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PLATNUM
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| ChickenStu wrote: | Andy Slavitt @
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NOW: A major hospital in the Midwest has reached its limit on ventilators minutes ago.
They are handing out forms saying that only those “with the best chance of survival” will get care. Others will be getting pain medication. 1/
9:26 PM · Mar 26, 2020·Twitter for iPhone |
I'm no doctor, but that seems a little backwards to me.
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| PLATNUM wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | Andy Slavitt @
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NOW: A major hospital in the Midwest has reached its limit on ventilators minutes ago.
They are handing out forms saying that only those “with the best chance of survival” will get care. Others will be getting pain medication. 1/
9:26 PM · Mar 26, 2020·Twitter for iPhone |
I'm no doctor, but that seems a little backwards to me. |
I think Andy meant to say "the likelihood of getting better"..anyways he made it up and its not happening yet. likely all hospitals have something like this in place now. |
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What is key is the death rate. The USA has been pretty steady at around 1.4%
Italy is at 10%
Spain is at 7%
China is at 4% (if u believe their #s)
S Korea at 1.4%
Looking for a website that graphs the death rate by country... |
also to note, patient zero is said to have arrived in the US 10 days before Italy |
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My God, over 10% kill rate in Italy. Such a beautiful country and such wonderful people.
I have traveled there, I remember getting up early in some tiny town in the Piedmont, taking photos of the town and a sweet old lady who spoke no English saw me and escorted me around the town pointing out the sights. So proud of her town. One town where a kid heard me speaking English and said "American, where you from?" I said California. And he lit up and said Los Angeles? Lakers, Kobe!!! I said yeah Kobe and we high fived.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| JerryWest_44 wrote: |
What is key is the death rate. The USA has been pretty steady at around 1.4%
Italy is at 10%
Spain is at 7%
China is at 4% (if u believe their #s)
S Korea at 1.4%
Looking for a website that graphs the death rate by country... |
Suppression has been so key. And it's why we should keep suppressing till there is a treatment.
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| UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson tests positive for coronavirus. |
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| PLATNUM wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | Andy Slavitt @
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NOW: A major hospital in the Midwest has reached its limit on ventilators minutes ago.
They are handing out forms saying that only those “with the best chance of survival” will get care. Others will be getting pain medication. 1/
9:26 PM · Mar 26, 2020·Twitter for iPhone |
I'm no doctor, but that seems a little backwards to me. |
Unfortunately that's what triage is in a mass casualty situation. Prioritizing treatment based on the chances of survival is the only way to save the most lives.
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson tests positive for coronavirus. |
Oh that's a shame . . .
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | PLATNUM wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | Andy Slavitt @
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NOW: A major hospital in the Midwest has reached its limit on ventilators minutes ago.
They are handing out forms saying that only those “with the best chance of survival” will get care. Others will be getting pain medication. 1/
9:26 PM · Mar 26, 2020·Twitter for iPhone |
I'm no doctor, but that seems a little backwards to me. |
Unfortunately that's what triage is in a mass casualty situation. Prioritizing treatment based on the chances of survival is the only way to save the most lives. |
Yes, this where those who smoke and or are morbidly obese regret a lot of their past decisions. And I don't say that to make light of it or make fun of anyone. These are some of the facts that Dr.'s go by when they are called upon to make these decisions.
The mental anguish that Dr.'s will have the rest of their lives thinking about these decisions they make are hard to comprehend. I can see a wave of PTSD coming down the line with those in the medical field when this is all over.
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| Nnamdi21 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | Andy Slavitt @
@ASlavitt
NOW: A major hospital in the Midwest has reached its limit on ventilators minutes ago.
They are handing out forms saying that only those “with the best chance of survival” will get care. Others will be getting pain medication. 1/
9:26 PM · Mar 26, 2020·Twitter for iPhone |
https://twitter.com/HenryFordNews/status/1243402940255055879?s=20
Looks like its not implemented yet. not sure why he would say it has. Probably to get a rise out of people?. Reminds me of that tweet some Seattle physican sent 2 weeks ago which stated they are over run by cases and overwhelmed only to be proven false by nurses and doctors working there.. |
As to this tweet and comments within, after CNN tweeted:
| Quote: | | Obama urges Americans to continue social distancing, despite President Trump's wishes about opening up the country |
Ben Shapiro tweeted:
| Quote: | | At no point has Trump urged people to stop social distancing. This is a lie by insinuation. |
Trump has done more than insinuate. He sent this letter to governors:
Jim Acosta
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Trump letter to governors that states the admin working to publish new guidelines for state and local leader to make decisions about “maintaining, increasing, or relaxing social distancing... |
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actemra (Tolicizumab) gets some good news and hydroxychloroquine gets some bad news out of italy.
"according to doctors treating coronovirus patients in Italy, Tolicizumab, a drug used to treat moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, has been shown to be more effective than hydroxychloroquine. Tolicizumab is so effective that the FDA gives green lights to Phase III Tocilizumab Trial for COVID-19 pneumonia.
In response to a question from another doctor on hydroxychloroquine, Dr. Giusppe Galati said in a tweet: “Dear
@DrLuizSilva1 despite the large noise on social media. Here in Flag of Italy they are trying several combinations of antiviral included the combination HCQ + azithro. Infectivologist refer little benefit. The unique drug which is causing impressive improvement is #Tolicizumab.”
https://techstartups.com/2020/03/27/breaking-tolicizumab-shown-effective-hydroxychloroquine-treating-coronavirus-patients-doctors-say/ |
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Mark_in_Tulsa
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| Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| ribeye wrote: | | Nnamdi21 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | Andy Slavitt @
@ASlavitt
NOW: A major hospital in the Midwest has reached its limit on ventilators minutes ago.
They are handing out forms saying that only those “with the best chance of survival” will get care. Others will be getting pain medication. 1/
9:26 PM · Mar 26, 2020·Twitter for iPhone |
https://twitter.com/HenryFordNews/status/1243402940255055879?s=20
Looks like its not implemented yet. not sure why he would say it has. Probably to get a rise out of people?. Reminds me of that tweet some Seattle physican sent 2 weeks ago which stated they are over run by cases and overwhelmed only to be proven false by nurses and doctors working there.. |
As to this tweet and comments within, after CNN tweeted:
| Quote: | | Obama urges Americans to continue social distancing, despite President Trump's wishes about opening up the country |
Ben Shapiro tweeted:
| Quote: | | At no point has Trump urged people to stop social distancing. This is a lie by insinuation. |
Trump has done more than insinuate. He sent this letter to governors:
Jim Acosta
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Trump letter to governors that states the admin working to publish new guidelines for state and local leader to make decisions about “maintaining, increasing, or relaxing social distancing... |
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It clearly says maintain or increase social distancing. Yes it says "or relaxing".
But you can twist it how you like. But until you see what the new guidelines are this is a moot point.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| cal1piggy wrote: | actemra (Tolicizumab) gets some good news and hydroxychloroquine gets some bad news out of italy.
"according to doctors treating coronovirus patients in Italy, Tolicizumab, a drug used to treat moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, has been shown to be more effective than hydroxychloroquine. Tolicizumab is so effective that the FDA gives green lights to Phase III Tocilizumab Trial for COVID-19 pneumonia.
In response to a question from another doctor on hydroxychloroquine, Dr. Giusppe Galati said in a tweet: “Dear
@DrLuizSilva1 despite the large noise on social media. Here in Flag of Italy they are trying several combinations of antiviral included the combination HCQ + azithro. Infectivologist refer little benefit. The unique drug which is causing impressive improvement is #Tolicizumab.”
https://techstartups.com/2020/03/27/breaking-tolicizumab-shown-effective-hydroxychloroquine-treating-coronavirus-patients-doctors-say/ |
I hope this doesn't become the case of which drug company can bribe whomever to endorse their drug over another one that is generic and cheap.
Obviously we don't know if Chloroquine is the real deal or not with this. Most evidence has shown that it helps. But ideally with it being cheap and readily available this would be the ideal situation. But alas, it's probably not a very profitable drug.
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| Mark_in_Tulsa wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | Nnamdi21 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | Andy Slavitt @
@ASlavitt
NOW: A major hospital in the Midwest has reached its limit on ventilators minutes ago.
They are handing out forms saying that only those “with the best chance of survival” will get care. Others will be getting pain medication. 1/
9:26 PM · Mar 26, 2020·Twitter for iPhone |
https://twitter.com/HenryFordNews/status/1243402940255055879?s=20
Looks like its not implemented yet. not sure why he would say it has. Probably to get a rise out of people?. Reminds me of that tweet some Seattle physican sent 2 weeks ago which stated they are over run by cases and overwhelmed only to be proven false by nurses and doctors working there.. |
As to this tweet and comments within, after CNN tweeted:
| Quote: | | Obama urges Americans to continue social distancing, despite President Trump's wishes about opening up the country |
Ben Shapiro tweeted:
| Quote: | | At no point has Trump urged people to stop social distancing. This is a lie by insinuation. |
Trump has done more than insinuate. He sent this letter to governors:
Jim Acosta
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Trump letter to governors that states the admin working to publish new guidelines for state and local leader to make decisions about “maintaining, increasing, or relaxing social distancing... |
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It clearly says maintain or increase social distancing. Yes it says "or relaxing".
But you can twist it how you like. But until you see what the new guidelines are this is a moot point. |
No matter how anyone wants to "twist" Trump's words or intentions, it is clearly premature to be talking about relaxing standards. |
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| Mark_in_Tulsa wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | actemra (Tolicizumab) gets some good news and hydroxychloroquine gets some bad news out of italy.
"according to doctors treating coronovirus patients in Italy, Tolicizumab, a drug used to treat moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, has been shown to be more effective than hydroxychloroquine. Tolicizumab is so effective that the FDA gives green lights to Phase III Tocilizumab Trial for COVID-19 pneumonia.
In response to a question from another doctor on hydroxychloroquine, Dr. Giusppe Galati said in a tweet: “Dear
@DrLuizSilva1 despite the large noise on social media. Here in Flag of Italy they are trying several combinations of antiviral included the combination HCQ + azithro. Infectivologist refer little benefit. The unique drug which is causing impressive improvement is #Tolicizumab.”
https://techstartups.com/2020/03/27/breaking-tolicizumab-shown-effective-hydroxychloroquine-treating-coronavirus-patients-doctors-say/ |
I hope this doesn't become the case of which drug company can bribe whomever to endorse their drug over another one that is generic and cheap.
Obviously we don't know if Chloroquine is the real deal or not with this. Most evidence has shown that it helps. But ideally with it being cheap and readily available this would be the ideal situation. But alas, it's probably not a very profitable drug. |
at this time, most of us will settle for anything at works.
twitter feed with tweets from italy (some english): https://twitter.com/hashtag/tolicizumab?lang=en |
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Great read from a doctor working in NYC concerning younger folks and coronavirus.
LINK
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| ribeye wrote: | | Mark_in_Tulsa wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | Nnamdi21 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | Andy Slavitt @
@ASlavitt
NOW: A major hospital in the Midwest has reached its limit on ventilators minutes ago.
They are handing out forms saying that only those “with the best chance of survival” will get care. Others will be getting pain medication. 1/
9:26 PM · Mar 26, 2020·Twitter for iPhone |
https://twitter.com/HenryFordNews/status/1243402940255055879?s=20
Looks like its not implemented yet. not sure why he would say it has. Probably to get a rise out of people?. Reminds me of that tweet some Seattle physican sent 2 weeks ago which stated they are over run by cases and overwhelmed only to be proven false by nurses and doctors working there.. |
As to this tweet and comments within, after CNN tweeted:
| Quote: | | Obama urges Americans to continue social distancing, despite President Trump's wishes about opening up the country |
Ben Shapiro tweeted:
| Quote: | | At no point has Trump urged people to stop social distancing. This is a lie by insinuation. |
Trump has done more than insinuate. He sent this letter to governors:
Jim Acosta
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Trump letter to governors that states the admin working to publish new guidelines for state and local leader to make decisions about “maintaining, increasing, or relaxing social distancing... |
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It clearly says maintain or increase social distancing. Yes it says "or relaxing".
But you can twist it how you like. But until you see what the new guidelines are this is a moot point. |
No matter how anyone wants to "twist" Trump's words or intentions, it is clearly premature to be talking about relaxing standards. |
No I agree. But I'm of the mindset that he says stuff like this to keep faith in the US economy, and to boost the market.
Now yes it's a double edge sword that may cause the ignorant to relax on their social distancing and hand washing, when he says things like this.
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| numero-ocho wrote: | Great read from a doctor working in NYC concerning younger folks and coronavirus.
LINK |
| Quote: | | Only 50 percent said that they were concerned about contracting COVID-19. Fifty-three percent admitted that they or their friends had gone to social gatherings in the previous week. |
That 53% of 20 somethings is going to keep the lockdown going for many more months than it had to be. |
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Dyson to make 15,000 ventilators
"This new device can be manufactured quickly, efficiently and at volume," Dyson added, saying that the new ventilator has been designed to "address the specific needs" of coronavirus patients. |
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Trump's denying numbers. He makes decisions on his beliefs not what numbers say.
Trump supporters are in denial or are delusional. Relax by any other terms is relax. China made the mistake of relaxing. The ensuing action should be examined by those who support relaxing.
Trump Rejects New York’s Plea For Ventilators: ‘I Don’t Believe You Need’ That Many
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| Quote: | New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) responded Friday by saying the numbers were based on facts, not a belief or a feeling.
“I don’t operate on opinion. I operate on facts, data, projections,” Cuomo said at his daily press conference, explaining the numbers are based on projections from public health experts.
“All the projections say you could have an apex of 40,000 ventilators,” he said. “Make the decisions based on the data and the science. |
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| jodeke wrote: | Trump's denying numbers. He makes decisions on his beliefs not what numbers say.
Trump supporters are in denial or are delusional. Relax by any other terms is relax. China made the mistake of relaxing. The ensuing action should be headed by those who support relaxing.
Trump Rejects New York’s Plea For Ventilators: ‘I Don’t Believe You Need’ That Many
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| Quote: | New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) responded Friday by saying the numbers were based on facts, not a belief or a feeling.
“I don’t operate on opinion. I operate on facts, data, projections,” Cuomo said at his daily press conference, explaining the numbers are based on projections from public health experts.
“All the projections say you could have an apex of 40,000 ventilators,” he said. “Make the decisions based on the data and the science. |
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Same people trying to downplay the virus are hunkering down in their bunkers with a (bleep) ton of food, toilet paper, and guns. |
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| jodeke wrote: | Trump's denying numbers. He makes decisions on his beliefs not what numbers say.
Trump supporters are in denial or are delusional. Relax by any other terms is relax. China made the mistake of relaxing. The results should be a warning to those who support relaxing.
Trump Rejects New York’s Plea For Ventilators: ‘I Don’t Believe You Need’ That Many
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| Quote: | New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) responded Friday by saying the numbers were based on facts, not a belief or a feeling.
“I don’t operate on opinion. I operate on facts, data, projections,” Cuomo said at his daily press conference, explaining the numbers are based on projections from public health experts.
“All the projections say you could have an apex of 40,000 ventilators,” he said. “Make the decisions based on the data and the science. |
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And then, in an apparent about-face:
Trump orders GM to make ventilators, without contract, at someone else's factory, by tweet |
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Not a big Gavin Newsom guy, but he's done a pretty good job in comparison. I wish he'd use the national guard to stop these idiots from sunning at the beach or playing pickup basketball, but whatever.
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