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focus wrote: | greenfrog wrote: | Surfitall wrote: | Welp, my neighbors have given up on social distancing. They decided to have a block party with a rock band, two food trucks, 50-100 people, no masks, no social distancing. We stayed away and wish them well. I guess we are that family. |
Maybe they all got the antibodies test.
I had my first In N Out burger (drive thru) in 3 months this week, which is my equivalent of living dangerously. | Double double animal style? |
With chopped peppers added, toasted bun, and fries "well done". |
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ChefLinda Moderator
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Surfitall wrote: | Good for you Chef Linda. |
Massachusetts has the 4th most deaths and for a small state, that's really, really bad. I read a long article in the Boston Globe yesterday which was a full timeline of how things unfolded in our state. Our Republican governor hesitated to take action for almost two weeks after reports of a cluster of cases from a BioGen conference. The attendees went back to their communities and spread the infection all over the state. The governor told the public there was nothing to worry about then went on vacation. About half-way through his vacation he realized all hell was breaking lose. But he still waited another week and half (until past mid-March) before he closed things down. It was too late.
Luckily for me personally, I started to take precautions the first week in March and our mayor in Somerville closed the schools, then large gatherings, then all non-essential businesses a week and and a half ahead of the governor. So after reading this horrendous timeline I'm very skeptical of their judgment as they re-open. I'm going to wait and see and follow the lead of our local mayor who is modifying the state's re-opening plan to be much more conservative. |
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California Covid Deaths for June 8, 2020
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2,431,190 Tests Performed
....2,431,190 Results Rec'd (0 PENDING)
.......131,319 POSITIVE
....2,299,871 NEGATIVE
Day............#.Day............#...Day..........#
2/26/2020 0 4/01/2020 21 5/01/2020 91 6/01/2020 38 (24 from LA Co)
2/27/2020 0 4/02/2020 32 5/02/2020 98 6/02/2020 35 (22 from LA Co)
2/28/2020 0 4/03/2020 34 5/03/2020 44 6/03/2020 75 (59 from LA Co)
2/29/2020 0 4/04/2020 39 5/04/2020 39 6/04/2020 61 (46 from LA Co)
3/01/2020 0 4/05/2020 43 5/05/2020 63 6/05/2020 63 (14 from LA Co)
3/02/2020 0 4/06/2020 24 5/06/2020 95 6/06/2020 74 (34 from LA Co)
3/03/2020 0 4/07/2020 31 5/07/2020 92 6/07/2020 67 (55 from LA Co)
3/04/2020 1 4/08/2020 68 5/08/2020 81 6/08/2020 27 (25 from LA Co)
3/05/2020 0 4/09/2020 50 5/09/2020 93
3/06/2020 0 4/10/2020 49 5/10/2020 67
3/07/2020 0 4/11/2020 68 5/11/2020 25
3/08/2020 0 4/12/2020 42 5/12/2020 77
3/09/2020 0 4/13/2020 36 5/13/2020 87
3/10/2020 1 4/14/2020 71 5/14/2020 98
3/12/2020 4 4/15/2020 63 5/15/2020 76
3/13/2020 0 4/16/2020 69 5/16/2020 96
3/14/2020 1 4/17/2020 95 5/17/2020 57
3/15/2020 0 4/18/2020 87 5/18/2020 41
3/16/2020 1 4/19/2020 94 5/19/2020 32
3/17/2020 5 4/20/2020 42 5/20/2020 102
3/18/2020 2 4/21/2020 60 5/21/2020 106
3/19/2020 3 4/22/2020 86 5/22/2020 88
3/20/2020 3 4/23/2020 115 5/23/2020 78
3/21/2020 4 4/24/2020 93 5/24/2020 66
3/22/2020 4 4/25/2020 89 5/25/2020 21
3/23/2020 0 4/26/2020 59 5/26/2020 19
3/24/2020 13 4/27/2020 45 5/27/2020 70
3/25/2020 13 4/28/2020 54 5/28/2020 89
3/26/2020 12 4/29/2020 78 5/29/2020 95
3/27/2020 13 4/30/2020 95 5/30/2020 88
3/28/2020 23........................5/31/2020 57
3/30/2020 34
3/31/2020 15
.....TOTAL 4653
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https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA/Pages/NR20-117.aspx
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https://public.tableau.com/views/COVID-19PublicDashboard/Covid-19Public?:embed=y&:display_count=no&:showVizHome=no |
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DuncanIdaho Franchise Player
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Quote: | Coronavirus spread by people with no symptoms 'appears to be rare,' WHO official says
(CNN)The spread of Covid-19 by someone who is not showing symptoms appears to be rare, Maria Van Kerkhove, the World Health Organization's technical lead for coronavirus response and head of the emerging diseases and zoonoses unit, said during a media briefing in Geneva on Monday.
"From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual," Van Kerkhove said on Monday.
"We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. They're following asymptomatic cases, they're following contacts and they're not finding secondary transmission onward. It is very rare -- and much of that is not published in the literature," she said. "We are constantly looking at this data and we're trying to get more information from countries to truly answer this question. It still appears to be rare that an asymptomatic individual actually transmits onward."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread-who-bn/index.html |
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^I’ll wait for more data to come to see if this holds up. Some of these statements by the WHO may need to be taken with a grain of salt.
Back on January 14:
Quote: | ” From the information that we have it is possible that there is limited human-to-human transmission, potentially among families, but it is very clear right now that we have no sustained human-to-human transmission,” said Maria Van Kerkhove, acting head of WHO’s emerging diseases unit.” |
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LakersRGolden Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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DuncanIdaho wrote: | Quote: | Coronavirus spread by people with no symptoms 'appears to be rare,' WHO official says
(CNN)The spread of Covid-19 by someone who is not showing symptoms appears to be rare, Maria Van Kerkhove, the World Health Organization's technical lead for coronavirus response and head of the emerging diseases and zoonoses unit, said during a media briefing in Geneva on Monday.
"From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual," Van Kerkhove said on Monday.
"We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. They're following asymptomatic cases, they're following contacts and they're not finding secondary transmission onward. It is very rare -- and much of that is not published in the literature," she said. "We are constantly looking at this data and we're trying to get more information from countries to truly answer this question. It still appears to be rare that an asymptomatic individual actually transmits onward."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread-who-bn/index.html |
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The title is misleading. Pre-symptomatic people are currently "with no symptoms" but will not continue on to be asymptomatic. The article mentions pre-symptomatic definitely are spreaders. |
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That is pretty much the case with California. California did not open early though there are the stages of easing.
It all comes down to how well people, wherever they are, follow social distancing guidelines. And they don't. |
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ribeye wrote: |
That is pretty much the case with California. California did not open early though there are the stages of easing.
It all comes down to how well people, wherever they are, follow social distancing guidelines. And they don't. |
All the sacrifices we made by staying at home to contain the spread, was all wiped away these last 10 days. Expect the numbers to skyrocket again very soon. |
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Hector the Pup Retired Number
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It's already happening. Texas isn't the only state where this is happening. |
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DuncanIdaho Franchise Player
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LakersRGolden wrote: | DuncanIdaho wrote: | Quote: | Coronavirus spread by people with no symptoms 'appears to be rare,' WHO official says
(CNN)The spread of Covid-19 by someone who is not showing symptoms appears to be rare, Maria Van Kerkhove, the World Health Organization's technical lead for coronavirus response and head of the emerging diseases and zoonoses unit, said during a media briefing in Geneva on Monday.
"From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual," Van Kerkhove said on Monday.
"We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. They're following asymptomatic cases, they're following contacts and they're not finding secondary transmission onward. It is very rare -- and much of that is not published in the literature," she said. "We are constantly looking at this data and we're trying to get more information from countries to truly answer this question. It still appears to be rare that an asymptomatic individual actually transmits onward."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread-who-bn/index.html |
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The title is misleading. Pre-symptomatic people are currently "with no symptoms" but will not continue on to be asymptomatic. The article mentions pre-symptomatic definitely are spreaders. |
Right, but those people will have come in contact with symptomatic people, so with contact tracing you can figure out who to isolate. The big worry was random asymptomatic people walking around could be spreaders and randomly spawn outbreaks, which doesn’t appear to be the case. If true, with good contact tracing, this really lets us be more surgical about who needs to isolate, rather than using a giant hammer and locking down everyone. |
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La County gyms can start opening this Friday |
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https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/orange-countys-chief-health-officer-resigns-after-criticism-over-face-coverings/2377096/
Quote: | Orange County's chief health officer, Dr. Nichole Quick, resigned
Monday night after drawing criticism from residents for her order last month to require face coverings as the county allowed some businesses to reopen.
Quick was receiving heightened security due to threats stemming from her the mask order. Protesters brought a poster with Quick's photo on it with a Hitler mustache on her face and swastikas to a Board of Supervisors meeting.
Supervisor Doug Chaffee said Quick resigned apparently because "it was too much for her. She has three young children and she's been severely criticized by people who came out demanding her resignation, demonstrations in front of her home."
"She's done her best to give her medical opinion and it's not popular so she has resigned." |
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C M B wrote: | https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/orange-countys-chief-health-officer-resigns-after-criticism-over-face-coverings/2377096/
Quote: | Orange County's chief health officer, Dr. Nichole Quick, resigned
Monday night after drawing criticism from residents for her order last month to require face coverings as the county allowed some businesses to reopen.
Quick was receiving heightened security due to threats stemming from her the mask order. Protesters brought a poster with Quick's photo on it with a Hitler mustache on her face and swastikas to a Board of Supervisors meeting.
Supervisor Doug Chaffee said Quick resigned apparently because "it was too much for her. She has three young children and she's been severely criticized by people who came out demanding her resignation, demonstrations in front of her home."
"She's done her best to give her medical opinion and it's not popular so she has resigned." |
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An update from the World Health Organization:
Quote: | WHO walks back comments on asymptomatic coronavirus spread, says much is still unknown
The World Health Organization walked back comments made Monday when one of its top scientists said transmission of the coronavirus by people who never developed symptoms is “very rare,” which drew skepticism from physicians and others across social media.
That admission sent shock waves throughout the world, much of which has been locked down for months for fear of spreading the virus by people who show no signs of illness.
Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of the WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said Tuesday that asymptomatic spread is a “really complex question” and much is still unknown. “We don’t actually have that answer yet,” she said.
“I was responding to a question at the press conference. I wasn’t stating a policy of WHO or anything like that. I was just trying to articulate what we know,” she said on a live Q&A streamed across multiple social media platforms. “And in that, I used the phrase ‘very rare,’ and I think that that’s misunderstanding to state that asymptomatic transmission globally is very rare. I was referring to a small subset of studies.”
Read more: Coronavirus live updates: WHO clarifies remarks on asymptomatic spread; data shows China had virus in fall
Studies show that about 16% of the population may be asymptomatic, she said. Some models developed by other scientists suggest as much as 40% of global transmission may be due to asymptomatic individuals, she said, clarifying her comments.
“Some estimates of around 40% of transmission may be due to asymptomatic, but those are from models, so I didn’t include that in my answer yesterday, but wanted to make sure that I covered that here,” Kerkhove said.
The majority of transmission is from people who have symptoms and are spreading it through infectious droplets, she said. “But there are a subset of people who don’t develop symptoms. To truly understand how many people don’t have symptoms, we don’t actually have that answer yet,” she added.
While asymptomatic spread of the coronavirus does occur, the portion of asymptomatic individuals who transmit the virus remains a “big open question,” Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO’s emergencies program, said during the Q&A.
“There is much to be answered on this. There is much that is unknown,” he added. “It’s clear that both symptomatic and asymptomatic individuals are part of the transmission cycle. The question is what is the relative contribution of each group to overall number of cases.”
An asymptomatic person is someone with Covid-19 who doesn’t have symptoms and never develops symptoms. Both scientists clarified that it’s not the same as someone who later develops symptoms, who would be classified as pre-symptomatic.
On Monday, WHO officials said asymptomatic people aren’t driving the spread of the virus, casting doubt on concerns by some researchers that the disease could be difficult to contain due to asymptomatic infections.
“From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” Kerkhove said at a news briefing Monday from the WHO’s Geneva headquarters. “It’s very rare.”
Ryan acknowledged that Kerkhove’s comments created a stir, saying they may have been “misinterpreted or maybe we didn’t use the most elegant words to explain that.”
“We need that debate,” he said.
“If journalists and the public think we’re straying away from evidence, then fine,” he said. “That’s what this is for. If you think there isn’t a basis for what we’re saying then let’s have that debate one-on-one. That’s why we’re here. That was not intended. That was not the intention of the statement.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/09/who-scrambles-to-clarify-comments-on-asymptomatic-coronavirus-spread-much-is-still-unknown.html |
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JerryWest_44 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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California Covid Deaths for June 9, 2020
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2,486,245 Tests Performed
....2,486,245 Results Rec'd (0 PENDING)
.......133,489 POSITIVE
....2,352,756 NEGATIVE
Day............#.Day............#...Day..........#
2/26/2020 0 4/01/2020 21 5/01/2020 91 6/01/2020 38 (24 from LA Co)
2/27/2020 0 4/02/2020 32 5/02/2020 98 6/02/2020 35 (22 from LA Co)
2/28/2020 0 4/03/2020 34 5/03/2020 44 6/03/2020 75 (59 from LA Co)
2/29/2020 0 4/04/2020 39 5/04/2020 39 6/04/2020 61 (46 from LA Co)
3/01/2020 0 4/05/2020 43 5/05/2020 63 6/05/2020 63 (14 from LA Co)
3/02/2020 0 4/06/2020 24 5/06/2020 95 6/06/2020 74 (34 from LA Co)
3/03/2020 0 4/07/2020 31 5/07/2020 92 6/07/2020 67 (55 from LA Co)
3/04/2020 1 4/08/2020 68 5/08/2020 81 6/08/2020 27 (25 from LA Co)
3/05/2020 0 4/09/2020 50 5/09/2020 93 6/09/2020 44 (10 from LA Co)
3/06/2020 0 4/10/2020 49 5/10/2020 67
3/07/2020 0 4/11/2020 68 5/11/2020 25
3/08/2020 0 4/12/2020 42 5/12/2020 77
3/09/2020 0 4/13/2020 36 5/13/2020 87
3/10/2020 1 4/14/2020 71 5/14/2020 98
3/12/2020 4 4/15/2020 63 5/15/2020 76
3/13/2020 0 4/16/2020 69 5/16/2020 96
3/14/2020 1 4/17/2020 95 5/17/2020 57
3/15/2020 0 4/18/2020 87 5/18/2020 41
3/16/2020 1 4/19/2020 94 5/19/2020 32
3/17/2020 5 4/20/2020 42 5/20/2020 102
3/18/2020 2 4/21/2020 60 5/21/2020 106
3/19/2020 3 4/22/2020 86 5/22/2020 88
3/20/2020 3 4/23/2020 115 5/23/2020 78
3/21/2020 4 4/24/2020 93 5/24/2020 66
3/22/2020 4 4/25/2020 89 5/25/2020 21
3/23/2020 0 4/26/2020 59 5/26/2020 19
3/24/2020 13 4/27/2020 45 5/27/2020 70
3/25/2020 13 4/28/2020 54 5/28/2020 89
3/26/2020 12 4/29/2020 78 5/29/2020 95
3/27/2020 13 4/30/2020 95 5/30/2020 88
3/28/2020 23........................5/31/2020 57
3/30/2020 34
3/31/2020 15
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https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA/Pages/NR20-118.aspx
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55 wrote: | ribeye wrote: |
That is pretty much the case with California. California did not open early though there are the stages of easing.
It all comes down to how well people, wherever they are, follow social distancing guidelines. And they don't. |
All the sacrifices we made by staying at home to contain the spread, was all wiped away these last 10 days. Expect the numbers to skyrocket again very soon. |
That's what happens when you don't address a pandemic on a national level. Look at what New Zealand did. With a competent, young female Prime Minister in Jacinda Ardern they've practically eliminated the virus from their 4 million person population. New Zealand does a huge amount of trade and commerce with China and other Asian nations hard hit by the virus. But they followed the pandemic playbook effectively.
Dramatic and quick ramp up in testing, contact tracing, swift and tough lockdown, and the rules were communicated effectively to the population. She may be the best leader of a country at the moment in my opinion. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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kikanga wrote: | 55 wrote: | ribeye wrote: |
That is pretty much the case with California. California did not open early though there are the stages of easing.
It all comes down to how well people, wherever they are, follow social distancing guidelines. And they don't. |
All the sacrifices we made by staying at home to contain the spread, was all wiped away these last 10 days. Expect the numbers to skyrocket again very soon. |
That's what happens when you don't address a pandemic on a national level. Look at what New Zealand did. With a competent, young female Prime Minister in Jacinda Ardern they've practically eliminated the virus from their 4 million person population. New Zealand does a huge amount of trade and commerce with China and other Asian nations hard hit by the virus. But they followed the pandemic playbook effectively.
Dramatic and quick ramp up in testing, contact tracing, swift and tough lockdown, and the rules were communicated effectively to the population. She may be the best leader of a country at the moment in my opinion. |
She's good but like you said, they only have 4 million people and they live on an island. |
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I firmly believe that our population here simply would never have the stomach to follow orders. We aren't a disciplined people or culture here. Now, don't get me wrong: Trump's inaction early on cost us big time. I'm just saying that, absent of literally enforcing extreme martial law and not allowing people to leave their homes basically for any reason, American citizens were never going to have the stomach or discipline to stay at home for 6 weeks, to wear masks at all times outside if they did leave the house, and all that.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: we aren't a good people. |
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ChickenStu wrote: | ^
I firmly believe that our population here simply would never have the stomach to follow orders. We aren't a disciplined people or culture here. Now, don't get me wrong: Trump's inaction early on cost us big time. I'm just saying that, absent of literally enforcing extreme martial law and not allowing people to leave their homes basically for any reason, American citizens were never going to have the stomach or discipline to stay at home for 6 weeks, to wear masks at all times outside if they did leave the house, and all that.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: we aren't a good people. |
It's not about being good or bad. This country has a long tradition of its people not liking the government telling them what they can and cannot do. That starts with better freedom of speech laws and individual protections than other countries and trickles down from there. We do however also have a LOT of idiots. |
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DuncanIdaho wrote: | ChickenStu wrote: | ^
I firmly believe that our population here simply would never have the stomach to follow orders. We aren't a disciplined people or culture here. Now, don't get me wrong: Trump's inaction early on cost us big time. I'm just saying that, absent of literally enforcing extreme martial law and not allowing people to leave their homes basically for any reason, American citizens were never going to have the stomach or discipline to stay at home for 6 weeks, to wear masks at all times outside if they did leave the house, and all that.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: we aren't a good people. |
It's not about being good or bad. This country has a long tradition of its people not liking the government telling them what they can and cannot do. That starts with better freedom of speech laws and individual protections than other countries and trickles down from there. We do however also have a LOT of idiots. |
As I said, our people don't have the discipline, the will, whatever you want to call it. And I did mention culture, and what you are talking about is a part of the culture here, yes. And yes, we have a lot of idiots, and bigots, and I could go on and on. |
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If we had a federal plan for testing (including adequate supplies), quarantining those infected and contact tracing, and it was implemented at the first signs of outbreak, we wouldn't have needed mass social distancing and large scale lock downs.
Of course the Obama administration did leave a plan and structures to handle a pandemic, but it was ignored and dismantled. |
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At the VERY LEAST if the “president” hadn’t turned wearing masks into a political issue and led by example resulting in much earlier and wider spread mask wearing we’d be in a much better position than we are now. |
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kikanga wrote: | 55 wrote: | ribeye wrote: |
That is pretty much the case with California. California did not open early though there are the stages of easing.
It all comes down to how well people, wherever they are, follow social distancing guidelines. And they don't. |
All the sacrifices we made by staying at home to contain the spread, was all wiped away these last 10 days. Expect the numbers to skyrocket again very soon. |
That's what happens when you don't address a pandemic on a national level. Look at what New Zealand did. With a competent, young female Prime Minister in Jacinda Ardern they've practically eliminated the virus from their 4 million person population. New Zealand does a huge amount of trade and commerce with China and other Asian nations hard hit by the virus. But they followed the pandemic playbook effectively.
Dramatic and quick ramp up in testing, contact tracing, swift and tough lockdown, and the rules were communicated effectively to the population. She may be the best leader of a country at the moment in my opinion. |
The scales are way too different to compare. 4 mil in a small area is much easier to control than 330 mil across 50 states. Kudos to her regardless, just not a good example. |
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There already are great contact-tracing apps in use in other countries. If someone tests positive, the data knows everyone whom that person came into close-enough contact with over the last X days, and sends an alert to those people's phones. The aggregate data helps us understand the epidemiological patterns. Of course, something like that would NEVER fly here. |
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