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PHILosophize
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multiple covid positives for the titans
at least we got three weeks in
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| Steve007 wrote: | | Raiders were in Oakland twice, but they also moved away from Oakland twice. And Vegas in the future will probably try harder to keep them than Oakland or LA did. |
Vegas already did something LA or Oakland never did....build them a new stadium on taxpayers dime....they will be staying there for a while. |
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| PHILosophize wrote: | multiple covid positives for the titans
at least we got three weeks in |
Wonder how they will replace those guys that are infected? Call up the practice squad players? |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:24 am Post subject: |
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Mahomes arm angles are unbelievable. He throws over the top, sidearm, 3/4 arm, left handed. Dude threw a windup underhand pass.  He passes from the pocket, on the move, backing up, going forward. Is there a pass he can't make?
Then you have to be aware of his legs. When a play breaks down he runs. He makes something out of nothing.
If Patrick stays healthy he's going to rewrite the book on QB's.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | multiple covid positives for the titans
at least we got three weeks in |
Wonder how they will replace those guys that are infected? Call up the practice squad players? |
Unfortunately both Pittsburgh and Tennessee do not share a bye date, but switching around the schedules shouldn't be too hard. Only one week separates their bye dates.
What we don't know is how far the virus has spread. I'm sure there is an incubation period before the infection shows up on a test. At some point they'll have to use practice squad players or even a street signing if multiple players have been infected, and subsequently require multiple weeks to recover.
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| BadGuy wrote: | | Mahomes made Lamar Jackson look like a crappy college QB. Lamar looked absolutely pathetic out there; he was basically RG3: a QB with 0 vision, pocket presence, or awareness. Meanwhile, Mahomes absolutely shredded a top defense. Ravens play-calling was utter garbage given who they were facing. |
Andy Reid is having some fun, their staff is getting creative.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | BadGuy wrote: | | Mahomes made Lamar Jackson look like a crappy college QB. Lamar looked absolutely pathetic out there; he was basically RG3: a QB with 0 vision, pocket presence, or awareness. Meanwhile, Mahomes absolutely shredded a top defense. Ravens play-calling was utter garbage given who they were facing. |
Andy Reid is having some fun, their staff is getting creative. |
That play to the lineman was pretty funny. Chiefs just toying with and clowning the Ravens last night  |
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| Looks like the league intends to play Titans-Steelers this week, possibly moving it to Monday or even Tuesday night. Meanwhile, the Vikings were told that they should expect a 48-hour shutdown of their facility, but no positive tests for them so far is a good thing. Assuming that remains the case, I am guessing they will be allowed to go back to their facility on Thursday, and then I'd assume the Vikings-Texans game would proceed on Sunday as scheduled. |
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| The league is postponing the Titans-Steelers game. I guess players exhibiting flu-like symptoms put the fear of God into Park Avenue. |
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I heard a rumor early yesterday that another Titans player tested positive twice, but I couldn't find the online confirmation. I changed that post above into "exhibiting flu-like symptoms" instead of "additional Titans player tested positive" as a result.
Well it is now news. The game won't be played on Monday as previously announced. The league won't stand for any loss of revenue, they'll simply reschedule and use the bye dates as buffer. |
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Football isn't having the success of the NBA. The Almighty Dollar once again raises its ugly head.
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| jodeke wrote: | | Football isn't having the success of the NBA. The Almighty Dollar once again raises its ugly head. |
Why do you think that the NBA is playing?
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Football isn't having the success of the NBA. The Almighty Dollar once again raises its ugly head. |
Why do you think that the NBA is playing? |
I think they want to crown a champion. They're doing it without fans. The NFL have fans attending to offset their losses. Why do you think they're playing?
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| jodeke wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Football isn't having the success of the NBA. The Almighty Dollar once again raises its ugly head. |
Why do you think that the NBA is playing? |
I think they want to crown a champion. They're doing it without fans. The NFL have fans attending to offset their losses. Why do you think they're playing? |
Money is a big reason for the NBA, Silver has said so.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Football isn't having the success of the NBA. The Almighty Dollar once again raises its ugly head. |
Why do you think that the NBA is playing? |
I think they want to crown a champion. They're doing it without fans. The NFL have fans attending to offset their losses. Why do you think they're playing? |
Money is a big reason for the NBA. |
Of course it is. It's a business. In this case the NBA is playing more to crown a champion than the NFL.
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| angrypuppy wrote: | | Steve007 wrote: | IMO Mahomes is the GOAT. He just needs to stay healthy. It didnāt take long before the GOAT talk started with Brady around 17 years ago. And Brady didnāt start putting up big numbers until 4 years later.
When it comes to the eye test, Iāve never seen a qb make it look so easy. |
Mahomes is outstanding, exciting to watch, and already has one Super Bowl win behind him. While health is a factor, the question is also how Mahomes will perform as the pieces around him deteriorate or leave. Right now he's surrounded by some outstanding receiving talent and a pretty good OL. The question for any QB in the NFL is how he'll adapt as the pieces around him change.
There's a danger in prematurely crowning a QB the GOAT. Look no further than Aaron Rodgers. |
Actually Iām okay with someone still saying that about Rodgers. Rodgers did win a championship with Mike McCarthy. Thatās the equivalent of winning 5 with Belichick. Brady had a huge advantage in coaching compared to the other elite qbs of his time. Does anyone think Rodgers, Manning or Brees only wins one ring with Belichick?
Mahomes didnāt just dominate with the talent around him. He has put up arguably the greatest numbers by a qb we have other seen. And unlike many of the other greats, he can pick up yards with his legs, and evade the rush much better and buy extra time so his teammates have more time to get open.
Iāve never seen a qb that can both pass and run as well as he does. In the past, the guys throwing 40-50 td passes were much slower.
Can you imagine a healthy Mahomes with Belichick for almost 20 years? Rings, rings, rings.
But like I said, Mahomes needs to stay healthy. I doubt he will play as long as Brady or Brees. I think the longevity argument helps Brady a lot in the argument for GOAT. |
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| Uhm, sure. So tell me about Belichick teams without Brady. Can you imagine how many Super Bowls Brady would have won with KC's offense and Andy Reid? Probably 20, huh? |
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| angrypuppy wrote: | | Uhm, sure. So tell me about Belichick teams without Brady. Can you imagine how many Super Bowls Brady would have won with KC's offense and Andy Reid? Probably 20, huh? |
Belichick won rings with the Giants too. Look at Parcells record both with and without him.
There is a reason why people say defense wins championships. Belichick has a lot to do with the Patriots defense shutting down great offenses like the Kurt Warner Rams and the Colts a couple of years later. Brady won in 2002 and he wasnāt anything amazing then, just solid. He didnāt start really tearing defensess up until later in his career. Iād take Rodgers over Brady in his first 3-4 years. |
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| Steve007 wrote: | | angrypuppy wrote: | | Uhm, sure. So tell me about Belichick teams without Brady. Can you imagine how many Super Bowls Brady would have won with KC's offense and Andy Reid? Probably 20, huh? |
Belichick won rings with the Giants too. Look at Parcells record both with and without him.
There is a reason why people say defense wins championships. Belichick has a lot to do with the Patriots defense shutting down great offenses like the Kurt Warner Rams and the Colts a couple of years later. Brady won in 2002 and he wasnāt anything amazing then, just solid. He didnāt start really tearing defensess up until later in his career. Iād take Rodgers over Brady in his first 3-4 years. |
He wasn't a head coach with the Giants now, was he?
There are no free lunches in the NFL; if you use your draft capital and cap space on defense, then your offense suffers, and vice versa. Right now the balance is heavily on the offense in KC, but you want to pretend that if KC had Belichick that they'd have the same offensive weaponry? You've got to be kidding. |
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| angrypuppy wrote: |
He wasn't a head coach with the Giants now, was he? |
This makes my point. He made a HUGE impact even when he wasnāt a head coach yet. If he could do that as a defensive coordinator, then itās not surprising that he is a HOF coach.
| Quote: | | There are no free lunches in the NFL; if you use your draft capital and cap space on defense, then your offense suffers, and vice versa. Right now the balance is heavily on the offense in KC, but you want to pretend that if KC had Belichick that they'd have the same offensive weaponry? You've got to be kidding. |
But I never said that. Remember when Rodgers was complaining that his team never drafted a wide receiver in the first round? Yet he still put up GREAT numbers in his career. Now imagine him with Belichick instead of with Fat Mike for almost his whole career.
The great qbs will succeed anyway. They will make their teammates look better.
Also, Mahomes has never played with a great defense. Take away some weapons from him and add some playmakers on the defense, and Mahomes doesnāt have to do as much. He can manage the game instead of trying to outscore teams as much. The 2018 Chiefs defense possibly cost him a ring with a horrific performance against the Patriots in the playoffs. That defense ranked 31st in the league in yards allowed and 24th in points allowed. Good luck trying to beat Brady with those guys. |
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That's one of the reasons that the Chiefs won last year. Their defense was much, much better, especially against the pass. They still were very poor against the run, but this is a passing league now so if you can rush the passer, which they can do, and cover receivers fairly well, you have a chance. Especially when your offense is ungodly. |
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| Quote: | | the question is also how Mahomes will perform as the pieces around him deteriorate or leave. Right now he's surrounded by some outstanding receiving talent and a pretty good OL. The question for any QB in the NFL is how he'll adapt as the pieces around him change. |
Also youāve got to be kidding at this being a question. Does anybody think he wouldnāt be great? So he will be less great? Lol. Give him a better defense and heāll be fine. Give him a Belichick defense and he will do even better.
I still think Brady has the GOAT career. But if I could take a qb for one season, Iād take the Mahomes weāve seen in the last 2-3 years.
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| ChickenStu wrote: | ^
That's one of the reasons that the Chiefs won last year. Their defense was much, much better, especially against the pass. They still were very poor against the run, but this is a passing league now so if you can rush the passer, which they can do, and cover receivers fairly well, you have a chance. Especially when your offense is ungodly. |
Thatās true, but fwiw they were still pretty shaky in the playoffs which was one reason the team kept facing large deficits. But yes, they were much better. |
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| Steve007 wrote: | | Quote: | | the question is also how Mahomes will perform as the pieces around him deteriorate or leave. Right now he's surrounded by some outstanding receiving talent and a pretty good OL. The question for any QB in the NFL is how he'll adapt as the pieces around him change. |
Also youāve got to be kidding at this being a question. Does anybody think he wouldnāt be great? So he will be less great? Lol. Give him a better defense and heāll be fine. Give him a Belichick defense and he will do even better.
I still think Brady has the GOAT career. But if I could take a qb for one season, Iād take the Mahomes weāve seen in the last 2-3 years. |
And to get Belichick defenses, you need Belichick personnel. This isnt rocket science. Belichick spends most of his draft capital and cap space on defense. While Mahomes is talented, heooks e en more incredible as Reid prioritizes the offense. With the exception of Moss, Brady has never had a Ty Hill, let alone a Sammy Watkins. Mrcole Hardiman is a major upgrade over what the Patriots have sourced over the past 20 or so years. When Belichick is the HC the QB has to deal with lesser weapons. Brady has delivered exceptionally well under those conditions. I think Mahomes would do great with Belichick, but.asserting that he would reap a ring bonanza is groundless opinion. It's akin to those who say Dominique Wilkens could have won six or more rings with Chicago.
I hate denigrating Mahomes because someday he might prove to be the GOAT. But many of the accolades are a form of recency bias, the infatuation over his arm talent, and the power by the quality personnel KC has on offense. Aaron Rodgers had that too... until he didn't. |
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| Steve007 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | ^
That's one of the reasons that the Chiefs won last year. Their defense was much, much better, especially against the pass. They still were very poor against the run, but this is a passing league now so if you can rush the passer, which they can do, and cover receivers fairly well, you have a chance. Especially when your offense is ungodly. |
Thatās true, but fwiw they were still pretty shaky in the playoffs which was one reason the team kept facing large deficits. But yes, they were much better. |
They were, but keep in mind their young safety, Juan Thornhill, who had a strong rookie year, tore his ACL at the end of the regular season and was not available for the playoffs. I believe that had some effect. And they did face a Texans team with DeAndre Hopkins and a Tennessee team that had a scalding-hot Ryan Tannehill and Derrick Henry.
This is just one person's opinion, but at their best, I have never seen anyone play the QB position better than three guys: Steve Young, Aaron Rodgers, and now Mahomes. I still have to give Brady the title of GOAT QB because of the resume and longevity and consistent winning. But yeah, Rodgers in his prime combined outstanding mobility with phenomenal arm talent and great accuracy, too. Steve Young didn't have a rocket arm but his mobility was great and his accuracy was just incredible, and he had that innate pocket presence that allowed him to avoid sacks. (Brady has that and Rodgers actually has struggled with that at times, even in his prime.) Even as Young aged into his mid-30's and the mobility lessened, he was still carving up defenses with precision passing. He led the NFL in passer rating at age 35 and 36 and led the league in TD passes at 37. He was finally KO'd for good in his age-38 season. I still maintain that at his best, he played the position better than anyone.
As far as Mahomes, he is basically playing like a turbocharged Rodgers in his prime, as far as I'm concerned. He's just an amazing player. |
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