Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:58 am Post subject: Damian Lillard Theory
I know it might be wishful thinking but there may be a potential path to landing Lillard. Note that next year he makes $31m. The years after, this is what he makes: $44m, $47m and $50m (it probably goes on). He also turns 30 in about a week from now (7/15).
He and CJ McCollum will make about 70% of the cap. For a team that will probably be on the playoff bubble for the foreseeable future, how feasible is this for Portland?
Other teams may be interested but what if according to rumors, Lillard is interested in playing with the Lakers (or Knicks ironically). As long as his agent doesn't make public statements and that it doesn't get as nasty as it did with AD and some other recent trade targets, I can see something potentially going down, maybe even this offseason.
Again very wishful thinking but cap-wise, it works with Kuzma, KCP, Danny Green, this year's pick and a future pick. Essentially Portland gets cap relief, picks and two solid players entering their primes in Kuzma and KCP. Anfernee Simons may be their next star point guard.
My point is though it may sound like a total pipe, it may not be that far fetched. He's a top 10 player but ask yourself who is willing to pay an average of $45-$50m a year for the next 4-5 years for a point guard playing into his mid 30's. Note that whichever team this is will also need help at the position. Perhaps Milwaukee? But then again they've shown they don't want to pay the tax. Toronto? But then will they be able to sign Giannis and keep most of their core? Dallas? But is a package of Tim Hardaway Junior, etc. better than what we might offer? Plus aren't they pursuing Giannis?
Curious to see what you all think his other options are but then again if his preference is to the Lakers and everything is done respectfully behind the scenes, is there a chance Portland honors it?
Hoping y'all will be inquisitive rather than dismissive in terms of this 'theory'.
I like Dame and he is a killer. But I would be a little leery of his contract given his age. Not sure how you salary match without LBJ/AD. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:14 am Post subject: Re: Damian Lillard Theory
Zubolo wrote:
I know it might be wishful thinking but there may be a potential path to landing Lillard. Note that next year he makes $31m. The years after, this is what he makes: $44m, $47m and $50m (it probably goes on). He also turns 30 in about a week from now (7/15).
He and CJ McCollum will make about 70% of the cap. For a team that will probably be on the playoff bubble for the foreseeable future, how feasible is this for Portland?
Other teams may be interested but what if according to rumors, Lillard is interested in playing with the Lakers (or Knicks ironically). As long as his agent doesn't make public statements and that it doesn't get as nasty as it did with AD and some other recent trade targets, I can see something potentially going down, maybe even this offseason.
Again very wishful thinking but cap-wise, it works with Kuzma, KCP, Danny Green, this year's pick and a future pick. Essentially Portland gets cap relief, picks and two solid players entering their primes in Kuzma and KCP. Anfernee Simons may be their next star point guard.
My point is though it may sound like a total pipe, it may not be that far fetched. He's a top 10 player but ask yourself who is willing to pay an average of $45-$50m a year for the next 4-5 years for a point guard playing into his mid 30's. Note that whichever team this is will also need help at the position. Perhaps Milwaukee? But then again they've shown they don't want to pay the tax. Toronto? But then will they be able to sign Giannis and keep most of their core? Dallas? But is a package of Tim Hardaway Junior, etc. better than what we might offer? Plus aren't they pursuing Giannis?
Curious to see what you all think his other options are but then again if his preference is to the Lakers and everything is done respectfully behind the scenes, is there a chance Portland honors it?
Hoping y'all will be inquisitive rather than dismissive in terms of this 'theory'.
Given that Lillard is locked up for 4-5 years, he doesn't have much leverage in dictating where he is traded to. I can't imagine why Portland would care what his preference is if they could get a better deal from someone else. They are on the hook to him for $220 million; that's "honor" enough.
Green and KCP probably wouldn't stick around long with them, so they are nothing more than expiring salaries. Kuz -- well, that depends what you think of him. Personally, I think they could get a better deal.
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Damian Lillard Theory
activeverb wrote:
Zubolo wrote:
I know it might be wishful thinking but there may be a potential path to landing Lillard. Note that next year he makes $31m. The years after, this is what he makes: $44m, $47m and $50m (it probably goes on). He also turns 30 in about a week from now (7/15).
He and CJ McCollum will make about 70% of the cap. For a team that will probably be on the playoff bubble for the foreseeable future, how feasible is this for Portland?
Other teams may be interested but what if according to rumors, Lillard is interested in playing with the Lakers (or Knicks ironically). As long as his agent doesn't make public statements and that it doesn't get as nasty as it did with AD and some other recent trade targets, I can see something potentially going down, maybe even this offseason.
Again very wishful thinking but cap-wise, it works with Kuzma, KCP, Danny Green, this year's pick and a future pick. Essentially Portland gets cap relief, picks and two solid players entering their primes in Kuzma and KCP. Anfernee Simons may be their next star point guard.
My point is though it may sound like a total pipe, it may not be that far fetched. He's a top 10 player but ask yourself who is willing to pay an average of $45-$50m a year for the next 4-5 years for a point guard playing into his mid 30's. Note that whichever team this is will also need help at the position. Perhaps Milwaukee? But then again they've shown they don't want to pay the tax. Toronto? But then will they be able to sign Giannis and keep most of their core? Dallas? But is a package of Tim Hardaway Junior, etc. better than what we might offer? Plus aren't they pursuing Giannis?
Curious to see what you all think his other options are but then again if his preference is to the Lakers and everything is done respectfully behind the scenes, is there a chance Portland honors it?
Hoping y'all will be inquisitive rather than dismissive in terms of this 'theory'.
Given that Lillard is locked up for 4-5 years, he doesn't have much leverage in dictating where he is traded to. I can't imagine why Portland would care what his preference is if they could get a better deal from someone else. They are on the hook to him for $220 million; that's "honor" enough.
Green and KCP probably wouldn't stick around long with them, so they are nothing more than expiring salaries. Kuz -- well, that depends what you think of him. Personally, I think they could get a better deal.
if the situation was ok, KCP and Green could have gone to other teams and get assets back.
The Knicks could put together a much better offer. They have the projected 6th pick in the draft, along with young talent like Barrett, Nitikina, Robinson, Randle, etc.
Lillard would be the perfect fit. But we might have a better chance of doing a smaller deal with Portland, like Kuzma for Simons and the 14th pick. Then turn around and try to combine #14 and other assets to try and get a 3rd star, like LaVine. We could also look into a deal with Detroit. Something like Kuzma, Caruso and THT for #5. Or Kuzma and THT for Kennard.
We could try to get the highest pick possible for some of our young talent, like Kuzma. WE could turn around and combine the pick with our expiring deals like Danny Green, in exchange for a star type of player, like LaVine.
The Lillard discussion merits no discussion, it’s such a fantasy that we have a better chance at getting Bradley Beal despite the fact that he is likely headed to Brooklyn.
The Lillard discussion merits no discussion, it’s such a fantasy that we have a better chance at getting Bradley Beal despite the fact that he is likely headed to Brooklyn.
I think there are paths, simply because of that salary number. COVID-19 will literally "change the game" of the entertainment industry - including sports entertainment - and teams in the middle are going to want more flexibility. Gate receipts will be depressed for two years, so only huge market teams with big TV deals and other revenue will be interested in players with $200 million dollar deals.
Of course, the Knicks would be a player and - as history has shown - if there's a non-Laker team with a comparable offer to the Lakers, the player will get traded to that team. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:09 pm Post subject:
Dr. Laker wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
The Lillard discussion merits no discussion, it’s such a fantasy that we have a better chance at getting Bradley Beal despite the fact that he is likely headed to Brooklyn.
I think there are paths, simply because of that salary number. COVID-19 will literally "change the game" of the entertainment industry - including sports entertainment - and teams in the middle are going to want more flexibility. Gate receipts will be depressed for two years, so only huge market teams with big TV deals and other revenue will be interested in players with $200 million dollar deals.
Of course, the Knicks would be a player and - as history has shown - if there's a non-Laker team with a comparable offer to the Lakers, the player will get traded to that team.
Our owners are some of the poorer owners in the league-- not sure they would want that contract. (See what they did with trading Odom for a late first rounder.) _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
The Lillard discussion merits no discussion, it’s such a fantasy that we have a better chance at getting Bradley Beal despite the fact that he is likely headed to Brooklyn.
I think there are paths, simply because of that salary number. COVID-19 will literally "change the game" of the entertainment industry - including sports entertainment - and teams in the middle are going to want more flexibility. Gate receipts will be depressed for two years, so only huge market teams with big TV deals and other revenue will be interested in players with $200 million dollar deals.
Of course, the Knicks would be a player and - as history has shown - if there's a non-Laker team with a comparable offer to the Lakers, the player will get traded to that team.
Our owners are some of the poorer owners in the league-- not sure they would want that contract. (See what they did with trading Odom for a late first rounder.)
Let’s remember when we traded Odom, Mitch Kupchak was our GM and Jim Buss was our owner. right now the current ownership is hungry for titles and they would obviously do anything in there power to get a guy like Lillard but it’s unlikely because the Blazers will send him to the East as fast as a Rocket or heck even to the Clippers before they even thinking about trading there prime guy to the Lakers, this discussion is pointless.
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: Damian Lillard Theory
Jesusdelonla wrote:
if the situation was ok, KCP and Green could have gone to other teams and get assets back.
but cap contraction, i dont see it
I guess you're saying they could do a sign-and-trade with those guys. Maybe they could get a good deal; maybe not. In any case, I don't see them trading Lillard unless they get a good payoff from the get-go.
Personally, I think this speculation is nothing more than filling space.
The Lillard discussion merits no discussion, it’s such a fantasy that we have a better chance at getting Bradley Beal despite the fact that he is likely headed to Brooklyn.
I think there are paths, simply because of that salary number. COVID-19 will literally "change the game" of the entertainment industry - including sports entertainment - and teams in the middle are going to want more flexibility. Gate receipts will be depressed for two years, so only huge market teams with big TV deals and other revenue will be interested in players with $200 million dollar deals.
Of course, the Knicks would be a player and - as history has shown - if there's a non-Laker team with a comparable offer to the Lakers, the player will get traded to that team.
Our owners are some of the poorer owners in the league-- not sure they would want that contract. (See what they did with trading Odom for a late first rounder.)
If they think it will put them over the top, they'll pull the trigger on a deal. They've never thrown money away - Dr. Buss was cheap - but they will spend money to get to the next level.
When Kareem retired, the Lakers spent big money signing Sam Perkins and then tried to trade for Hot Rod Williams' "poison pill" contract (Hot Rod was the highest paid player in the NBA that year) because they wanted to maximize Magic Johnson's peak years.
In fact, the only "bad" contracts I can ever recall them giving out were the MozDeng deals. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:18 pm Post subject:
yinoma2001 wrote:
I like Dame and he is a killer. But I would be a little leery of his contract given his age. Not sure how you salary match without LBJ/AD.
Agree and all we have heard is that Lillard wants to end his career in Portland. Consider the rumor, someone says that “if” Lillard wanted to be traded, someone who isn’t any kind of an insider. And naturally the “destination” is your typical rumor two largest markets. If Portland wants to trade him they will likely want an AD/Paul George kind of trade. Interesting enough, the Knicks might be able to do that. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:22 pm Post subject:
scoobs wrote:
We could try to get the highest pick possible for some of our young talent, like Kuzma. WE could turn around and combine the pick with our expiring deals like Danny Green, in exchange for a star type of player, like LaVine.
I doubt that Kuzma could get us anything in the first round _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:30 pm Post subject:
Dr. Laker wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
The Lillard discussion merits no discussion, it’s such a fantasy that we have a better chance at getting Bradley Beal despite the fact that he is likely headed to Brooklyn.
I think there are paths, simply because of that salary number. COVID-19 will literally "change the game" of the entertainment industry - including sports entertainment - and teams in the middle are going to want more flexibility. Gate receipts will be depressed for two years, so only huge market teams with big TV deals and other revenue will be interested in players with $200 million dollar deals.
Of course, the Knicks would be a player and - as history has shown - if there's a non-Laker team with a comparable offer to the Lakers, the player will get traded to that team.
Our owners are some of the poorer owners in the league-- not sure they would want that contract. (See what they did with trading Odom for a late first rounder.)
If they think it will put them over the top, they'll pull the trigger on a deal. They've never thrown money away - Dr. Buss was cheap - but they will spend money to get to the next level.
When Kareem retired, the Lakers spent big money signing Sam Perkins and then tried to trade for Hot Rod Williams' "poison pill" contract (Hot Rod was the highest paid player in the NBA that year) because they wanted to maximize Magic Johnson's peak years.
In fact, the only "bad" contracts I can ever recall them giving out were the MozDeng deals.
They could be paying $150 mil for Lillard, Lebron and AD. Plus the resulting luxury tax. Even if they could afford it, the team would struggle to be competitive. We would be better off keeping salary to put players around AD and Lebron. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
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