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One thought I just had. If Christian Cooper doesn't testify and Amy Cooper doesn't take the stand, how would the DA actually present its case?

How would they tell the story of what happened? There's only 2 people that were actually there: Christian and Amy Cooper.

I just don't know how they present their case at that point.


As I said I'm not an attorney. So I'm saying what i'd do if I were. If I were the DA I'd force Christian to cooperate. I'd subpoena him.



Which goes back to my original point. If I were Christian Cooper, I'd think again about refusing to testify.

It'd be beneficial for the black community and it'd be hard for the DA to win the case w/o his cooperation.

Your original point was you support Christian Cooper not testifying. You feel it's a slam dunk case with just the video and they didn't need Christian's testimony. Now you are saying if you were the DA, you'd subpoena him and force him to testify. You're kinda all over the place.

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One thought I just had. If Christian Cooper doesn't testify and Amy Cooper doesn't take the stand, how would the DA actually present its case?

How would they tell the story of what happened? There's only 2 people that were actually there: Christian and Amy Cooper.

I just don't know how they present their case at that point.


As I said I'm not an attorney. So I'm saying what i'd do if I were. If I were the DA I'd force Christian to cooperate. I'd subpoena him.



Which goes back to my original point. If I were Christian Cooper, I'd think again about refusing to testify.

It'd be beneficial for the black community and it'd be hard for the DA to win the case w/o his cooperation.


Definitely would be. But forcing a victim to. testify against their will is rarely a good look for a DA, especially over such a relatively minor infraction in regards to the law (which is not to say there is is not an important societal issue involved).

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Your original point was you support Christian Cooper not testifying. You feel it's a slam dunk case with just the video and they didn't need Christian's testimony. Now you are saying if you were the DA, you'd subpoena him and force him to testify. You're kinda all over the place.


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jodeke wrote:
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One thought I just had. If Christian Cooper doesn't testify and Amy Cooper doesn't take the stand, how would the DA actually present its case?

How would they tell the story of what happened? There's only 2 people that were actually there: Christian and Amy Cooper.

I just don't know how they present their case at that point.


As I said I'm not an attorney. So I'm saying what i'd do if I were. If I were the DA I'd force Christian to cooperate. I'd subpoena him.



Which goes back to my original point. If I were Christian Cooper, I'd think again about refusing to testify.

It'd be beneficial for the black community and it'd be hard for the DA to win the case w/o his cooperation.


Definitely would be. But forcing a victim to. testify against their will is rarely a good look for a DA, especially over such a relatively minor infraction in regards to the law (which is not to say there is is not an important societal issue involved).

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Your original point was you support Christian Cooper not testifying. You feel it's a slam dunk case with just the video and they didn't need Christian's testimony. Now you are saying if you were the DA, you'd subpoena him and force him to testify. You're kinda all over the place.


Par for the course with jodeke.

I really love it when a White person notes to a Black person what's good for the Black community. Walk a mile in my shoes. Think MLK, peaceful protest.
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jodeke wrote:
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LongBeachPoly wrote:
jodeke wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
One thought I just had. If Christian Cooper doesn't testify and Amy Cooper doesn't take the stand, how would the DA actually present its case?

How would they tell the story of what happened? There's only 2 people that were actually there: Christian and Amy Cooper.

I just don't know how they present their case at that point.


As I said I'm not an attorney. So I'm saying what i'd do if I were. If I were the DA I'd force Christian to cooperate. I'd subpoena him.



Which goes back to my original point. If I were Christian Cooper, I'd think again about refusing to testify.

It'd be beneficial for the black community and it'd be hard for the DA to win the case w/o his cooperation.


Definitely would be. But forcing a victim to. testify against their will is rarely a good look for a DA, especially over such a relatively minor infraction in regards to the law (which is not to say there is is not an important societal issue involved).

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Your original point was you support Christian Cooper not testifying. You feel it's a slam dunk case with just the video and they didn't need Christian's testimony. Now you are saying if you were the DA, you'd subpoena him and force him to testify. You're kinda all over the place.


Par for the course with jodeke.

I really love it when a White person notes to a Black person what's good for the Black community. Walk a mile in my shoes. Think MLK, peaceful protest.


You disagree that pursuing this case successfully would be beneficial for the black community?

Then why are you arguing so vehemently for a successful out come to it?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:33 pm    Post subject:

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jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
jodeke wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
One thought I just had. If Christian Cooper doesn't testify and Amy Cooper doesn't take the stand, how would the DA actually present its case?

How would they tell the story of what happened? There's only 2 people that were actually there: Christian and Amy Cooper.

I just don't know how they present their case at that point.


As I said I'm not an attorney. So I'm saying what i'd do if I were. If I were the DA I'd force Christian to cooperate. I'd subpoena him.



Which goes back to my original point. If I were Christian Cooper, I'd think again about refusing to testify.

It'd be beneficial for the black community and it'd be hard for the DA to win the case w/o his cooperation.


Definitely would be. But forcing a victim to. testify against their will is rarely a good look for a DA, especially over such a relatively minor infraction in regards to the law (which is not to say there is is not an important societal issue involved).

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Your original point was you support Christian Cooper not testifying. You feel it's a slam dunk case with just the video and they didn't need Christian's testimony. Now you are saying if you were the DA, you'd subpoena him and force him to testify. You're kinda all over the place.


Par for the course with jodeke.

I really love it when a White person notes to a Black person what's good for the Black community. Walk a mile in my shoes. Think MLK, peaceful protest.


You disagree that pursuing this case successfully would be beneficial for the black community?

Then why are you arguing so vehemently for a successful out come to it?

No, I think pursuing the case successfully would be beneficial. I think the DA can win without Christian as attested to by a criminal attorney.

He's a great example of how to confront racism. He doesn't have to go to court to show that. His action is the example. He didn't go off on Amy, he was polite, articulate and unafraid. Again, think MLK.

LS & LC in da house! Must be adhering to stay at home and social distancing.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:21 pm    Post subject:

jodeke wrote:
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I really love it when a White person notes to a Black person what's good for the Black community. Walk a mile in my shoes. Think MLK, peaceful protest.


You disagree that pursuing this case successfully would be beneficial for the black community?

Then why are you arguing so vehemently for a successful out come to it?

No, I think pursuing the case successfully would be beneficial. I think the DA can win without Christian as attested to by a criminal attorney. [/quote]

There's an old saying that goes, "Free legal advice is worth way you pay for it".

I'd be careful putting much weight in what one attorney, uninvolved with the case, says as a simply piece of personal opinion on the matter.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:38 pm    Post subject:

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I really love it when a White person notes to a Black person what's good for the Black community. Walk a mile in my shoes. Think MLK, peaceful protest.


You disagree that pursuing this case successfully would be beneficial for the black community?

Then why are you arguing so vehemently for a successful out come to it?

No, I think pursuing the case successfully would be beneficial. I think the DA can win without Christian as attested to by a criminal attorney.


There's an old saying that goes, "Free legal advice is worth way you pay for it".

I'd be careful putting much weight in what one attorney, uninvolved with the case, says as a simply piece of personal opinion on the matter.[/quote]

Oh really? I should put more weight on your personal opinion, a novice, than I should the personal opinion of a lawyer?

I have a saying of my own. Read, Dissect, Assimilate. Haven't said that in real long time. 😀
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:43 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:47 pm    Post subject:

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Oh really? I should put more weight on your personal opinion, a novice, than I should the personal opinion of a lawyer?


And where did I say that?

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I have a saying of my own. Read, Dissect, Assimilate. Haven't said that in real long time. 😀


Clearly you might want to do a better job of that.
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Oh really? I should put more weight on your personal opinion, a novice, than I should the personal opinion of a lawyer?


And where did I say that?

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I have a saying of my own. Read, Dissect, Assimilate. Haven't said that in real long time. 😀


Clearly you might want to do a better job of that.

Didn't say you said it, asked a question.

I read. We have different interpretations. Did you read what I posted? If so why did you ask that question? You're the one who needs to do a better job.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:13 pm    Post subject:

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Definitely would be. But forcing a victim to. testify against their will is rarely a good look for a DA, especially over such a relatively minor infraction in regards to the law (which is not to say there is is not an important societal issue involved).


Yup, which is why I don’t see them forcing him to cooperate.

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Par for the course with jodeke.


Yeah, I’m starting to see this pattern.
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Definitely would be. But forcing a victim to. testify against their will is rarely a good look for a DA, especially over such a relatively minor infraction in regards to the law (which is not to say there is is not an important [i]societal issue involved[/i]).


Yup, which is why I don’t see them forcing him to cooperate.

DaMuleRules wrote:
Par for the course with jodeke.


Yeah, I’m starting to see this pattern.


What's more important, how a DA looks or justice?

The social issue is the crux of the prosecution. I don't have proof but I believe she knew what she was doing when she said 'There's an African American man threatening my life' In today's climate that's endangering.

If Christian were White do you think she would have said "There's a White man threatening my life?'
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