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WindyCityLakerFan Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:44 pm Post subject: If you drafted Tatum over Ball |
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Would you still do the Anthony Davis trade. Tatum , Ingram and the number 4 is a huge haul for Davis not including Hart and the other picks |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: If you drafted Tatum over Ball |
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WindyCityLakerFan wrote: | Would you still do the Anthony Davis trade. Tatum , Ingram and the number 4 is a huge haul for Davis not including Hart and the other picks |
we probably don't get the #4 pick if Tatum has a full healthy year for us.. Even if Ball had a full healthy year for us, i think we win an extra game or two |
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KindCrippler2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Ball is a walking triple double when healthy. Different kind of players. |
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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People said I was dumb when I suggested drafting Tatum, because we had Randle. I suggested trade Randle and build around BI and Tatum, while keeping DLO. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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I wanted us to draft Tatum and wouldn’t have traded him for AD _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Outspoken Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't have traded him for AD. I wouldn't even have traded BI for AD though. They are building pieces for the future. |
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deal Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | I wanted us to draft Tatum and wouldn’t have traded him for AD |
Same here... _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team ! |
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lakersfever714 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Obviously not. I wanted to trade for AD because the Lakers finally were willing to get rid of Lonzo. If we had Tatum instead Lonzo, then I wouldn't want to trade for AD. Lonzo's first three seasons in the league have been with lottery team. He stinks everywhere he goes. He's great if you want lottery picks. Tatum had flashes of Kobe in his rookie year. Obviously, he would be a keeper. _________________ LeGoat! LeMazing! LeGend! |
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WindyCityLakerFan Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: If you drafted Tatum over Ball |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | WindyCityLakerFan wrote: | Would you still do the Anthony Davis trade. Tatum , Ingram and the number 4 is a huge haul for Davis not including Hart and the other picks |
we probably don't get the #4 pick if Tatum has a full healthy year for us.. Even if Ball had a full healthy year for us, i think we win an extra game or two |
Even if we don’t get the number 4 it still would have been a lottery pick which I’m sure New Orleans would have wanted |
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mad55557777 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: If you drafted Tatum over Ball |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | WindyCityLakerFan wrote: | Would you still do the Anthony Davis trade. Tatum , Ingram and the number 4 is a huge haul for Davis not including Hart and the other picks |
we probably don't get the #4 pick if Tatum has a full healthy year for us.. Even if Ball had a full healthy year for us, i think we win an extra game or two |
We got the 4th pick because we got lucky, not because we had the 4th worst record
The bad thing here is that all the rookies outside our morant has been underwhelming |
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mad55557777 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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If we drafted Tatum over ball, I would still do the AD trade in a heart beat, but. We wouldn’t need to include both Tatum and BI, or at least not those picks |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: If you drafted Tatum over Ball |
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mad55557777 wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | WindyCityLakerFan wrote: | Would you still do the Anthony Davis trade. Tatum , Ingram and the number 4 is a huge haul for Davis not including Hart and the other picks |
we probably don't get the #4 pick if Tatum has a full healthy year for us.. Even if Ball had a full healthy year for us, i think we win an extra game or two |
We got the 4th pick because we got lucky, not because we had the 4th worst record
The bad thing here is that all the rookies outside our morant has been underwhelming |
the 4th pick went to the team with the 10th or 11th worst record, and it would have if we had Tatum.. but i don't think we would have had the 10th or 11th worst record.. |
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al242 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Ball is a walking triple double when healthy. Different kind of players. |
More like a walking triple single.... |
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mad55557777 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: If you drafted Tatum over Ball |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | mad55557777 wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | WindyCityLakerFan wrote: | Would you still do the Anthony Davis trade. Tatum , Ingram and the number 4 is a huge haul for Davis not including Hart and the other picks |
we probably don't get the #4 pick if Tatum has a full healthy year for us.. Even if Ball had a full healthy year for us, i think we win an extra game or two |
We got the 4th pick because we got lucky, not because we had the 4th worst record
The bad thing here is that all the rookies outside our morant has been underwhelming |
the 4th pick went to the team with the 10th or 11th worst record, and it would have if we had Tatum.. but i don't think we would have had the 10th or 11th worst record.. |
I don’t think we’d made the playoffs after lebron was hurt. Without Lonzo, BI would’ve been forced to play PG. Tatum might look good now, but he is not a creator for other people. |
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mad55557777 Franchise Player
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al242 wrote: | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Ball is a walking triple double when healthy. Different kind of players. |
More like a walking triple single.... |
Lol, so true |
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JerryWest_44 Retired Number
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If the Queen had nads she be King |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: If you drafted Tatum over Ball |
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mad55557777 wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | mad55557777 wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | WindyCityLakerFan wrote: | Would you still do the Anthony Davis trade. Tatum , Ingram and the number 4 is a huge haul for Davis not including Hart and the other picks |
we probably don't get the #4 pick if Tatum has a full healthy year for us.. Even if Ball had a full healthy year for us, i think we win an extra game or two |
We got the 4th pick because we got lucky, not because we had the 4th worst record
The bad thing here is that all the rookies outside our morant has been underwhelming |
the 4th pick went to the team with the 10th or 11th worst record, and it would have if we had Tatum.. but i don't think we would have had the 10th or 11th worst record.. |
I don’t think we’d made the playoffs after lebron was hurt. Without Lonzo, BI would’ve been forced to play PG. Tatum might look good now, but he is not a creator for other people. |
yea i don't think we'd make the playoffs either but we wouldn't have been in the fortunate slot for #3 |
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l4kerz Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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mad55557777 wrote: | If we drafted Tatum over ball, I would still do the AD trade in a heart beat, but. We wouldn’t need to include both Tatum and BI, or at least not those picks |
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methdxman Star Player
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KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Ball is a walking triple double when healthy. Different kind of players. |
Ball is a bust. He puts in the lowest energy triple doubles ever.
And nobody wants to see him with the ball in the 4th quarter with his lack of confidence and terrible FT shooting.
He's a bust plain and simple for a #2 pick. |
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LaLaLakeShow Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:17 am Post subject: |
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methdxman wrote: | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Ball is a walking triple double when healthy. Different kind of players. |
Ball is a bust. He puts in the lowest energy triple doubles ever.
And nobody wants to see him with the ball in the 4th quarter with his lack of confidence and terrible FT shooting.
He's a bust plain and simple for a #2 pick. |
Over the last month he’s averaging 14-7-7 with 1.5 steals a game while shooting 38% from 3.
Little early in a player’s career to say that.
People thought Billups was garbage for years.
Wonder what ever happened to that guy. _________________ Mamba Made Moments Meticulously Magnificent |
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:15 am Post subject: |
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LaLaLakeShow wrote: | methdxman wrote: | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Ball is a walking triple double when healthy. Different kind of players. |
Ball is a bust. He puts in the lowest energy triple doubles ever.
And nobody wants to see him with the ball in the 4th quarter with his lack of confidence and terrible FT shooting.
He's a bust plain and simple for a #2 pick. |
Over the last month he’s averaging 14-7-7 with 1.5 steals a game while shooting 38% from 3.
Little early in a player’s career to say that.
People thought Billups was garbage for years.
Wonder what ever happened to that guy. |
Ball definitely isn’t a bust. Lakers fans don’t ever appreciate what they have. If Kobe played today, in the world of Twitter, he would have never made it through his first 4 seasons. Would be on the Pelicans or something. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:19 am Post subject: |
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AFireInside619 wrote: | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | methdxman wrote: | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Ball is a walking triple double when healthy. Different kind of players. |
Ball is a bust. He puts in the lowest energy triple doubles ever.
And nobody wants to see him with the ball in the 4th quarter with his lack of confidence and terrible FT shooting.
He's a bust plain and simple for a #2 pick. |
Over the last month he’s averaging 14-7-7 with 1.5 steals a game while shooting 38% from 3.
Little early in a player’s career to say that.
People thought Billups was garbage for years.
Wonder what ever happened to that guy. |
Ball definitely isn’t a bust. Lakers fans don’t ever appreciate what they have. If Kobe played today, in the world of Twitter, he would have never made it through his first 4 seasons. Would be on the Pelicans or something. |
Probably the strangest thing I’ve noticed over the last decade or so is the ever increasing lack of patience from fan bases when it comes to player development. Even more odd when you consider just how young these prospects are most times. _________________ Mamba Made Moments Meticulously Magnificent |
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:02 am Post subject: |
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LaLaLakeShow wrote: | AFireInside619 wrote: | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | methdxman wrote: | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Ball is a walking triple double when healthy. Different kind of players. |
Ball is a bust. He puts in the lowest energy triple doubles ever.
And nobody wants to see him with the ball in the 4th quarter with his lack of confidence and terrible FT shooting.
He's a bust plain and simple for a #2 pick. |
Over the last month he’s averaging 14-7-7 with 1.5 steals a game while shooting 38% from 3.
Little early in a player’s career to say that.
People thought Billups was garbage for years.
Wonder what ever happened to that guy. |
Ball definitely isn’t a bust. Lakers fans don’t ever appreciate what they have. If Kobe played today, in the world of Twitter, he would have never made it through his first 4 seasons. Would be on the Pelicans or something. |
Probably the strangest thing I’ve noticed over the last decade or so is the ever increasing lack of patience from fan bases when it comes to player development. Even more odd when you consider just how young these prospects are most times. |
I think Kobe’s Legacy has hurt this franchise in terms of fan expectations. People used to call ESPN 710 daily to say that 19 year old DLO a bust. Rarely is a draft pick immediately NBA ready. It take a lot of time, training, good coaching, and a bit of luck. |
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KindCrippler2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:19 am Post subject: |
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AFireInside619 wrote: | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | methdxman wrote: | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Ball is a walking triple double when healthy. Different kind of players. |
Ball is a bust. He puts in the lowest energy triple doubles ever.
And nobody wants to see him with the ball in the 4th quarter with his lack of confidence and terrible FT shooting.
He's a bust plain and simple for a #2 pick. |
Over the last month he’s averaging 14-7-7 with 1.5 steals a game while shooting 38% from 3.
Little early in a player’s career to say that.
People thought Billups was garbage for years.
Wonder what ever happened to that guy. |
Ball definitely isn’t a bust. Lakers fans don’t ever appreciate what they have. If Kobe played today, in the world of Twitter, he would have never made it through his first 4 seasons. Would be on the Pelicans or something. |
Unrelated to Ball, but I think the general sentiment (and studies are starting to back this up now) is that Twitter is cancer, especially in terms of the impact it has on self-esteem and health. It's the guys who lay low on social media that end up doing well. Last time Kawhi posted on twitter was 5 years ago, and Kobe joined a few years before his retirement. From a personal standpoint, I'm much happier when I'm not on social media.
I talked about this in another thread, but Kobe, for all his struggles early on, had the benefit of no social media throughout his peak years. Hell, I still remember Bynum's ridiculous myspace profile prior to when he was drafted . Of course Kobe was always going to be good, but the culture was completely different back then. Can't even begin to think of the ramifications the colorado incident would have on Kobe today.. He recovered (thankfully), but the twitter culture of guilty before innocent would have been brutal for him. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:23 am Post subject: |
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It was very obvious that Colangelo wanted Fultz and that Magic wanted Ball, so Ainge was comfortable trading down with the expectation that Tatum would still be there.
If just one of Magic and Colangelo had been the silent type that Ainge was unable to read, Boston wouldn't have traded down and would have just selected Tatum. |
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