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DancingBarry
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| trmiv wrote: | | Thanks guys. She’s in a portable so she has a smaller room than normal rooms. She was messing around with desks yesterday and at 20 desks she can only get about 4 feet between the desks. Hopefully she will end up with a lot less than that. |
Make sure you research masks really well as there is a lot of crap out there and get her a few she can rotate. Frankly, we should all be supplying teachers with N95s, four each that they they can rotate. Seems like the least we could do, but typical with how we do things (especially with teachers). |
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The school gave her 5 double layer cotton masks. But they look like underwear so she won’t wear those.  We bought her some of the Disney masks which are triple layer cotton and appear to work well. They don’t show any light when you hold them up to a bright light. She wanted something with some personality since the kids will be staring at that all day. |
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Question for Chef Linda (since you are in Mass.) or anyone who was in NY/NJ in the early days of the outbreaks on East Coast.
How many people wore masks out in public during the EARLY days when the virus was raging in NY/NJ and then spread up the East Coast? Remember this was when the experts were NOT recommending masks for most people, saying only medical workers.
There are opinions coming out now that wearing a good mask MAY help protect the wearer as well as others. The theory is that the mask lowers the amount of the virus the wearer gets exposed to (if they are exposed) and the course of the disease may be lessened. May even lead to more "asymptomatic" people.
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| ribeye wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | We're paying the price for freedom. Americans are use to freedom. Having them limited isn't going to set well.
In countries like China people are use to being told what to do so it's easier to adhered to stay at home, wear masks and social distancing.
We're paying the price for freedum. |
As we all know, there is a cost to freedom, in a general sense, but more to the point, freedom is not limitless. Normally, we don't have the freedom to harm others or to create an environment of harm.
Few really want a government that controls our lives. This is a given. But all who abuse freedom or create situations that result in harm for others, force a government response. If we did not have scumbags who don't care about what they pollute, or what harm they can create for the environment; or whose life savings they can cheat someone out of; or how they can create an unsafe work environment, or cheat workers out of a fair return for a hard day's work, we'd all have more freedom. |
The whole "Americans freedoms are being limited" thing is baseless. No one has any fewer freedoms than they did pre-covid. The Bill of Rights hasn't been changed. No new Amendments have been written, and no existing ones abolished. We've simply been required to re-prioritize how we go about daily life in order to try and save lives of thousands of Americans.. The "loss of our freedom" argument is just an excuse to rebel against the common sense safety measures put in place to do so.
Is it inconvenient and stressful? Sure. Are there financial consequences that are potentially devastating? Damn straight. But if the government and the citizens would come together and address the things we absolutely need to do come out of this on the other side with fewer inconveniences and financial implications. But unfortunately, partisanship is Trumping unity and common sense.
As a result, we have a very precarious situation made even more so. But no one has ever had the "freedom" to put others at risk. This is why we have rules about things like stopping for traffic lights. This is why we have always had regulations about what businesses can and can't do. We have had to expand on those types of things, but no one has lost any of their freedoms.
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ChefLinda
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| SweetP wrote: | Question for Chef Linda (since you are in Mass.) or anyone who was in NY/NJ in the early days of the outbreaks on East Coast.
How many people wore masks out in public during the EARLY days when the virus was raging in NY/NJ and then spread up the East Coast? Remember this was when the experts were NOT recommending masks for most people, saying only medical workers.
There are opinions coming out now that wearing a good mask MAY help protect the wearer as well as others. The theory is that the mask lowers the amount of the virus the wearer gets exposed to (if they are exposed) and the course of the disease may be lessened. May even lead to more "asymptomatic" people. |
Here was the chronology from my state and city (we are a very progressive blue city with a mayor who was ahead of the curve)
Massachusetts - first positive COVID cases mid February.
Massachusetts - first super spreader event, Biogen conference Feb. 26th
Massachusetts - conference attendees spread back to their communities Feb 29
Somerville, MA - first 3 positive cases in Somerville March 11.
Somerville, MA schools close March 11.
Somerville, MA starts to shut things down non-essential businesses March 15
I personally started to wear a mask in public (at first homemade) by March 23. Saw only a few people wearing masks, mostly workers at essential businesses (grocery stores) and people over 60.
Somerville, MA recommends people wear masks if possible starting April 1st. A little more than half the people in public were wearing masks. Everyone over 60 wearing masks. Runners and cyclists not wearing masks.
Massachusetts peak COVID cases April 24.
Somerville, MA mandatory mask order went into effect April 29. 95% of people in public wearing masks. Cannot enter places of business w/o a mask.
Massachusetts mandatory mask order went into effect May 6. Everyone in public seemed to be wearing masks.
May through July - most people wearing masks.
August - people starting to get a little careless but the majority still wearing masks. |
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Thank you CL!
We know much more now, than we did early on. The timeline for the North East just seems to reinforce the need for masks.
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| ribeye wrote: | | Normally, we don't have the freedom to harm others or to create an environment of harm. |
Words to live by, at least I try to...
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| SweetP wrote: | Thank you CL!
We know much more now, than we did early on. The timeline for the North East just seems to reinforce the need for masks. |
The couple of recent flare ups we had were people having house parties and graduation parties on the Cape with no masks and no social distancing. The governor just halted advanced opening plans, rolled back numbers of public gaterings and put in new mask restrictions:
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Masks are still required, indoors or outdoors, when individuals cannot maintain at least 6 feet of physical distancing. But under the new provisions, for any gathering of more than 10 people from more than a single household, all individuals over the age of 2 are required to wear a face covering, and could be fined for not doing so (see “enforceable fines”).
The new face-covering rule applies to gatherings in all venues and locations, public or private, including in homes, backyards, parks, athletic fields, and parking lots. |
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| jodeke wrote: | We're paying the price for freedom. Americans are use to freedom. Having them limited isn't going to set well.
In countries like China people are use to being told what to do so it's easier to adhered to stay at home, wear masks and social distancing.
We're paying the price for freedum and lack of leadership. |
look, I'm not even going to talk about the freedom to wear mask or not since that's not worth discussing at this point.
Think of all the freedoms that you had lost since march, because of what? the 14 days of freedom for the infected
can't the infected be not free for 14 days? it's also good for them, so they are not infecting their love ones.
Knowing that we are safe from the infected and the infected are being forcefully quarantined is the freedom that we will never have. |
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| DancingBarry wrote: | | trmiv wrote: | | Thanks guys. She’s in a portable so she has a smaller room than normal rooms. She was messing around with desks yesterday and at 20 desks she can only get about 4 feet between the desks. Hopefully she will end up with a lot less than that. |
Make sure you research masks really well as there is a lot of crap out there and get her a few she can rotate. Frankly, we should all be supplying teachers with N95s, four each that they they can rotate. Seems like the least we could do, but typical with how we do things (especially with teachers). |
https://abc7.com/what-is-the-best-face-mask-worst-fleece-gaiter-coronavirus-surgical/6364661/
trmiv, pm me your address if you’d like and I’ll ship you out some boxes of high quality 3ply masks for your wife.
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | SweetP wrote: | Thank you CL!
We know much more now, than we did early on. The timeline for the North East just seems to reinforce the need for masks. |
The couple of recent flare ups we had were people having house parties and graduation parties on the Cape with no masks and no social distancing. The governor just halted advanced opening plans, rolled back numbers of public gaterings and put in new mask restrictions:
| Quote: | Face mask protocols
Masks are still required, indoors or outdoors, when individuals cannot maintain at least 6 feet of physical distancing. But under the new provisions, for any gathering of more than 10 people from more than a single household, all individuals over the age of 2 are required to wear a face covering, and could be fined for not doing so (see “enforceable fines”).
The new face-covering rule applies to gatherings in all venues and locations, public or private, including in homes, backyards, parks, athletic fields, and parking lots. |
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Try having a 2 year old keep a mask on their face... good luck with that.
Ridiculous and unrealistic expectation. |
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| 55 wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | SweetP wrote: | Thank you CL!
We know much more now, than we did early on. The timeline for the North East just seems to reinforce the need for masks. |
The couple of recent flare ups we had were people having house parties and graduation parties on the Cape with no masks and no social distancing. The governor just halted advanced opening plans, rolled back numbers of public gaterings and put in new mask restrictions:
| Quote: | Face mask protocols
Masks are still required, indoors or outdoors, when individuals cannot maintain at least 6 feet of physical distancing. But under the new provisions, for any gathering of more than 10 people from more than a single household, all individuals over the age of 2 are required to wear a face covering, and could be fined for not doing so (see “enforceable fines”).
The new face-covering rule applies to gatherings in all venues and locations, public or private, including in homes, backyards, parks, athletic fields, and parking lots. |
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Try having a 2 year old keep a mask on their face... good luck with that.
Ridiculous and unrealistic expectation. |
Kids in daycare here are wearing masks and we're not spreading COVID like in other states. They make little kid masks with superheroes on them or sparkles or whatever. They teach little kids about the virus and about handwashing. They make it into a game. Kids take their cues from adults. If adults are wearing masks, kids want to imitate them. Sure, they're two and they won't do it perfectly. That doesn't mean you throw up your hands and give up. Especially given the alternative. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | 55 wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | SweetP wrote: | Thank you CL!
We know much more now, than we did early on. The timeline for the North East just seems to reinforce the need for masks. |
The couple of recent flare ups we had were people having house parties and graduation parties on the Cape with no masks and no social distancing. The governor just halted advanced opening plans, rolled back numbers of public gaterings and put in new mask restrictions:
| Quote: | Face mask protocols
Masks are still required, indoors or outdoors, when individuals cannot maintain at least 6 feet of physical distancing. But under the new provisions, for any gathering of more than 10 people from more than a single household, all individuals over the age of 2 are required to wear a face covering, and could be fined for not doing so (see “enforceable fines”).
The new face-covering rule applies to gatherings in all venues and locations, public or private, including in homes, backyards, parks, athletic fields, and parking lots. |
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Try having a 2 year old keep a mask on their face... good luck with that.
Ridiculous and unrealistic expectation. |
Kids in daycare here are wearing masks and we're not spreading COVID like in other states. They make little kid masks with superheroes on them or sparkles or whatever. They teach little kids about the virus and about handwashing. They make it into a game. Kids take their cues from adults. If adults are wearing masks, kids want to imitate them. Sure, they're two and they won't do it perfectly. That doesn't mean you throw up your hands and give up. Especially given the alternative. |
Just yesterday I was going into a store and while I was walking through the parking lot a woman and little girl of probably 4 or so got out of their car and as they did the little girl said proudly and pointedly said, "Masks on Mommy!"
I have more faith in the kids (when instructed properly) to wear masks than I do most adults. Though that's not to say I think they should be anywhere near a classroom right now.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | 55 wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | SweetP wrote: | Thank you CL!
We know much more now, than we did early on. The timeline for the North East just seems to reinforce the need for masks. |
The couple of recent flare ups we had were people having house parties and graduation parties on the Cape with no masks and no social distancing. The governor just halted advanced opening plans, rolled back numbers of public gaterings and put in new mask restrictions:
| Quote: | Face mask protocols
Masks are still required, indoors or outdoors, when individuals cannot maintain at least 6 feet of physical distancing. But under the new provisions, for any gathering of more than 10 people from more than a single household, all individuals over the age of 2 are required to wear a face covering, and could be fined for not doing so (see “enforceable fines”).
The new face-covering rule applies to gatherings in all venues and locations, public or private, including in homes, backyards, parks, athletic fields, and parking lots. |
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Try having a 2 year old keep a mask on their face... good luck with that.
Ridiculous and unrealistic expectation. |
Kids in daycare here are wearing masks and we're not spreading COVID like in other states. They make little kid masks with superheroes on them or sparkles or whatever. They teach little kids about the virus and about handwashing. They make it into a game. Kids take their cues from adults. If adults are wearing masks, kids want to imitate them. Sure, they're two and they won't do it perfectly. That doesn't mean you throw up your hands and give up. Especially given the alternative. |
Just yesterday I was going into a store and while I was walking through the parking lot a woman and little girl of probably 4 or so got out of their car and as they did the little girl said proudly and pointedly said, "Masks on Mommy!"
I have more faith in the kids (when instructed properly) to wear masks than I do most adults. Though that's not to say I think they should be anywhere near a classroom right now. |
I'm in NB and due to my business I deal the public daily. This is smack dab in the middle of NB mind you. After the first locdown, I want to say maybe 1 in 3 people wore masks. I might be a little generous there. This second time around, I can go several days before I see someone without a mask and every single time, said person has apololized profusely and went to get it from their car. People are A LOT better about masks. I think the reality that this is going to be with us for awhile has sunk in for a lot of people.
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California Covid Deaths for August 12, 2020
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9,303,467 Tests Performed
9,303,467 Results Rec'd (0 PENDING)
586,056 POSITIVE (+11,645)
8,717,411 NEGATIVE
Day.......#..Day........#..Day........#..Day........#..Day........#..Day.......#
2/26/2020 0 4/01/2020 21 5/01/2020 91 6/01/2020 38 7/01/2020 110 8/01/2020 219
2/27/2020 0 4/02/2020 32 5/02/2020 98 6/02/2020 35 7/02/2020 73 8/02/2020 132
2/28/2020 0 4/03/2020 34 5/03/2020 44 6/03/2020 75 7/03/2020 100 8/03/2020 32
2/29/2020 0 4/04/2020 39 5/04/2020 39 6/04/2020 61 7/04/2020 50 8/04/2020 113
3/01/2020 0 4/05/2020 43 5/05/2020 63 6/05/2020 63 7/05/2020 18 8/05/2020 202
3/02/2020 0 4/06/2020 24 5/06/2020 95 6/06/2020 74 7/06/2020 6 8/06/2020 166
3/03/2020 0 4/07/2020 31 5/07/2020 92 6/07/2020 67 7/07/2020 111 8/07/2020 142
3/04/2020 1 4/08/2020 68 5/08/2020 81 6/08/2020 27 7/08/2020 114 8/08/2020 178
3/05/2020 0 4/09/2020 50 5/09/2020 93 6/09/2020 44 7/09/2020 149 8/09/2020 104
3/06/2020 0 4/10/2020 49 5/10/2020 67 6/10/2020 79 7/10/2020 140 8/10/2020 66
3/07/2020 0 4/11/2020 68 5/11/2020 25 6/11/2020 105 7/11/2020 94 8/11/2020 109
3/08/2020 0 4/12/2020 42 5/12/2020 77 6/12/2020 62 7/12/2020 72 8/12/2020 180
3/09/2020 0 4/13/2020 36 5/13/2020 87 6/13/2020 46 7/13/2020 23
3/10/2020 1 4/14/2020 71 5/14/2020 98 6/14/2020 74 7/14/2020 47
3/12/2020 4 4/15/2020 63 5/15/2020 76 6/15/2020 26 7/15/2020 140
3/13/2020 0 4/16/2020 69 5/16/2020 96 6/16/2020 32 7/16/2020 118
3/14/2020 1 4/17/2020 95 5/17/2020 57 6/17/2020 87 7/17/2020 130
3/15/2020 0 4/18/2020 87 5/18/2020 41 6/18/2020 82 7/18/2020 120
3/16/2020 1 4/19/2020 94 5/19/2020 32 6/19/2020 70 7/19/2020 90
3/17/2020 5 4/20/2020 42 5/20/2020 102 6/20/2020 64 7/20/2020 9
3/18/2020 2 4/21/2020 60 5/21/2020 106 6/21/2020 71 7/21/2020 61
3/19/2020 3 4/22/2020 86 5/22/2020 88 6/22/2020 20 7/22/2020 115
3/20/2020 3 4/23/2020 115 5/23/2020 78 6/23/2020 65 7/23/2020 157
3/21/2020 4 4/24/2020 93 5/24/2020 66 6/24/2020 52 7/24/2020 159
3/22/2020 4 4/25/2020 89 5/25/2020 21 6/25/2020 101 7/25/2020 151
3/23/2020 0 4/26/2020 59 5/26/2020 19 6/26/2020 79 7/26/2020 79
3/24/2020 13 4/27/2020 45 5/27/2020 70 6/27/2020 60 7/27/2020 29
3/25/2020 13 4/28/2020 54 5/28/2020 89 6/28/2020 33 7/28/2020 73
3/26/2020 12 4/29/2020 78 5/29/2020 95 6/29/2020 31 7/29/2020 197
3/27/2020 13 4/30/2020 95 5/30/2020 88 6/30/2020 44 7/30/2020 194
3/28/2020 23 5/31/2020 57 7/31/2020 96
3/30/2020 34
3/31/2020 15
.....TOTAL 10,648
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https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA/Pages/NR20-193.aspx
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https://update.covid19.ca.gov/
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| Quote: | | We are participating in a phase 3 clinical trial to test an investigational vaccine against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. We plan to enroll approximately 1,400 participants at four sites in California and Oregon. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | 55 wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | SweetP wrote: | Thank you CL!
We know much more now, than we did early on. The timeline for the North East just seems to reinforce the need for masks. |
The couple of recent flare ups we had were people having house parties and graduation parties on the Cape with no masks and no social distancing. The governor just halted advanced opening plans, rolled back numbers of public gaterings and put in new mask restrictions:
| Quote: | Face mask protocols
Masks are still required, indoors or outdoors, when individuals cannot maintain at least 6 feet of physical distancing. But under the new provisions, for any gathering of more than 10 people from more than a single household, all individuals over the age of 2 are required to wear a face covering, and could be fined for not doing so (see “enforceable fines”).
The new face-covering rule applies to gatherings in all venues and locations, public or private, including in homes, backyards, parks, athletic fields, and parking lots. |
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Try having a 2 year old keep a mask on their face... good luck with that.
Ridiculous and unrealistic expectation. |
Kids in daycare here are wearing masks and we're not spreading COVID like in other states. They make little kid masks with superheroes on them or sparkles or whatever. They teach little kids about the virus and about handwashing. They make it into a game. Kids take their cues from adults. If adults are wearing masks, kids want to imitate them. Sure, they're two and they won't do it perfectly. That doesn't mean you throw up your hands and give up. Especially given the alternative. |
I'm not so sure that you're not spreading like other states because of the 2 year olds who are wearing masks. Good for you guys though |
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NYT: The True Coronavirus Toll in the U.S. Has Already Surpassed 200,000
| Quote: | Across the United States, at least 200,000 more people have died than usual since March, according to a New York Times analysis of estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This is about 60,000 higher than the number of deaths that have been directly linked to the coronavirus.
As the pandemic has moved south and west from its epicenter in New York City, so have the unusual patterns in deaths from all causes. That suggests that the official death counts may be substantially underestimating the overall effects of the virus, as people die from the virus as well as by other causes linked to the pandemic.
When the coronavirus first took hold in the United States in March, the bulk of deaths above normal levels, or “excess deaths,” were in the Northeast, as New York and New Jersey saw huge surges.
The Northeast still makes up nearly half of all excess deaths in the country, though numbers in the region have drastically declined since the peak in April.
But as the number of hot spots expanded, so has the number of excess deaths across other parts of the country. Many of the recent coronavirus cases and deaths in the South and the West may have been driven largely by reopenings and relaxed social distancing restrictions. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | NYT: The True Coronavirus Toll in the U.S. Has Already Surpassed 200,000
| Quote: | Across the United States, at least 200,000 more people have died than usual since March, according to a New York Times analysis of estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This is about 60,000 higher than the number of deaths that have been directly linked to the coronavirus.
As the pandemic has moved south and west from its epicenter in New York City, so have the unusual patterns in deaths from all causes. That suggests that the official death counts may be substantially underestimating the overall effects of the virus, as people die from the virus as well as by other causes linked to the pandemic.
When the coronavirus first took hold in the United States in March, the bulk of deaths above normal levels, or “excess deaths,” were in the Northeast, as New York and New Jersey saw huge surges.
The Northeast still makes up nearly half of all excess deaths in the country, though numbers in the region have drastically declined since the peak in April.
But as the number of hot spots expanded, so has the number of excess deaths across other parts of the country. Many of the recent coronavirus cases and deaths in the South and the West may have been driven largely by reopenings and relaxed social distancing restrictions. |
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This is basically how they "count" the real death rates from influenza each year, looking at excess deaths and increases in "respiratory-related" diagnoses. Which is why the deaths in any given year due to flu are estimates and the final #s come out much later.
I think we've known all along the actual deaths were higher for Covid. Not to mention the Trump administration's desire to keep the #s low for political reasons.
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| ChefLinda wrote: | NYT: The True Coronavirus Toll in the U.S. Has Already Surpassed 200,000
| Quote: | Across the United States, at least 200,000 more people have died than usual since March, according to a New York Times analysis of estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This is about 60,000 higher than the number of deaths that have been directly linked to the coronavirus.
As the pandemic has moved south and west from its epicenter in New York City, so have the unusual patterns in deaths from all causes. That suggests that the official death counts may be substantially underestimating the overall effects of the virus, as people die from the virus as well as by other causes linked to the pandemic.
When the coronavirus first took hold in the United States in March, the bulk of deaths above normal levels, or “excess deaths,” were in the Northeast, as New York and New Jersey saw huge surges.
The Northeast still makes up nearly half of all excess deaths in the country, though numbers in the region have drastically declined since the peak in April.
But as the number of hot spots expanded, so has the number of excess deaths across other parts of the country. Many of the recent coronavirus cases and deaths in the South and the West may have been driven largely by reopenings and relaxed social distancing restrictions. |
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| ribeye wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | 55 wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | Close enough for this thread I suppose, but I received a coffee order that I placed a 4:00 PM on Tue--from NJ. I don't know about the rest of you, but everything else I have ordered, mostly concert posters, is taking forever--to abuse the expression. I have one order via Priority Mail that is now two weeks out, that is somewhere, but who knows where.
Anyway, I complimented my vendor and received, in part, this message:
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UPS is not offering guaranteed delivery times now. FedEx is delaying deliveries to hot spots or not offering deliveries to certain areas; USPS can't get cargo plane space.[Emphasis mine.] |
The only thing I can figure is that because passenger flights are so far down, that many flights are cancelled; therefore that excess cargo space that is typically dedicated to letters and parcels, is pretty much useless if the plane just sits there. Too bad there aren't any pilots or planes free to help out. . . .
For anyone else having problems with package deliveries, please understand that besides the obvious problems with the pandemic creating mail delays, we also have the political problems associated with a mental midget and his tantrums, who is running the country, including the USPS. |
This has nothing to do with politics. A lot of people aren't working and it's causing delays. Your flight theory doesn't work since we have the same issues with UPS Freight Ground having 2-5 day delays from LA to the east coast. Their reasoning is that they're short staffed right now. I have been sending PPE products out there and having A LOT of delivery delays. |
So then why can't the USPS get cargo plane space. What, no planes? No pilots?
Two to five day delays might be expected. But a seventeen days for a package, and it is still not out for delivery, for Priority Mail from SF to Sac, is ridiculous. This is a one day delivery, normally. I have another from SF that is 13 days out. I order a lot and have been ordering throughout the coronavirus debacle, and what is going on NOW is different. What changed? Trump's donor buddy is now the Postmaster General. |
USPS doesn't have any cargo planes. They ship their air mail in the cargo hold of passenger airlines, which many have been cancelled due to lack of passenger traffic. Unfortunately, if you have a tracking number and it takes 2 weeks+ for them to send it, chances are its lost or stolen and you need to file a claim. |
First, yes I understand how the USPS operates, as I stated in my first post.
Second, because so many items have been delayed, I want to wait before I request the sender to make a claim. I have had hundreds upon hundreds, maybe into the thousands, of packages arrive. Never has one been lost. |
I still have not received five packages, one over six weeks out. Another, from Bencia to Sacramento (50ish miles) is 3 weeks out--and the seller is putting in a claim. Another arrived in Sacramento one week ago and it is still not out for delivery per the tracking info:
Aug 12, 2020
6:04am
Arrived at Post Office
SACRAMENTO, CA 95822
Aug 11, 2020
12:00am
In Transit to Next Facility
Aug 7, 2020
6:32am
Arrived at USPS Regional Destination Facility
SACRAMENTO CA DISTRIBUTION CENTER
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I used to work very closely with the USPS, and typically, when something arrives at the distribution center in the AM, it is delivered that same day.
Anyone who wants to contend that this is not about politics should return to school to work on their critical thinking skills and how to fix their magical thinking problems. Maybe they can pick up a high school diploma while they're at it.
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I finally got the $50.00 air conditioner after 4 months. It's not worth it. It's good if you work at a desk and can put directly on yourself. It's similar to a fan but the air is cooler. Not worth the money, don't buy. The review I give will not be favorable.
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Yesterday, the deaths from covid:
US: 1,120
Spain: 12
UK (even with their goofy approach): 11
Italy: 3
Germany:8
France: 18
Canada: 5
Israel: 14
China: 0
Sweden (and their goofy approach): 7
Japan: 10
Just more of making America great again.
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| ribeye wrote: | Yesterday, the deaths from covid:
US: 1,120
Spain: 12
UK (even with their goofy approach): 11
Italy: 3
Germany:8
France: 18
Canada: 5
Israel: 14
China: 0
Sweden (and their goofy approach): 7
Japan: 10
Just more of making America great again. |
We're 100x greater than even the second pace countries!!
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