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DancingBarry
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| Wilt wrote: | More good news!
My dad was able to sit on a chair and move his arms and legs a little. He requires less oxygen each day. He even was able to communicate with the doctors and nurses in English. They feared that he wouldn't know what's going on, but he knows he has COVID and that he has been in the hospital for a month.
They are already thinking about a possible transfer to a different facility for rehab, including speech therapy.
The doctors are astounded by the progress, all of which happened in the last four days.
This is not the end of the process, as there will be setbacks. But my tough dad was on the ventilator for a whole month and somehow got off it. |
Keep it going. 
Didn't even think about speech therapy but, yeah, being intubated that long leaves some issues. |
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| DancingBarry wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | Did shutting down outdoor dining contribute to California's COVID-19 surge?
| Quote: | Despite the ban, California has had one of the worst winter COVID-19 surges in the country, which begs the following question: Is it possible that shutting down outdoor dining made the state's surge even worse?
Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease expert at UCSF, believes it's highly likely.
"We won’t be able to know the exact percentage it drove, but I would say closing outdoor dining certainly did not help and likely hindered efforts to avoid a surge," she said. "It shut down in early December, and things did not get better from there; things actually got worse. Restrictions should be about understanding the human condition and keeping places that are safe open. Those of us who argue for a harm reduction approach have the same goal as the lockdownists: We want to reduce transmission, but we understand the human condition and the need to be with people." |
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All the places around me that were doing outdoor dining went ahead and continued to do outdoor dining. I didn't see a single difference in our area of OC. |
A lot of the "outdoor" dining places are in hermetically sealed tents that are probably worse than being indoors because there's even less airflow.
Stupid gunna be Stupid. And then they take it home to family and co-workers. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Wilt wrote: | More good news!
My dad was able to sit on a chair and move his arms and legs a little. He requires less oxygen each day. He even was able to communicate with the doctors and nurses in English. They feared that he wouldn't know what's going on, but he knows he has COVID and that he has been in the hospital for a month.
They are already thinking about a possible transfer to a different facility for rehab, including speech therapy.
The doctors are astounded by the progress, all of which happened in the last four days.
This is not the end of the process, as there will be setbacks. But my tough dad was on the ventilator for a whole month and somehow got off it. |
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Excellent news Wilt! Your dad is a tough guy obviously.
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I used the Bing translator for this...
Sretno, gospodine.
(Bosnian for: "Good luck, sir.")
That's for your dad, Wilt.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Wilt wrote: | More good news!
My dad was able to sit on a chair and move his arms and legs a little. He requires less oxygen each day. He even was able to communicate with the doctors and nurses in English. They feared that he wouldn't know what's going on, but he knows he has COVID and that he has been in the hospital for a month.
They are already thinking about a possible transfer to a different facility for rehab, including speech therapy.
The doctors are astounded by the progress, all of which happened in the last four days.
This is not the end of the process, as there will be setbacks. But my tough dad was on the ventilator for a whole month and somehow got off it. |
That's good news. Ol Dad ain't ready to go! I'll send up another one. 🙏🏾
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California Covid Deaths for January 22, 2021
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39,725,839 Tests Performed
39,725,839 Results Rec'd (0 PENDING)
3,062,068 POSITIVE
36,663,771 NEGATIVE
Day.......#..Day........#..Day........#
1/01/2021 585
1/02/2021 386
1/03/2021 181
1/04/2021 97
1/05/2021 368
1/06/2021 459
1/07/2021 583
1/08/2021 493
1/09/2021 695
1/10/2021 468
1/11/2021 264
1/12/2021 548
1/13/2021 589
1/14/2021 552
1/15/2021 637
1/16/2021 669
1/17/2021 432
1/18/2021 201
1/19/2021 146
1/20/2021 694
1/21/2021 571
1/22/2021 764
.....TOTAL 35,768
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https://update.covid19.ca.gov/
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It's hard to look at this and other blue states like Illinois and Wisconsin opening and think some lockdowns weren't political. Numbers aren't getting better. What really changed? Can someone help me out here? |
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| Lockdowns only work when you are trying to contain a virus from entering a community. They do no work in the long term because people eventually get bored and restless from being locked inside their homes. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Lockdowns only work when you are trying to contain a virus from entering a community. They do no work in the long term because people eventually get bored and restless from being locked inside their homes. |
They work when the virus is already in a community. Other countries have proven that. They only work when there are strong mandates and they are followed. People get bored over time and there is human nature, but in our country there are a whole bunch of people who refused from the get go.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Lockdowns only work when you are trying to contain a virus from entering a community. They do no work in the long term because people eventually get bored and restless from being locked inside their homes. |
They work when the virus is already in a community. Other countries have proven that. They only work when there are strong mandates and they are followed. People get bored over time and there is human nature, but in our country there are a whole bunch of people who refused from the get go. |
Those other countries use tools of the government that would be unheard of in this country. That is the only reason why they are able to do that. Also even people in California openly ignore the lockdown orders even though in public they tell strangers they are complying. |
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We could have had a short lockdown followed by rapid testing and quarantining, masks and distancing, and keeping people from gathering indoors, and we’d have been done with this for the most part many many many months ago. But a large group of Americans have become too entitled and juvenile to take even minor immediate steps for their own health, much less anyone else’s.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Lockdowns only work when you are trying to contain a virus from entering a community. They do no work in the long term because people eventually get bored and restless from being locked inside their homes. |
They work when the virus is already in a community. Other countries have proven that. They only work when there are strong mandates and they are followed. People get bored over time and there is human nature, but in our country there are a whole bunch of people who refused from the get go. |
Right. Australia has been doing a fantastic job with lockdowns and traveler quarantine being taken seriously. Some provinces, like Victoria, are almost devoid of cases. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Lockdowns only work when you are trying to contain a virus from entering a community. They do no work in the long term because people eventually get bored and restless from being locked inside their homes. |
They work when the virus is already in a community. Other countries have proven that. They only work when there are strong mandates and they are followed. People get bored over time and there is human nature, but in our country there are a whole bunch of people who refused from the get go. |
Those other countries use tools of the government that would be unheard of in this country. That is the only reason why they are able to do that. Also even people in California openly ignore the lockdown orders even though in public they tell strangers they are complying. |
Exactly. Because that weird strain of American “exceptionalism” has stripped Americans of either the tools or desire to work together even to save our own lives.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | We could have had a short lockdown followed by rapid testing and quarantining, masks and distancing, and keeping people from gathering indoors, and we’d have been done with this for the most part many many many months ago. But a large group of Americans have become too entitled and juvenile to take even minor immediate steps for their own health, much less anyone else’s. |
In China they had the military setup checkpoints to make sure people don't leave their communities. That is not something you could do in the USA unless there was a declaration of martial law. Even law enforcement in the USA has shown little appetite for harsh enforcements outside of crackdowns on large undeclared gatherings. |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Lockdowns only work when you are trying to contain a virus from entering a community. They do no work in the long term because people eventually get bored and restless from being locked inside their homes. |
They work when the virus is already in a community. Other countries have proven that. They only work when there are strong mandates and they are followed. People get bored over time and there is human nature, but in our country there are a whole bunch of people who refused from the get go. |
Right. Australia has been doing a fantastic job with lockdowns and traveler quarantine being taken seriously. Some provinces, like Victoria, are almost devoid of cases. |
Australia is sparsely populated with the exception of a few big cities like Sydney. Not to mention the only way people can traditionally enter the country is thru the airlines so that is a much easier to control their borders. |
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| Wilt wrote: | More good news!
My dad was able to sit on a chair and move his arms and legs a little. He requires less oxygen each day. He even was able to communicate with the doctors and nurses in English. They feared that he wouldn't know what's going on, but he knows he has COVID and that he has been in the hospital for a month.
They are already thinking about a possible transfer to a different facility for rehab, including speech therapy.
The doctors are astounded by the progress, all of which happened in the last four days.
This is not the end of the process, as there will be setbacks. But my tough dad was on the ventilator for a whole month and somehow got off it. |
Just saw this. This news is awesome, as is your dad!
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | We could have had a short lockdown followed by rapid testing and quarantining, masks and distancing, and keeping people from gathering indoors, and we’d have been done with this for the most part many many many months ago. But a large group of Americans have become too entitled and juvenile to take even minor immediate steps for their own health, much less anyone else’s. |
In China they had the military setup checkpoints to make sure people don't leave their communities. That is not something you could do in the USA unless there was a declaration of martial law. Even law enforcement in the USA has shown little appetite for harsh enforcements outside of crackdowns on large undeclared gatherings. |
There are examples between China and the US. We had a federal government that had no plan to combat this, numerous states that followed along, including making it illegal for local districts to tighten restrictions (think for a minute how evil that is), and a whole base of the president who were told wearing a mask or distancing or staying home was communism. So while we should have been spending our time ramping up testing and putting out small fires and dealing with the normal stupidity of youth in terms of lockdowns and distancing, we had to deal with half the country treating it as a hoax or political battle.
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Lockdowns only work when you are trying to contain a virus from entering a community. They do no work in the long term because people eventually get bored and restless from being locked inside their homes. |
They work when the virus is already in a community. Other countries have proven that. They only work when there are strong mandates and they are followed. People get bored over time and there is human nature, but in our country there are a whole bunch of people who refused from the get go. |
Right. Australia has been doing a fantastic job with lockdowns and traveler quarantine being taken seriously. Some provinces, like Victoria, are almost devoid of cases. |
Australia is sparsely populated with the exception of a few big cities like Sydney. Not to mention the only way people can traditionally enter the country is thru the airlines so that is a much easier to control their borders. |
Melbourne (Victoria capital) is a city of nearly 5 million and their 7-day average of new cases is 8. That's amazing. They've been able to squash transmission due to strict lockdowns, and they're going to be able to go about their life once they're vaccinated soon.
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Lockdowns only work when you are trying to contain a virus from entering a community. They do no work in the long term because people eventually get bored and restless from being locked inside their homes. |
They work when the virus is already in a community. Other countries have proven that. They only work when there are strong mandates and they are followed. People get bored over time and there is human nature, but in our country there are a whole bunch of people who refused from the get go. |
Right. Australia has been doing a fantastic job with lockdowns and traveler quarantine being taken seriously. Some provinces, like Victoria, are almost devoid of cases. |
Australia is sparsely populated with the exception of a few big cities like Sydney. Not to mention the only way people can traditionally enter the country is thru the airlines so that is a much easier to control their borders. |
This is the silly argument I hear all the time. We aren’t dealing with foreign people repeatedly bringing the virus to our pristine shores. We are giving it to each other. You could close the borders tomorrow and all you’d do is save some foreign countries from us. Many countries dealt with it after it came in. It has been a long time since that was even a minor problem here.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Lockdowns only work when you are trying to contain a virus from entering a community. They do no work in the long term because people eventually get bored and restless from being locked inside their homes. |
They work when the virus is already in a community. Other countries have proven that. They only work when there are strong mandates and they are followed. People get bored over time and there is human nature, but in our country there are a whole bunch of people who refused from the get go. |
Right. Australia has been doing a fantastic job with lockdowns and traveler quarantine being taken seriously. Some provinces, like Victoria, are almost devoid of cases. |
Australia is sparsely populated with the exception of a few big cities like Sydney. Not to mention the only way people can traditionally enter the country is thru the airlines so that is a much easier to control their borders. |
This is the silly argument I hear all the time. We aren’t dealing with foreign people repeatedly bringing the virus to our pristine shores. We are giving it to each other. You could close the borders tomorrow and all you’d do is save some foreign countries from us. Many countries dealt with it after it came in. It has been a long time since that was even a minor problem here. |
The virus had an origin source, but now you have various mutations from around the world. So yes, stopping travel won't stop the virus but it could stop strains that are prevalent in other regions from spreading to other regions. |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Lockdowns only work when you are trying to contain a virus from entering a community. They do no work in the long term because people eventually get bored and restless from being locked inside their homes. |
They work when the virus is already in a community. Other countries have proven that. They only work when there are strong mandates and they are followed. People get bored over time and there is human nature, but in our country there are a whole bunch of people who refused from the get go. |
Right. Australia has been doing a fantastic job with lockdowns and traveler quarantine being taken seriously. Some provinces, like Victoria, are almost devoid of cases. |
Australia is sparsely populated with the exception of a few big cities like Sydney. Not to mention the only way people can traditionally enter the country is thru the airlines so that is a much easier to control their borders. |
Melbourne (Victoria capital) is a city of nearly 5 million and their 7-day average of new cases is 8. That's amazing. They've been able to squash transmission due to strict lockdowns, and they're going to be able to go about their life once they're vaccinated soon. |
Its far easier to establish herd immunity in a much smaller population. We have 300+ million people it is going to take a while before we get to the magical number especially when they are still people that think vaccines are evil. |
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Undercounting of Covid-19 deaths is greatest in pro-Trump areas, analysis shows
| Quote: | | More than 413,000 people have died in the U.S. with Covid-19 attributed somewhere on their death certificate. The real death toll, as reflected in the number of excess deaths in 2020 compared with annual deaths from 2013 to 2018, is even higher. A separate study, led by [Andrew Stokes, a professor of global health at Boston University School of Public Health who performed the analysis for STAT], of 787 counties with more than 20 Covid-19 deaths from Feb. 1 to Oct. 17, 2020, found that while there were 199,124 official Covid-19 deaths in that time period, an additional excess 88,142 deaths weren’t attributed to the virus. |
| Quote: | | Some of these excess deaths are likely due to factors that were exacerbated by the pandemic, such as overdoses and suicide in response to isolation and economic hardship, or subpar health care in an overrun system. But researchers believe many are Covid-19 deaths that go uncounted. Overall, the true Covid-19 death toll is 31% higher than official figures, according to the study, which has been submitted to PLOS Medicine. [Emphasis mine] |
| Quote: | | The researchers found that unattributed Covid-19 deaths were significantly higher in rural areas than urban; in the South compared to other regions [next would be the Midwest]; and in areas with lower levels of education. All these factors tend to correlate with support for Trump. |
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We are past the Christmas and New Year holiday infections....so hopefully for everyone they will keep going down. |
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