Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 90306 Location: Formerly Known As 24
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:10 pm Post subject:
I love the work of both. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
Joined: 15 Sep 2012 Posts: 29282 Location: La La Land
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:00 pm Post subject:
Watched the first episode of Simon's new show The Plot Against America.
I wasn't really in to it. Maybe I'll wait till the season's over. Then give episodes 2 and 3 a shot and see if I wanna finish the rest. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
Joined: 25 Apr 2015 Posts: 31912 Location: Anaheim, CA
Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:43 am Post subject:
Favorite 2 Aaron Sorkin "monologues": Jack Nicholson's Col. Jessup in A Few Good Men and Michael Douglas' President Shepherd in The American President.
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Yep, it gets better, though I thought the first episode was good,too.
The only thing that bothers me about the show is John Torturro's accent. It's so over the top and fake, it's distracting. _________________ ¡Hala Madrid!
Joined: 15 Nov 2006 Posts: 19864 Location: Prarie & Manchester, high above the western sideline
Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:23 pm Post subject:
there's a sanctimony to sorkin's writing that makes his characters less engaging, almost like the characters themselves are competing for a tony award.
Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 90306 Location: Formerly Known As 24
Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:36 pm Post subject:
C M B wrote:
there's a sanctimony to sorkin's writing that makes his characters less engaging, almost like the characters themselves are competing for a tony award.
simon is both funnier and more sober
I think that’s a shallow read on Sorkin because HE is a sentimental idealist at heart, as are many of his protagonists, but they are surrounded by dense, complex characters. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
Joined: 15 Nov 2006 Posts: 19864 Location: Prarie & Manchester, high above the western sideline
Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:55 pm Post subject:
Omar Little wrote:
C M B wrote:
there's a sanctimony to sorkin's writing that makes his characters less engaging, almost like the characters themselves are competing for a tony award.
simon is both funnier and more sober
I think that’s a shallow read on Sorkin because HE is a sentimental idealist at heart, as are many of his protagonists, but they are surrounded by dense, complex characters.
fair take...my biggest problem is the second part of that: it seems like every character in the sorkin universes has something exceptional or witty to say in their speaking parts. This is especially true in The Newsroom, The West Wing, and A Few Good Men. _________________ http://chickhearn.ytmnd.com/
Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 90306 Location: Formerly Known As 24
Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:06 pm Post subject:
C M B wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
C M B wrote:
there's a sanctimony to sorkin's writing that makes his characters less engaging, almost like the characters themselves are competing for a tony award.
simon is both funnier and more sober
I think that’s a shallow read on Sorkin because HE is a sentimental idealist at heart, as are many of his protagonists, but they are surrounded by dense, complex characters.
fair take...my biggest problem is the second part of that: it seems like every character in the sorkin universes has something exceptional or witty to say in their speaking parts. This is especially true in The Newsroom, The West Wing, and A Few Good Men.
In a world where people fawn over Tarantino’s dialogue, there ought to be room for guys like Sorkin. He’s a sentimental Mamet. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
I like Sorkin's work, his dialogue has a rhythm to it that helps keep the plot moving at all times, without delving into pointless or gratuitous banter. He definitely has a great feel for that stuff. Much like Tarantino. I'm not familiar with David Simon's work, so I couldn't speak as to who's better.
Joined: 15 Nov 2006 Posts: 19864 Location: Prarie & Manchester, high above the western sideline
Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:15 am Post subject:
panamaniac wrote:
I like Sorkin's work, his dialogue has a rhythm to it that helps keep the plot moving at all times, without delving into pointless or gratuitous banter. He definitely has a great feel for that stuff. Much like Tarantino. I'm not familiar with David Simon's work, so I couldn't speak as to who's better.
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude. At some point in your adult life you have been proselytized to about this show so I apologize if this makes me just one more of those guys, but do you have about 3600 minutes to spare for watching The Wire? I guarantee that it will be the most enthralling TV program you've ever watched, unless you've seen The Sopranos. _________________ http://chickhearn.ytmnd.com/
I like Sorkin's work, his dialogue has a rhythm to it that helps keep the plot moving at all times, without delving into pointless or gratuitous banter. He definitely has a great feel for that stuff. Much like Tarantino. I'm not familiar with David Simon's work, so I couldn't speak as to who's better.
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude. At some point in your adult life you have been proselytized to about this show so I apologize if this makes me just one more of those guys, but do you have about 3600 minutes to spare for watching The Wire? I guarantee that it will be the most enthralling TV program you've ever watched, unless you've seen The Sopranos.
Just gotta power through season 2. _________________ Under New Management
Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 90306 Location: Formerly Known As 24
Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:14 am Post subject:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
C M B wrote:
panamaniac wrote:
I like Sorkin's work, his dialogue has a rhythm to it that helps keep the plot moving at all times, without delving into pointless or gratuitous banter. He definitely has a great feel for that stuff. Much like Tarantino. I'm not familiar with David Simon's work, so I couldn't speak as to who's better.
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude. At some point in your adult life you have been proselytized to about this show so I apologize if this makes me just one more of those guys, but do you have about 3600 minutes to spare for watching The Wire? I guarantee that it will be the most enthralling TV program you've ever watched, unless you've seen The Sopranos.
Just gotta power through season 2.
I try to watch the wire front to back each year. I’ve seen the whole thing in order at least ten times. And season two just keeps getting better, every time I watch it (#nobeetlejuice) _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
I like Sorkin's work, his dialogue has a rhythm to it that helps keep the plot moving at all times, without delving into pointless or gratuitous banter. He definitely has a great feel for that stuff. Much like Tarantino. I'm not familiar with David Simon's work, so I couldn't speak as to who's better.
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude. At some point in your adult life you have been proselytized to about this show so I apologize if this makes me just one more of those guys, but do you have about 3600 minutes to spare for watching The Wire? I guarantee that it will be the most enthralling TV program you've ever watched, unless you've seen The Sopranos.
Just gotta power through season 2.
I try to watch the wire front to back each year. I’ve seen the whole thing in order at least ten times. And season two just keeps getting better, every time I watch it (#nobeetlejuice)
It's grown on me a lot outside of Brother Mouzone. _________________ Under New Management
Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 90306 Location: Formerly Known As 24
Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:16 am Post subject:
Season two is as important to the story arc as any other, it’s just a jarring turn from what people expected after season one. They were angry not to be back with the established characters. But the whole story is a pre-set arc. Even the last season. It’s a parable and all of it matters. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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