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I think you’re dyslexic

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:09 pm    Post subject:

I got a spicy take for you guys.

Jaylen Brown > Jayson Tatum
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:12 pm    Post subject:

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I got a spicy take for you guys.

Jaylen Brown > Jayson Tatum


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:40 pm    Post subject:

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I got a spicy take for you guys.

Jaylen Brown > Jayson Tatum


No.
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I got a spicy take for you guys.

Jaylen Brown > Jayson Tatum


No.


Why. What makes Tatum better? To me it's not a no brainer. Just wondering what you are considering that I am not.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:18 pm    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
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I got a spicy take for you guys.

Jaylen Brown > Jayson Tatum


No.


Why. What makes Tatum better? To me it's not a no brainer. Just wondering what you are considering that I am not.

Brown has posted a sub - 1:1 A/TO ratio every year he's been in the league. Tatum is currently a subpar playmaker for a primary initiator, but he's at least improved as a passer over his first three seasons whereas Brown has remained stagnant as a playmaker.

You can't run your offense through Brown.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:32 am    Post subject:

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kikanga wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
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I got a spicy take for you guys.

Jaylen Brown > Jayson Tatum


No.


Why. What makes Tatum better? To me it's not a no brainer. Just wondering what you are considering that I am not.

Brown has posted a sub - 1:1 A/TO ratio every year he's been in the league. Tatum is currently a subpar playmaker for a primary initiator, but he's at least improved as a passer over his first three seasons whereas Brown has remained stagnant as a playmaker.

You can't run your offense through Brown.


Agreed.

Their regular season stats may be close, but it's different when Tatum is basically the #1/#2 option and putting up those numbers, while Jaylen is #3/#4.

No one is looking for Jaylen to run an offense, especially with a "negative turnover rate" that's less than 1:1.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:07 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
kikanga wrote:
I got a spicy take for you guys.

Jaylen Brown > Jayson Tatum


No.


Why. What makes Tatum better? To me it's not a no brainer. Just wondering what you are considering that I am not.

Brown has posted a sub - 1:1 A/TO ratio every year he's been in the league. Tatum is currently a subpar playmaker for a primary initiator, but he's at least improved as a passer over his first three seasons whereas Brown has remained stagnant as a playmaker.

You can't run your offense through Brown.


Agreed.

Their regular season stats may be close, but it's different when Tatum is basically the #1/#2 option and putting up those numbers, while Jaylen is #3/#4.

No one is looking for Jaylen to run an offense, especially with a "negative turnover rate" that's less than 1:1.


Jaylen Brown on a max contract will look like Tobias Harris on one. He's good, but, yeah, not that good.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:13 am    Post subject:

ChickenStu wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
kikanga wrote:
I got a spicy take for you guys.

Jaylen Brown > Jayson Tatum


No.


Why. What makes Tatum better? To me it's not a no brainer. Just wondering what you are considering that I am not.

Brown has posted a sub - 1:1 A/TO ratio every year he's been in the league. Tatum is currently a subpar playmaker for a primary initiator, but he's at least improved as a passer over his first three seasons whereas Brown has remained stagnant as a playmaker.

You can't run your offense through Brown.


Agreed.

Their regular season stats may be close, but it's different when Tatum is basically the #1/#2 option and putting up those numbers, while Jaylen is #3/#4.

No one is looking for Jaylen to run an offense, especially with a "negative turnover rate" that's less than 1:1.


Jaylen Brown on a max contract will look like Tobias Harris on one. He's good, but, yeah, not that good.


I still think a good baseline is, "Is this player an All-Star?" If yes, even if he's on and off the roster, he's likely to be worth a max contract.

Otherwise...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:36 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
kikanga wrote:
I got a spicy take for you guys.

Jaylen Brown > Jayson Tatum


No.


Why. What makes Tatum better? To me it's not a no brainer. Just wondering what you are considering that I am not.

Brown has posted a sub - 1:1 A/TO ratio every year he's been in the league. Tatum is currently a subpar playmaker for a primary initiator, but he's at least improved as a passer over his first three seasons whereas Brown has remained stagnant as a playmaker.

You can't run your offense through Brown.


Agreed.

Their regular season stats may be close, but it's different when Tatum is basically the #1/#2 option and putting up those numbers, while Jaylen is #3/#4.

No one is looking for Jaylen to run an offense, especially with a "negative turnover rate" that's less than 1:1.


Jaylen Brown on a max contract will look like Tobias Harris on one. He's good, but, yeah, not that good.


I still think a good baseline is, "Is this player an All-Star?" If yes, even if he's on and off the roster, he's likely to be worth a max contract.

Otherwise...


Yikes. pretty low standard for a max contract, sheesh. Great controversial opinion!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:59 am    Post subject:

Alright here goes nothing -

Steve Nash is not a top 10 point guard of all-time.

Point guards I would take over Nash (not ranked, 'cept for magic, just as they came to me):
1. Magic
2. Zeke
3. Oscar
4. Steph
5. CP3
6. GP
7. Stockton
8. Kidd
9. Frazier
10. Cousy
11. Archibald (pre-Achilles)

I'd even consider a couple guys that are probably a tier lower than Nash, but who lead their teams to actual success and played both sides: Billups, Lowry.

Maybe D-Lill, although he's also a cruddy defender. I'll also cheat and say D-Wade was actually a PG and I'd take him 10/10 times over Nash.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:53 am    Post subject:

Cutheon wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
kikanga wrote:
I got a spicy take for you guys.

Jaylen Brown > Jayson Tatum


No.


Why. What makes Tatum better? To me it's not a no brainer. Just wondering what you are considering that I am not.

Brown has posted a sub - 1:1 A/TO ratio every year he's been in the league. Tatum is currently a subpar playmaker for a primary initiator, but he's at least improved as a passer over his first three seasons whereas Brown has remained stagnant as a playmaker.

You can't run your offense through Brown.


Agreed.

Their regular season stats may be close, but it's different when Tatum is basically the #1/#2 option and putting up those numbers, while Jaylen is #3/#4.

No one is looking for Jaylen to run an offense, especially with a "negative turnover rate" that's less than 1:1.


Jaylen Brown on a max contract will look like Tobias Harris on one. He's good, but, yeah, not that good.


I still think a good baseline is, "Is this player an All-Star?" If yes, even if he's on and off the roster, he's likely to be worth a max contract.

Otherwise...


Yikes. pretty low standard for a max contract, sheesh. Great controversial opinion!


Is it? I'm surprised. I usually hear the opposite.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:00 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Cutheon wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
kikanga wrote:
I got a spicy take for you guys.

Jaylen Brown > Jayson Tatum


No.


Why. What makes Tatum better? To me it's not a no brainer. Just wondering what you are considering that I am not.

Brown has posted a sub - 1:1 A/TO ratio every year he's been in the league. Tatum is currently a subpar playmaker for a primary initiator, but he's at least improved as a passer over his first three seasons whereas Brown has remained stagnant as a playmaker.

You can't run your offense through Brown.


Agreed.

Their regular season stats may be close, but it's different when Tatum is basically the #1/#2 option and putting up those numbers, while Jaylen is #3/#4.

No one is looking for Jaylen to run an offense, especially with a "negative turnover rate" that's less than 1:1.


Jaylen Brown on a max contract will look like Tobias Harris on one. He's good, but, yeah, not that good.


I still think a good baseline is, "Is this player an All-Star?" If yes, even if he's on and off the roster, he's likely to be worth a max contract.

Otherwise...


Yikes. pretty low standard for a max contract, sheesh. Great controversial opinion!


Is it? I'm surprised. I usually hear the opposite.


There's plenty of all-stars in this league. I'd wager enough of them are not worth anywhere between 25 to 35% of one team's cap, such that your heuristic might need some reworking. I mean, can you imagine committing a quarter of your team's cap to CJ McCollum? That's a fast-track to playoff mediocrity.

Also, I'm really focusing on the "worth" notion. Likely to receive a max contract, yes, I agree, as NBA GM's are desperate to keep their jobs and signing the blake griffin's of the world to a max contract -- which may be the only way to get a player like that to some of these lower tier franchises - is typically enough to save a GM's job for at least a season (although such signings usually doom these GM's as well). But "worth" - as in, deserving of that value and providing equal value in return to the franchise, I'm far more skeptical that simply making an all-star team, or being capable of making an all-star team, is worthy of a max contract.

Let me put it this way. I would not have given Khris Middleton a max contract. Would you?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:28 am    Post subject:

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Let me put it this way. I would not have given Khris Middleton a max contract. Would you?


Yes. But I believe in the idea of building around 3 star players (most teams go with two) and Middleton is the best "3" guy out there.

I don't know how sustainable it is, but as a #2 guy for MIL, he was basically a 50/40/90 player at 20/6/4.

That's historic stuff. Peak year for him. I definitely think that's worth max money for 4-5 year term assuming he maintains 90% of that kind of ability.

His game isn't reliant on vertical or quicks or speed. So now, that skill set is robust too.
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Hakeem Olajuwon is better than Jordan. If Jordan didn't retire to play baseball we would have seen back to back proofs of this claim.

This claim is two-fold controversial, it rates Hakeem higher than he normally is (I've seen him out of the top ten in place of a player he is definitely better than - Tim Duncan). The second way its controversial is I rate Jordan's supporting cast better than people seem to. I think of Pippen as a godsend to Jordan's game, and he should be rated higher but I feel people underrate him to make Jordan seem better.

Pippen was perhaps the best perimeter defender of his time, and I'll defend that to the mat more than I will other claims. He made the All-Defensive team every year in the 90s, and 8 of those years he was 1st. He also ran a lot of their offense, and defended the opposing team's best player. His passing is very underrated, that team would not have been as good without Pippen.

Olajuwon is underrated, listed at 12th all time by ESPN, people forget how good of a defender he was while also being an excellent rebounder. His post offense was second only to Kareem imo. His face up game was ahead of its time and he did this during the bigman era.

Unfortunately he had key players go down with injuries/addiction that took away from his success. He had bad coaching throughout his career, with his best coach being probably Rudy Tomjonavich of all people. Then they mortgaged their future (young Sam Cassell and Robert Horry) for an old Charles Barkley of all things.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:14 pm    Post subject:

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I still think a good baseline is, "Is this player an All-Star?" If yes, even if he's on and off the roster, he's likely to be worth a max contract.

Otherwise...


Funny you mention that. I think Jaylen deserved the allstar selection over Tatum this season (up to that point in the season). I wasn't alone thinking that either. https://www.nba.com/blogtable-east-reserves-2019-20-all-star-game

But looking at both players stats. Tatum has been better this playoffs, no question. The dude is averaging 9.9 RPG!
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I still think a good baseline is, "Is this player an All-Star?" If yes, even if he's on and off the roster, he's likely to be worth a max contract.

Otherwise...


Funny you mention that. I think Jaylen deserved the allstar selection over Tatum this season (up to that point in the season). I wasn't alone thinking that either. https://www.nba.com/blogtable-east-reserves-2019-20-all-star-game

But looking at both players stats. Tatum has been better this playoffs, no question. The dude is averaging 9.9 RPG!


Yeah, those opinions are why I tend to disagree with media, even if it's NBA.com or even some NBA staff.

Tatum has been better in the playoffs because he's the more skilled player, and baseline statistics don't show that clearly. Yet, some media people, and even NBA people, still bank on that for making some conclusions.
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Hakeem Olajuwon is better than Jordan. If Jordan didn't retire to play baseball we would have seen back to back proofs of this claim.

This claim is two-fold controversial, it rates Hakeem higher than he normally is (I've seen him out of the top ten in place of a player he is definitely better than - Tim Duncan). The second way its controversial is I rate Jordan's supporting cast better than people seem to. I think of Pippen as a godsend to Jordan's game, and he should be rated higher but I feel people underrate him to make Jordan seem better.

Pippen was perhaps the best perimeter defender of his time, and I'll defend that to the mat more than I will other claims. He made the All-Defensive team every year in the 90s, and 8 of those years he was 1st. He also ran a lot of their offense, and defended the opposing team's best player. His passing is very underrated, that team would not have been as good without Pippen.

Olajuwon is underrated, listed at 12th all time by ESPN, people forget how good of a defender he was while also being an excellent rebounder. His post offense was second only to Kareem imo. His face up game was ahead of its time and he did this during the bigman era.

Unfortunately he had key players go down with injuries/addiction that took away from his success. He had bad coaching throughout his career, with his best coach being probably Rudy Tomjonavich of all people. Then they mortgaged their future (young Sam Cassell and Robert Horry) for an old Charles Barkley of all things.
These are some pretty strong arguments, and the first sentence is definitely controversial. Do you see Hakeem as better than Kareem? Pippen seemed like he was literally the perfect player to mesh with Jordan. Take over some ball handling, defend anybody at any position, score, pass, play second fiddle, be another crazy athletic wing guy as needed, shoot from outside, play two ways. I am trying to think of some great top 10 player who had a second player that was not just a great match, but a perfect match. It obviously wasn't Kobe and Shaq (imperfect). Maybe Bird and McHale?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:41 am    Post subject:

Pippen also ran the locker room, since Jordan was both uninterested in it and not liked well enough to do it.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:55 am    Post subject:

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Steve Nash is not a top 10 point guard of all-time.

Point guards I would take over Nash (not ranked, 'cept for magic, just as they came to me):
1. Magic
2. Zeke
3. Oscar
4. Steph
5. CP3
6. GP
7. Stockton
8. Kidd
9. Frazier
10. Cousy
11. Archibald (pre-Achilles)

I'd even consider a couple guys that are probably a tier lower than Nash, but who lead their teams to actual success and played both sides: Billups, Lowry.

Maybe D-Lill, although he's also a cruddy defender. I'll also cheat and say D-Wade was actually a PG and I'd take him 10/10 times over Nash.


Agree with the first 7, no way I take Kidd over Nash...
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:35 am    Post subject:

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Alright here goes nothing -

Steve Nash is not a top 10 point guard of all-time.

Point guards I would take over Nash (not ranked, 'cept for magic, just as they came to me):
1. Magic
2. Zeke
3. Oscar
4. Steph
5. CP3
6. GP
7. Stockton
8. Kidd
9. Frazier
10. Cousy
11. Archibald (pre-Achilles)

I'd even consider a couple guys that are probably a tier lower than Nash, but who lead their teams to actual success and played both sides: Billups, Lowry.

Maybe D-Lill, although he's also a cruddy defender. I'll also cheat and say D-Wade was actually a PG and I'd take him 10/10 times over Nash.


Agree with the first 7, no way I take Kidd over Nash...


Is it really that controversial if I have CP3 #2 on that list?
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