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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:58 pm Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
It occurs to me that this virus is a metaphor of sorts for climate change, pollution, vaccinations, income inequality, and racism, among other things. Each one of these requires some individuals to accept some level of degradation of their behavior or privilege in order for others to attain the same, and illustrates that we are not self-contained beings who can live in our own gated off worlds, neither responsible for nor immune from the ills of others. And the sad thing is it's hard to consider tackling problems that will have actual costs when the simple, fairly innocuous wearing of a mask is too much to give up so that others might live.
I had a similar thought regarding climate change. Even if we beat Coronavirus, we’re just going to boil anyway due to our inability to collectively mobilize.
I'm betting people will propose quick fix hydrochloroquine-like solutions after the fact for climate change too. Like, "lets just drop a huge ice cube in the ocean".
Geoengineering and carbon capture proposals are pretty much just that... Trying to have it all.
Or virtue signaling by driving Priuses/Teslas, ignoring the other harmful environmental impacts they have... _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:05 pm Post subject:
trmiv wrote:
Covidiot Trumpers marched today in Seminole County Florida protesting the mask order shouting “My body, my choice.”
Irony is officially dead.
I see it more as hypocrisy has never thrived better than it does today. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Newsom orders 19 counties to shut down indoor dining again, and the order also includes movie theatres, family entertainment centers, and cardrooms. Of note in this link I'll provide is that CA hospitalizations are up 51% over the past 2 weeks, while ICU admissions are up 47%.
More importantly how are they still allowing protests like this one?
https://twitter.com/ChristinaKTLA/status/1278499560239755264/photo/1
If you are going to keep people from earning a living then you shouldn't be allowing mass protests. You can't expect people to follow orders if there is a double standard thrown if their face.
Newsom orders 19 counties to shut down indoor dining again, and the order also includes movie theatres, family entertainment centers, and cardrooms. Of note in this link I'll provide is that CA hospitalizations are up 51% over the past 2 weeks, while ICU admissions are up 47%.
More importantly how are they still allowing protests like this one?
https://twitter.com/ChristinaKTLA/status/1278499560239755264/photo/1
If you are going to keep people from earning a living then you shouldn't be allowing mass protests. You can't expect people to follow orders if there is a double standard thrown if their face.
Someone’s unsafe behavior doesn’t excuse someone else’s unsafe behavior. The virus doesn’t care why people have gathered but it’s survival depends on it. Great job getting pwned by a germ.
Speaking of being outsmarted by a germ. A submicroscopic infectious agent with the single biological imperative to infect everyone is tearing through his country and our leader’s response is to help it.
Speaking of being outsmarted by a germ. A submicroscopic infectious agent with the single biological imperative to infect everyone is tearing through his country and our leader’s response is to help it.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:07 am Post subject:
It's so strange what some people choose to focus on.
We have a Senate and President who refuse to do what other countries have done and make it safe for people to return to work.
We have a Senate and President who refuse to do what other countries have done and provide people with the financial assistance needed until they can go back to work.
But the real problem is non-Covidiots infringing on people's right to kill their fellow citizens in the 100s of thousands with this virus. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:48 am Post subject:
Trump says we have the virus under control. It's going to disappear. LINK _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:00 am Post subject:
What was the point of the original “lockdown” now? I read an article that says we aren’t even in the second wave— the first one never ended. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
I am curious as to what this will do to higher education in the USA. I think many of the lower-tier, private liberal arts colleges will go bust. Many of them have already been on the ropes, I think this pandemic will be a fatal blow. I'm sure there will be layoffs and furloughs at the public colleges as well, particularly among the nontenured professors and support staff. Foreign student enrollment has been propping up both public and private universities for years, as the foreign students as a whole tend to pay full tuition. I expect a drop, perhaps significant, among the foreign student population.
USC just recommended that students elect for remote learning this fall. I wonder how many other colleges will follow suit. There will be a drop in dorms and food revenue resulting from students who take online classes. And of course there might be students who will defer, due to parent financial hardship or parental concern that online classes aren't worth the tuition expenditure.
What was the point of the original “lockdown” now? I read an article that says we aren’t even in the second wave— the first one never ended.
It was so that we wouldn't overwhelm the hospitals.
It worked for a while, but we lost all the gains once people started going out again. Unfortunately, it looks like the only way to return to normal life is when the vaccine or treatments are widely available.
I am curious as to what this will do to higher education in the USA. I think many of the lower-tier, private liberal arts colleges will go bust. Many of them have already been on the ropes, I think this pandemic will be a fatal blow. I'm sure there will be layoffs and furloughs at the public colleges as well, particularly among the nontenured professors and support staff. Foreign student enrollment has been propping up both public and private universities for years, as the foreign students as a whole tend to pay full tuition. I expect a drop, perhaps significant, among the foreign student population.
USC just recommended that students elect for remote learning this fall. I wonder how many other colleges will follow suit. There will be a drop in dorms and food revenue resulting from students who take online classes. And of course there might be students who will defer, due to parent financial hardship or parental concern that online classes aren't worth the tuition expenditure.
Those schools that were ready for online learning will be able to effectively navigate thru this crisis, and it will future proof schools for the era of internet learning. Those schools which didn't have an online component will suffer greatly. Reality is that some of these schools have become bloated since they usually passed along their budget problems to the students, You rarely hear of tuition decreases, due the pandemic some students will probably take a closer look at what value some of these schools offer if they can't attend classes in person and might decide to choose to attend a cheaper state school instead. Also there is a social component to going to college where you make connections with people and attending school online basically eliminates that aspect of education.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:28 am Post subject:
angrypuppy wrote:
I am curious as to what this will do to higher education in the USA. I think many of the lower-tier, private liberal arts colleges will go bust. Many of them have already been on the ropes, I think this pandemic will be a fatal blow. I'm sure there will be layoffs and furloughs at the public colleges as well, particularly among the nontenured professors and support staff. Foreign student enrollment has been propping up both public and private universities for years, as the foreign students as a whole tend to pay full tuition. I expect a drop, perhaps significant, among the foreign student population.
USC just recommended that students elect for remote learning this fall. I wonder how many other colleges will follow suit. There will be a drop in dorms and food revenue resulting from students who take online classes. And of course there might be students who will defer, due to parent financial hardship or parental concern that online classes aren't worth the tuition expenditure.
I’m doing a PhD right now and thinking about calling it quits because of this. The higher education model was already unsustainable and is increasingly relying on adjuncts and graduate students (as primary instructors for large lectures instead of TAs) rather than tenure track faculty for teaching because it’s cheaper. Tuition costs have only gone up.
Sooner or later people will become unwilling to pay increasingly high tuition for a University of Phoenix level education. I don’t see how this is sustainable. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Sooner or later people will become unwilling to pay increasingly high tuition for a University of Phoenix level education. I don’t see how this is sustainable.
Don't knock that school, as I'm a huge fan of their football team.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:58 am Post subject:
CandyCanes wrote:
What was the point of the original “lockdown” now? I read an article that says we aren’t even in the second wave— the first one never ended.
The lockdown was supposed to arrest the massive spread (which it did) that happened because we didn't take appropriate early measures, so that hospitals didn't get overrun and to give a chance for more moderate measures to be effective afterward. But the next measures should have been heavy on mask use, because that's the key to any successful model. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:16 pm Post subject:
Omar Little wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
What was the point of the original “lockdown” now? I read an article that says we aren’t even in the second wave— the first one never ended.
The lockdown was supposed to arrest the massive spread (which it did) that happened because we didn't take appropriate early measures, so that hospitals didn't get overrun and to give a chance for more moderate measures to be effective afterward. But the next measures should have been heavy on mask use, because that's the key to any successful model.
But now the rate of new cases is higher than ever before, so it was all pointless.
I don’t know why Fauci is lionized as a national hero when he deliberately lied about the effectiveness of mask use so that they could be preserved for hospitals. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
What was the point of the original “lockdown” now? I read an article that says we aren’t even in the second wave— the first one never ended.
there wasn't any "lockdown" really. because all we had done is shut off businesses to discourage people from gathering. But there isn't any measure that prevents gathering.
Think about it like this, the infection chain will continue as long as the the infected and the non-infected are not separated by force. The infected are continuously infecting the non-infected. We have never tried to stop this. The infection chain will never break until we forcefully quarantine the infected.
what we're waiting for is that the infected will no longer infect the non-infected, which is herd immunity really.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:19 pm Post subject:
Omar Little wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
What was the point of the original “lockdown” now? I read an article that says we aren’t even in the second wave— the first one never ended.
The lockdown was supposed to arrest the massive spread (which it did) that happened because we didn't take appropriate early measures, so that hospitals didn't get overrun and to give a chance for more moderate measures to be effective afterward. But the next measures should have been heavy on mask use, because that's the key to any successful model.
Yes we were late to the party. When we joined we were on the right path to containment with lock down and masks.
People naturally grew weary with confinement and started to get lax. Then the IIC said it was a hoax and didn't wear a mask in public exhibiting piss poor leadership and you guessed it, all hell broke loose. Now COVID-19 is just about out of control.
IMO we'll be in the throws of infection until a vaccine is perfected and widely available. After that the hurdle will be the god almighty dollar.
Who will be able to afford the vaccine? Trump's trying to eliminate ACA. Without a health plan I fear many will not be able to afford the vaccine and the infection will still be a problem.
Buckle up people this is going to be a rough ride. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
What was the point of the original “lockdown” now? I read an article that says we aren’t even in the second wave— the first one never ended.
The lockdown was supposed to arrest the massive spread (which it did) that happened because we didn't take appropriate early measures, so that hospitals didn't get overrun and to give a chance for more moderate measures to be effective afterward. But the next measures should have been heavy on mask use, because that's the key to any successful model.
But now the rate of new cases is higher than ever before, so it was all pointless.
I don’t know why Fauci is lionized as a national hero when he deliberately lied about the effectiveness of mask use so that they could be preserved for hospitals.
Unfortunately, he's stuck between a rock and a hard place. The medical workers did require those medical supplies otherwise the infections could be worse. The problem was not announcing non-medical face coverings early on , while not as effective as medical grade, could've mitigated the spread.
A big reason the NFL is doing everything in its power to try and make sure that fans will be able to attend games is that there's a lot of money involved. The league has estimated that if fans aren't allowed to attend games in 2020 that NFL's 32 teams would collectively lose out on more than $3 billion.
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With an uptick in coronavirus cases around the country, a waiver wouldn't be completely unheard of. During a rally in Tulsa on June 20, the Trump campaign required all attendees to sign a waiver. The idea of having fans signs a waiver is one of several changes that the league will soon be considering with the proposals expected to be sent to each team at some point next week. According to the Athletic, other proposals include asking fans to wear masks and having every stadium go cashless (The Falcons are the only team that currently runs a cashless operation).
_________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
A big reason the NFL is doing everything in its power to try and make sure that fans will be able to attend games is that there's a lot of money involved. The league has estimated that if fans aren't allowed to attend games in 2020 that NFL's 32 teams would collectively lose out on more than $3 billion.
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With an uptick in coronavirus cases around the country, a waiver wouldn't be completely unheard of. During a rally in Tulsa on June 20, the Trump campaign required all attendees to sign a waiver. The idea of having fans signs a waiver is one of several changes that the league will soon be considering with the proposals expected to be sent to each team at some point next week. According to the Athletic, other proposals include asking fans to wear masks and having every stadium go cashless (The Falcons are the only team that currently runs a cashless operation).
All these major pro sports leagues are in trouble if they don't have a season or have a season with vastly reduced crowds. There is no way these leagues can survive long just on TV alone.
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