lebron is.
They won't take the Lakers trash for him. Kuz, Green, Javale, TNT, etc? Ain't gonna get you CP3, folks. Keep dreaming.
This ship has sailed...
Oh, and he is not getting a buyout folks, we already discussed this like a year ago....no way in hell... |
LeBron is earning what he deserves. CP3 is way overpaid due to Rockets promise when they committed to join them from Clippers. Why would OKC ask the farm for him? They'd have to pay 85 M if they keep him and no one is offering the farm for CP3. Best offers being talked about so far were a first round pick. We could offer them Kuz, #28 and expiring contracts rather than say Bledsoe who's owed like 55 M until 2023. |
some people on this site are acting like we are giving up the farm, these same people would have gotten rid of kuzma, green, McGee just last week and now they are saying that we will be giving up too much, like some of these same folks was complaining about the AD trade and how did that turn out? |
Issue is CP3's contract. If we want to make a run at Giannis, we can't have $125 million tied up in Bron, AD & CP3.
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| saetarubia wrote: | ^
You are also missing the point about player power in these situations. CP3 and his agent can manipulate where he wanna end up like AD did. Too much risk for Boston in this not just their assets. CP3 has a massive contract at the age of 35 and if things don't work out at Celtics, his contract is untradeable in 2021 which means Boston can't improve the team in 2021 FA market. If CP3 wants to join Lakers and we are interested, I see it happening. Not many teams can afford his contract and we can afford to give them couple of assets on top of it. Boston meddling in it is pure speculation from your part btw. |
Nah. Those are factors. Celtics has no desire to part with their youth because they know AD will not win it alone and his player option means they could lose it all so AD have the leverage so to speak At least with us, we have Lebron and there’s a decent chance we can win it all. The risk is the same but we have Lebron .
But if Celtics attaches Tatum, all those factors means nothing. Pelicans would take their offer in a heartbeat. Without Tatum, there’s no question our offer is better.
Everything about here is speculations . But there’s no question Celtics have way more intriguing assets than us if they want to bid. |
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