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Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 6:42 pm Post subject:
Wvc0925 wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
This is the most common form of the anecdotal lie. It’s always a person connected to a person you know. “I have a friend who knows a guy who saw x” No names, no corroborating evidence (like the name of mortuary or hospital). You can’t disprove it because there’s no evidentiary chain to follow.
Same thing when you believe the trash the media feeds you. And you can't prove the deaths due to covid
Right. The trash media is not a detail we can check. If you’re going to aid allegations of covid 19 fraud, you need more than some people I know and you just believe the trash media. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
I have no reason to lie and neither do the people I got this from. Do a Google search and articles do pop up
You are denying that 100,000 Americans died of COVID. Maybe you're the one that needs to figure out google and acquire the ability to discern fact from conspiracy nonsense.
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 6:45 pm Post subject:
Wvc0925 wrote:
I have no reason to lie and neither do the people I got this from. Do a Google search and articles do pop up
Of course you do. And you have presented no evidence the people you got this from exist, are telling the truth if they do. Especially since this is a widespread right wing propaganda scam going on right now. And I can google pizza gate and a lot of articles pop up. And that was a complete lie. Just like this. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 6:46 pm Post subject:
Hey, some people I know worked at the RNC and they eat live babies during their strategy sessions. I have no reason to lie. Neither do the people I know. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 8:35 pm Post subject:
Wvc0925 wrote:
I have no reason to lie and neither do the people I got this from. Do a Google search and articles do pop up
Only sharing that this is textbook gaslighting-disinformation warfare
Republicans/GOP make some crazy accusation against or about someone.. Tada.. Top Google results are now about the accusation even if completely false... Now that it is on Google The Base can point to it as true.
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 7:12 am Post subject:
FYI, there is evidence that covid numbers are being fudged. Unfortunately, it’s actually in the opposite direction. Along with numerous red states moving to minimize their reporting, states like Florida and Georgia and Texas are having wildly statistically improbable increases in pneumonia deaths vs last year, but just in the recent few months. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
So hospitals are changing death certificates to covid19?
Also a friend of mine had an aunt died of natural causes and the mortuary said if they let them change it to covid19 they would pay for all funeral expenses and additional money because the government pays them for reporting covid19 deaths. This covid is such a scam
Ugh. Third hand misinformation to pretend 100k deaths are just a scam.
Not when it's from people that work at the hospitals or witnessed it first hand
Link?
How could I link something that came from a close friend that just had a family member pass away? People I know that work at Kaiser said they are messing with death certificates to show COVID19
My wife is a provider for Kaiser. You're completely wrong that there is anything institutional going on. Next BS you spread without adequate substantiation is the last.
I have no reason to lie and neither do the people I got this from. Do a Google search and articles do pop up
We're not saying you're lying. We're saying you're a victim of motivated reasoning and lack the critical thinking skills to successfully maneuver through information.
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 8:49 am Post subject:
LarryCoon wrote:
Wvc0925 wrote:
I have no reason to lie and neither do the people I got this from. Do a Google search and articles do pop up
We're not saying you're lying. We're saying you're a victim of motivated reasoning and lack the critical thinking skills to successfully maneuver through information.
There was an excellent article recently that I wish I could find again that discusses why evidentiary reasoning needs to be a general ed class taught to everyone as basic school curriculum. In a day an age where so much information, from perfectly accurate to blatantly and manipulatively false, is coming at people in so many ways - social media, rumor mill discussion, malicious internet efforts - it is crucial that people get the basic skills of properly processing and evaluating information to weed out the falsities from the facts.
That said, in Wcv's case, I think it runs far deeper than simply not having the skills to correctly analyze information. He clearly and intentionally picks and chooses his "sources" to prop up the BS propaganda he wants to believe. He ignores the wealth of valid informational evidence that can be verified and focus on a tiny outlier of false information. Such an education can't help the Wcv's of the world, because their intent os not to get to the truth. But it could hinder the ability of the Wcv's to spread their BS by providing more people with the ability to see why he's full of BS. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Jason Isbell
Man, do those lyrics resonate right now
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 9:17 am Post subject:
FernieBee wrote:
Getting good news/info. is as simple as tuning into broadcast/over-the-air TV...and definitely not just (anti-)social media.
PBS and NPR...the BBC...are also good sources.
It's not that complicated.
"Smart" phones and social media have made many people dumber.
I see it of being an issue of making gullible people even more gullible. And the irony there is there are always the ones chastising others for buying into "fake media". _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Hey, some people I know worked at the RNC and they eat live babies during their strategy sessions. I have no reason to lie. Neither do the people I know.
I know this guy and some people he knows worked at the RNC and they eat live babies during their strategy sessions. He has no reason to lie. Neither do the people he knows.
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 2:42 pm Post subject:
Hector the Pup wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Hey, some people I know worked at the RNC and they eat live babies during their strategy sessions. I have no reason to lie. Neither do the people I know.
I know this guy and some people he knows worked at the RNC and they eat live babies during their strategy sessions. He has no reason to lie. Neither do the people he knows.
I'm posting this confirmation of the allegations I was told. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
That said, in Wcv's case, I think it runs far deeper than simply not having the skills to correctly analyze information. He clearly and intentionally picks and chooses his "sources" to prop up the BS propaganda he wants to believe. He ignores the wealth of valid informational evidence that can be verified and focus on a tiny outlier of false information. Such an education can't help the Wcv's of the world, because their intent os not to get to the truth. But it could hinder the ability of the Wcv's to spread their BS by providing more people with the ability to see why he's full of BS.
Fundamental to the critical-thinking skillset is the knowledge of cognitive baises, the ability to recognize them, and the ability to apply critical thinking to one's own beliefs and thought processes. You're just describing some of those processes that WCV is a victim of -- confirmation bias, expectancy bias, Semmelweis reflex and subjective validation.
FYI, there is evidence that covid numbers are being fudged. Unfortunately, it’s actually in the opposite direction. Along with numerous red states moving to minimize their reporting, states like Florida and Georgia and Texas are having wildly statistically improbable increases in pneumonia deaths vs last year, but just in the recent few months.
Are you suggesting that they're labeling Covid caused deaths as pneumonia deaths in order to show a lower amount of pandemic casualties in their state?
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 5:31 pm Post subject:
LarryCoon wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
That said, in Wcv's case, I think it runs far deeper than simply not having the skills to correctly analyze information. He clearly and intentionally picks and chooses his "sources" to prop up the BS propaganda he wants to believe. He ignores the wealth of valid informational evidence that can be verified and focus on a tiny outlier of false information. Such an education can't help the Wcv's of the world, because their intent os not to get to the truth. But it could hinder the ability of the Wcv's to spread their BS by providing more people with the ability to see why he's full of BS.
Fundamental to the critical-thinking skillset is the knowledge of cognitive baises, the ability to recognize them, and the ability to apply critical thinking to one's own beliefs and thought processes. You're just describing some of those processes that WCV is a victim of -- confirmation bias, expectancy bias, Semmelweis reflex and subjective validation.
I understand the idea of giving the benefit of the doubt, but I believe Wcv is more willing participant than victim. His antagonistic approach is more the characteristic of the purveyor as opposed to the dupe. At least from my personal experience. But I realize you are much more well versed in these dynamics than myself. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 5:32 pm Post subject:
55 wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
FYI, there is evidence that covid numbers are being fudged. Unfortunately, it’s actually in the opposite direction. Along with numerous red states moving to minimize their reporting, states like Florida and Georgia and Texas are having wildly statistically improbable increases in pneumonia deaths vs last year, but just in the recent few months.
Are you suggesting that they're labeling Covid caused deaths as pneumonia deaths in order to show a lower amount of pandemic casualties in their state?
The evidence is suggesting that. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
FYI, there is evidence that covid numbers are being fudged. Unfortunately, it’s actually in the opposite direction. Along with numerous red states moving to minimize their reporting, states like Florida and Georgia and Texas are having wildly statistically improbable increases in pneumonia deaths vs last year, but just in the recent few months.
Are you suggesting that they're labeling Covid caused deaths as pneumonia deaths in order to show a lower amount of pandemic casualties in their state?
The evidence is suggesting that.
I'd be interested in seeing that evidence. Wondering what would be the gain in that scenario for that state.
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 5:48 pm Post subject:
55 wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
55 wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
FYI, there is evidence that covid numbers are being fudged. Unfortunately, it’s actually in the opposite direction. Along with numerous red states moving to minimize their reporting, states like Florida and Georgia and Texas are having wildly statistically improbable increases in pneumonia deaths vs last year, but just in the recent few months.
Are you suggesting that they're labeling Covid caused deaths as pneumonia deaths in order to show a lower amount of pandemic casualties in their state?
The evidence is suggesting that.
I'd be interested in seeing that evidence.
The numbers are there. A comparison of the numbers being reported versus the statistical norms and what is occurring elsewhere
Quote:
Wondering what would be the gain in that scenario for that state.
Well, considering they are Red states more aligned with the RNC and the blatant attempts by the Right to downplay and even deny the pandemic so they can re-open everything, I think the gain part is pretty clear. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 6:31 pm Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
55 wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
55 wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
FYI, there is evidence that covid numbers are being fudged. Unfortunately, it’s actually in the opposite direction. Along with numerous red states moving to minimize their reporting, states like Florida and Georgia and Texas are having wildly statistically improbable increases in pneumonia deaths vs last year, but just in the recent few months.
Are you suggesting that they're labeling Covid caused deaths as pneumonia deaths in order to show a lower amount of pandemic casualties in their state?
The evidence is suggesting that.
I'd be interested in seeing that evidence.
The numbers are there. A comparison of the numbers being reported versus the statistical norms and what is occurring elsewhere
Quote:
Wondering what would be the gain in that scenario for that state.
Well, considering they are Red states more aligned with the RNC and the blatant attempts by the Right to downplay and even deny the pandemic so they can re-open everything, I think the gain part is pretty clear.
It doesn't even have to be intentional. Covid causes pneumonia and several other potentially fatal symptoms. The effort taken to determine if COVID was causative will vary by situation.
Im in the SGV/ Pasadena area and been getting updates and posts on my social media that a lot of the local bars and shops are opening up this weekend. I just hope people don't let their guard down and we end up taking 2 steps back. Fingers crossed _________________ "Dread it, run from it... destiny arrives all the same."
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