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The Bolts have found something in Herbert.
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I guess that really was a tough game for the Raiders to win. LOL, what a crapfest that was by them.
Also, Anthony Lynn is comically awful. The Chargers' clock and game management in the 4th quarter of their loss today to the Bills had to be seen to be believed. Down 27-14 in the 4th, they faced a 4th and 3 from around the 10 yard line. They keep the offense on the field. With plenty of time on the play clock, Lynn calls a timeout. Then they put the FG unit out there and make the FG. Um, either put the FG unit out with plenty of time still on the play clock, or you can simply take the 5-yard penalty and still kick it. It's a chip shot. Instead, he wastes a timeout in the 4th quarter for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
Mistake #2? Now the score is 27-17, they face a 4th down again in the red zone, and there are still a few minutes left in the game. It wasn't 4th and short. I mean, kick the FG and get within a touchdown. Nope, they go for it, and don't make it.
The last series of the game was just embarrassing. The Chargers actually get a last-gasp Hail Mary pass down inside the 5 yard line. You're down 10. They rush up to the line, with no timeouts, with a running clock and about 30 seconds or so to go. At this point, you have three options. One, spike the ball and get the FG unit out immediately, to make it a one-score game and to at least leave enough time for a desperation drive if you get the onside kick. Two, spike the ball and then go for the TD via the pass. Or, three, just run a play and pass the ball. So what do they do? THEY RUN THE BALL UP THE MIDDLE. They don't score. Clock running. By the time they got another play off, there were 6 seconds left and that effectively ended the game, even had they scored afterward, which they didn't. (They tried a QB sneak on the final play of the game that went literally backwards.)
Lynn must be fired. Their special teams are an abomination and they continue to botch too many simple things on the field. It's extremely difficult to lose an NFL game by more than one score when you are a +2 or better in turnover margin, and yet that's what happened to the Chargers today. |
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Derrick Henry went nuclear today.
And Tyreek Hill just said "hold my beer, Derrick" in the 1st quarter against Tampa. How about 203 yards and two touchdowns? In the first quarter!
And that Bucs pass defense has fallen apart. |
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What do you do about Mahomes? He's Houdini. Bell's addition makes them a WTF team.
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| Anthony Lynn pulled that Chargers team from mediocrity, unfortunately the past 2 years they have underwhelmed. He doesn't have the resume of a Mike Tomlin so I don't think he'll be able to save his job. Unfortunately its the Chargers so the next coach they hire might not do any better. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Anthony Lynn pulled that Chargers team from mediocrity, unfortunately the past 2 years they have underwhelmed. He doesn't have the resume of a Mike Tomlin so I don't think he'll be able to save his job. Unfortunately its the Chargers so the next coach they hire might not do any better. |
I think Lynn's doing a good job. IMO, FO should keep him and put in some work.
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| Luckily for Anthony Lynn the ownership has super low standards so he might simply keep his job just because they don't want to bring attention to themselves. |
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| Brady and Belichick both look a lot less special without each other. To me this makes what Manning did when he moved to Denver look even more impressive. |
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| Steve007 wrote: | | Brady and Belichick both look a lot less special without each other. To me this makes what Manning did when he moved to Denver look even more impressive. |
Also should Bruce Arians be fired at some point? Manning after his move to Denver was given a lot more freedom to do what made him successful. Brady has tried to adjust to a completely different system and Arians just criticizes him publicity when things go poorly. Do the Bucs do enough to play to his strengths? |
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Bucs 1-3 with Antonio Brown, 6-2 before picking him up. I did see him getting blamed;
| Quote: | | Prior to Brownâs arrival, Brady completed 66.2% of his passes, threw for 2,189 yards, 20 touchdowns and 4 interceptions. Since Brown joined, Bradyâs completion percentage has dipped to 60.8%, while he has thrown for only 766 yards, 5 touchdowns and 5 interceptions in three games. |
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| panamaniac wrote: | | I donât understand the NFLs infatuation with the Cowboys and Lions for Thanksgiving. Itâs almost as inexplicable as Foxâs infatuation with Joe Buck. |
It used to be fun to watch the Cowboys in the 90âs when they were a huge deal. Watching them since Tony Romo has been okay. Nobody knew their starting qb would be out right now.
The only time I was happy to see the Lions play was when my favorite team was playing them. |
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| The Broncos havenât played a game without a qb since Tim Tebow was playing for them. The game today reminds me how amazing it was that team made the playoffs. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | The Bolts have found something in Herbert. |
Chargers have a robust tradition of quarterbacks. Fouts, Rivers now Herbert. Unfortunately they never seem to be able to make that next leap as an organization. |
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| The Saints sticking with Hill over Winston is hilarious. |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | The Broncos have no QBs for tomorrow. If Denver ownership and the NFL were smart and serious about restoring the image of the league, they'd be on the phone with Colin Kaep right now. |
He should have tried to play in the CFL or even the XFL earlier this year. He may hate that and think he is too good for those leagues, but if thatâs the case, he would likely dominate and make a stronger case for playing in the NFL. And it would eliminate the concern that he has been out of football for what seems like an eternity now.
Not playing in any league and just waiting isnât going to do anything. Especially at age 33. |
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| Steve007 wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | The Broncos have no QBs for tomorrow. If Denver ownership and the NFL were smart and serious about restoring the image of the league, they'd be on the phone with Colin Kaep right now. |
He should have tried to play in the CFL or even the XFL earlier this year. He may hate that and think he is too good for those leagues, but if thatâs the case, he would likely dominate and make a stronger case for playing in the NFL. And it would eliminate the concern that he has been out of football for what seems like an eternity now.
Not playing in any league and just waiting isnât going to do anything. Especially at age 33. |
I can understand why he doesn't want to play in the CFL or XFL. Because if he looks bad in either of those leagues he has no shot of making it back in the NFL. |
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Lynn is getting the axe for sure. They almost fired him last year. And he's not doing a good job. If you watch their games, they make boneheaded decisions and awful play calls regularly. They have taken losing games in an embarrassing fashion to a new level. He simply doesn't have the clout to withstand a second straight awful season. When a team consistently loses in the manner that they do -- they have a good QB and their roster is hardly bereft of talent -- a dude just isn't going to survive this. Nor should he. He deserves to get fired, and he will be. They need to hire an offensive mastermind that isn't going to waste Herbert's rookie contract. Three prime candidates will be current offensive coordinators: KC's Eric "Sleeping With" Bieniemy, Tennessee's Arthur Smith, and Carolina's Joe Brady. Possibly even Buffalo's OC Brian Daboll.
Tampa will still likely finish 11-5 (or 10-6 at worst) with their remaining schedule, and they'll be a wild card team, but they have sprung major leaks in the secondary. The pass defense was so good for the first 2 months. Not anymore. They still stuff the run, but that pass D has gone to crap. I agree that Arians is publicly not doing himself any favors by calling Brady out. |
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| If Lynn gets fired the league will only have 2 black coaches. Not a good look for the league especially in these times. |
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| Steve007 wrote: | | If Lynn gets fired the league will only have 2 black coaches. Not a good look for the league especially in these times. |
You must be listening to SAS 
I understand where you're coming from. It's not the reason I don't advocate his firing.
Sports is about winning. Is Lynn the reason they're not winning? If so what are the reason to think that way? If you have legitimate reasons let him go.
The team is playing decent ball. The offensive play calling is more culprit than Lynn. Is the reason for that Lynn or Shane Steichen? They get passive and blow big leads. That can be fixed.
How much fault can be placed at Gus Bradley's feet? The defense goes to sleep early.
IMO you don't let a coach go mid season. Who would step up? Play the season out. If you're going to fire Lynn do it after the season.
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| Steve007 wrote: | | If Lynn gets fired the league will only have 2 black coaches. Not a good look for the league especially in these times. |
Bienemy will likely get hired somewhere, maybe even as Lynn's replacement |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | I guess that really was a tough game for the Raiders to win. LOL, what a crapfest that was by them.
Also, Anthony Lynn is comically awful. The Chargers' clock and game management in the 4th quarter of their loss today to the Bills had to be seen to be believed. Down 27-14 in the 4th, they faced a 4th and 3 from around the 10 yard line. They keep the offense on the field. With plenty of time on the play clock, Lynn calls a timeout. Then they put the FG unit out there and make the FG. Um, either put the FG unit out with plenty of time still on the play clock, or you can simply take the 5-yard penalty and still kick it. It's a chip shot. Instead, he wastes a timeout in the 4th quarter for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
Mistake #2? Now the score is 27-17, they face a 4th down again in the red zone, and there are still a few minutes left in the game. It wasn't 4th and short. I mean, kick the FG and get within a touchdown. Nope, they go for it, and don't make it.
The last series of the game was just embarrassing. The Chargers actually get a last-gasp Hail Mary pass down inside the 5 yard line. You're down 10. They rush up to the line, with no timeouts, with a running clock and about 30 seconds or so to go. At this point, you have three options. One, spike the ball and get the FG unit out immediately, to make it a one-score game and to at least leave enough time for a desperation drive if you get the onside kick. Two, spike the ball and then go for the TD via the pass. Or, three, just run a play and pass the ball. So what do they do? THEY RUN THE BALL UP THE MIDDLE. They don't score. Clock running. By the time they got another play off, there were 6 seconds left and that effectively ended the game, even had they scored afterward, which they didn't. (They tried a QB sneak on the final play of the game that went literally backwards.)
Lynn must be fired. Their special teams are an abomination and they continue to botch too many simple things on the field. It's extremely difficult to lose an NFL game by more than one score when you are a +2 or better in turnover margin, and yet that's what happened to the Chargers today. |
That was one of the worst coached games I've ever seen in my entire life. Just so many comically bad decisions throughout the game. Hell, even the clock management at the end of the first half was awful.
The decision to run up the middle with 30 seconds left and a running clock was literally shocking. My jaw was on the floor watching that |
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| AY2043 wrote: | | Steve007 wrote: | | If Lynn gets fired the league will only have 2 black coaches. Not a good look for the league especially in these times. |
Bienemy will likely get hired somewhere, maybe even as Lynn's replacement |
His name is being discussed as #1 on the hire list for all open head coaching jobs.
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| ChickenStu wrote: | I guess that really was a tough game for the Raiders to win. LOL, what a crapfest that was by them.
Also, Anthony Lynn is comically awful. The Chargers' clock and game management in the 4th quarter of their loss today to the Bills had to be seen to be believed. Down 27-14 in the 4th, they faced a 4th and 3 from around the 10 yard line. They keep the offense on the field. With plenty of time on the play clock, Lynn calls a timeout. Then they put the FG unit out there and make the FG. Um, either put the FG unit out with plenty of time still on the play clock, or you can simply take the 5-yard penalty and still kick it. It's a chip shot. Instead, he wastes a timeout in the 4th quarter for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
Mistake #2? Now the score is 27-17, they face a 4th down again in the red zone, and there are still a few minutes left in the game. It wasn't 4th and short. I mean, kick the FG and get within a touchdown. Nope, they go for it, and don't make it.
The last series of the game was just embarrassing. The Chargers actually get a last-gasp Hail Mary pass down inside the 5 yard line. You're down 10. They rush up to the line, with no timeouts, with a running clock and about 30 seconds or so to go. At this point, you have three options. One, spike the ball and get the FG unit out immediately, to make it a one-score game and to at least leave enough time for a desperation drive if you get the onside kick. Two, spike the ball and then go for the TD via the pass. Or, three, just run a play and pass the ball. So what do they do? THEY RUN THE BALL UP THE MIDDLE. They don't score. Clock running. By the time they got another play off, there were 6 seconds left and that effectively ended the game, even had they scored afterward, which they didn't. (They tried a QB sneak on the final play of the game that went literally backwards.)
Lynn must be fired. Their special teams are an abomination and they continue to botch too many simple things on the field. It's extremely difficult to lose an NFL game by more than one score when you are a +2 or better in turnover margin, and yet that's what happened to the Chargers today. |
To quote the great Vic the Brick Jacobs, 'YIIIIIKES'.
Yeah, that was just awful. One of the most pathetic displays I've seen from them in a long time and that is saying something.
Carr, Gruden and the entire coaching staff get a big, fat F as they look ill prepared and unmotivated.
Really looks like they thought they would just show up and be them no problem, which, as I stated last week, this team is not good enough to think that.
It's just really annoying that they did the same exact thing last year. 6-4, looking good and then going out east to play an inferior team and then get shellacked by the Jets.
Hope it's not the same end-result as last year basically losing out. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | AY2043 wrote: | | Steve007 wrote: | | If Lynn gets fired the league will only have 2 black coaches. Not a good look for the league especially in these times. |
Bienemy will likely get hired somewhere, maybe even as Lynn's replacement |
His name is being discussed as #1 on the hire list for all open head coaching jobs. |
Side note: Some fans called for Pete Carroll to be fired after the bonehead call that lost the SB!!! I'm jus saying 
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| jodeke wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | AY2043 wrote: | | Steve007 wrote: | | If Lynn gets fired the league will only have 2 black coaches. Not a good look for the league especially in these times. |
Bienemy will likely get hired somewhere, maybe even as Lynn's replacement |
His name is being discussed as #1 on the hire list for all open head coaching jobs. |
Side note: Some fans called for Pete Carroll to be fired after the bonehead call that lost the SB!!! I'm jus saying |
That's still the worst coaching or managerial decision/call in the history of sports, given the magnitude of the moment. Much worse than taking Blake Snell out of Game 6 of the World Series. But that's my point; Carroll had more than enough clout to be able to withstand that, obviously. Anthony Lynn is 29-30 in 4 seasons, which isn't pathetic, except for the fact that they are 8-19 over their past two seasons.
Bieniemy will be able to pick his choice of job in the offseason, I would think, assuming a huge name like Dabo Swinney doesn't go to the pros or something. The Charger job will be very appealing, as it will give a coach a great young QB early on his rookie deal, a new stadium to play in/great weather, not to mention a non-attacking media and a decent roster in place. The Jets will be able to presumably offer Trevor Lawrence. The Texans can offer an already-established star QB in Watson, though most of that roster is a mess. The Jaguars will probably be able to offer Justin Fields and a ton of cap room. The Detroit job is probably the worst, as Bob Quinn and Matt Patricia will hand the next regime a poor roster and a QB who is still good, but will be 33 in February and has dealt with injuries over the past 2 seasons.
I suppose you can't rule out Bieniemy choosing to stay with the Chiefs, similar to how Josh McDaniels has stayed with the Patriots. (Perhaps there's an implicit coach-in-waiting arrangement.) But if Andy Reid doesn't plan on stepping aside anytime soon, it's probably time for Bieniemy to jump. |
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