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drae
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| levon wrote: | Yall should be careful when citing 2016. The Warriors didn't have a competent scorer off the dribble once their shooters were stifled. Steph Curry had an all-time-worst stinker of a series by his standards. Game 7 was an abomination for him. Harrison Barnes had wide open corner 3's and would miss like 5 in a row. And let's not forget Lebron baiting Draymond and then the Cavs whining to the league office to suspend him for Game 5. They got in the Warriors' heads completely.
Also, it was 4 years ago.
The Clippers have 3 guys who can get their shot off-the-dribble, in unconventional situations. In-between dudes. Three 3-level scorers. That's all you need in the playoffs: tough shot-makers when you get them out of their spots, and a competent supporting cast.
Who else in the playoffs has 1 of those players, let alone 3? The strength-in-numbers Warriors traded in their numbers for one of those after 2016. |
Lou gets shut down by Avery and Caruso in the Playoffs and PG will get monstered by AD.
You need more than "we have players who can shoot off the dribble" to be successful in a playoffs series.
Maybe that's why the Clippers are having as many problems against top 4 teams as the Lakers. If they meet the Rockets in the playoffs they'll be knocked out. Then they can go back to their base and wonder where all their shooters off the dribble went.
EDIT: Also Kevin Durant's value is more that his length makes his shot unguardable. That's what makes him great in the playoffs. Shooting "off the dribble" isn't by itself a recipe for playoff success, being unguardable while shooting off the dribble is. And no, the Clippers don't have any of those guys. |
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| All_Star_Laker wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | Dude said we should trade Kyle Kuzma for Devin Booker. He doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously. |
To be clear, Devin Booker is a lot better than Kuz.
Is that what you were saying? |
Booker is a major liability on D....but I don’t think they’d trade him for Kuz, regardless. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| JM wrote: | | All_Star_Laker wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | Dude said we should trade Kyle Kuzma for Devin Booker. He doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously. |
To be clear, Devin Booker is a lot better than Kuz.
Is that what you were saying? |
Booker is a major liability on D....but I don’t think they’d trade him for Kuz, regardless. |
I'd put up with Booker's defensive shortcomings . . .
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | JM wrote: | | All_Star_Laker wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | Dude said we should trade Kyle Kuzma for Devin Booker. He doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously. |
To be clear, Devin Booker is a lot better than Kuz.
Is that what you were saying? |
Booker is a major liability on D....but I don’t think they’d trade him for Kuz, regardless. |
I'd put up with Booker's defensive shortcomings . . . |
Yup. Booker's much better on offense. Is he that much worse on D than Kuz?
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We are not soft, but we are not a great 3 point shooting team. That is why the teams don't fear us, because they feel they can pack the paint and key in on AD-Lebron, and the 3 point shooting role players will fade in a 7 game series.
Maybe so, but we have shown that we can get really really hot at times from 3. Then we have shown that Kuzma can just flat out take over a game. Final thing is defensively, this team may at some point be able to win games holding teams to scores in the 90s in the playoffs. |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | We are not soft, but we are not a great 3 point shooting team. That is why the teams don't fear us, because they feel they can pack the paint and key in on AD-Lebron, and the 3 point shooting role players will fade in a 7 game series.
Maybe so, but we have shown that we can get really really hot at times from 3. Then we have shown that Kuzma can just flat out take over a game. Final thing is defensively, this team may at some point be able to win games holding teams to scores in the 90s in the playoffs. |
I think we're #1 in 3pt percentage this month |
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| LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | leking006 wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | lakerican wrote: | | Come playoff time, LeBron is going to punish everybody. Last nite, we saw a 5min glimpses so we don't forget. |
lebron does fine when the team is rolling, ie, we have big leads and there's room for errors. then he can drive carelessly or launch bombs and make it once in a while. but in the playoffs (and we saw in the big games like clipps, bucks, raptors) it was not the case. it is relatively easy to stifle him and sort of shut him down. so then what? we need a way to claw back from 5 points down against a good team with no room for error. the way we are going, we are relying on lebron driving and kicking, or being the hero. but his heroic skills are nowhere near where they need to be to win a ring IMO. doesn't mean we can't or we wont, but its a gamble to rely on that as our strategy when we have better alternatives. we are still under utilizing our bigs, which IMO is our real strength. I don't know the answer here, I'm just saying i don't think what we've seen is going to work ultimately. |
Hello, did you forget when he was down 1-3 in the finals and still won?. How about down 2-3 against Celtics and they needed a win? He seldomly had an error on that game and almost all his shots went in. Lebron always perform better when his back is against the wall. Proof of that is he has the highest average points during Elimination games. |
He absolutely does not always perform better when his back is against the wall.
Are you for real? For every example you can cite when he met the challenge there are double the amount of when he couldn’t come through when it mattered most. It is what it is |
this is what i'm saying, but most will see just lebron hate. this is a very specific situation and tied to what sas is saying.
yes, our record is good. yes, there isn't anything truly to complain about. but it's not nitpicking. contrast our team to the clipps....the clipps are "struggling" in a sense, but they have shown some things that i feel are important. when the same situation comes up (down 5 with a few minutes left in a big game), they have the ability to dig deep and really step it up a notch with kawhi, pg, or lou...whoever it may be. they play to their strengths. and the fear is they can do that to the lakers (and have twice so far). lou himself killed us the first game, and then the second one with pat bev and kawhi and the rest of the team....they have the ability to not make too many mistakes and play to their strengths.
we'll see...but we need to start winning the big games that are coming up vs clips, bucks, raptors, etc. |
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| The other teams say they are not scared but wait til there's several games left in the season. The teams will start playing musical seeding to avoid the Lakers in the first and second round of the playoffs. |
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| SuperboyReformed wrote: | | who cares about his record? let's see what he does as a laker this year. records have a lot more to do with a whole lot of other factors than just x player is better than y. but i swear, if he starts fumbling balls around in important playoff games this year, nobody better be talking about his past records and such and ignoring that. |
Mostly everyone who attempts to prove that their favorite player is better than him. |
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| governator wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | We are not soft, but we are not a great 3 point shooting team. That is why the teams don't fear us, because they feel they can pack the paint and key in on AD-Lebron, and the 3 point shooting role players will fade in a 7 game series.
Maybe so, but we have shown that we can get really really hot at times from 3. Then we have shown that Kuzma can just flat out take over a game. Final thing is defensively, this team may at some point be able to win games holding teams to scores in the 90s in the playoffs. |
I think we're #1 in 3pt percentage this month |
And still 10th overall which shows how bad we were. We get hot, we get cold, but I would really like one more consistent 3 point shooter (thank you KCP!) |
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| levon wrote: | Yall should be careful when citing 2016. The Warriors didn't have a competent scorer off the dribble once their shooters were stifled. Steph Curry had an all-time-worst stinker of a series by his standards. Game 7 was an abomination for him. Harrison Barnes had wide open corner 3's and would miss like 5 in a row. And let's not forget Lebron baiting Draymond and then the Cavs whining to the league office to suspend him for Game 5. They got in the Warriors' heads completely.
Also, it was 4 years ago.
The Clippers have 3 guys who can get their shot off-the-dribble, in unconventional situations. In-between dudes. Three 3-level scorers. That's all you need in the playoffs: tough shot-makers when you get them out of their spots, and a competent supporting cast.
Who else in the playoffs has 1 of those players, let alone 3? The strength-in-numbers Warriors traded in their numbers for one of those after 2016. |
On top of that their last line of defense and second best defender on the team, Bogut got injured and wasn't able to play the final games.
And despite ALL THESE THINGS, the Cavs only won the game by 4.
So thats not really the thing to reference for consistent success.
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It's amazing the way people will nitpick supposedly favorable circumstances for LeBron's rings, but won't subject some of the Lakers' championships to the same scrutiny. This is a very easy game to play. Bogut didn't play in Game 7, okay. Perkins didn't play in Game 7 against Boston. But let's not talk about that, right?
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| Judah wrote: | | It's amazing the way people will nitpick supposedly favorable circumstances for LeBron's rings, but won't subject some of the Lakers' championships to the same scrutiny. This is a very easy game to play. Bogut didn't play in Game 7, okay. Perkins didn't play in Game 7 against Boston. But let's not talk about that, right? |
No Bynum vs those same Celtics 2 years prior.
We could do this all day
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| LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | It's amazing the way people will nitpick supposedly favorable circumstances for LeBron's rings, but won't subject some of the Lakers' championships to the same scrutiny. This is a very easy game to play. Bogut didn't play in Game 7, okay. Perkins didn't play in Game 7 against Boston. But let's not talk about that, right? |
No Bynum vs those same Celtics 2 years prior.
We could do this all day |
Byron Scott & Magic were injured vs Det in the 89 Finals.
James Worthy and Byron Scott vs Chi in the 91 Finals . . .
we can do it all night, too.
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | It's amazing the way people will nitpick supposedly favorable circumstances for LeBron's rings, but won't subject some of the Lakers' championships to the same scrutiny. This is a very easy game to play. Bogut didn't play in Game 7, okay. Perkins didn't play in Game 7 against Boston. But let's not talk about that, right? |
No Bynum vs those same Celtics 2 years prior.
We could do this all day |
Byron Scott & Magic were injured vs Det in the 89 Finals.
James Worthy and Byron Scott vs Chi in the 91 Finals . . .
we can do it all night, too. |
Very True
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| Daily reminder that SAS is a paid troll -- deliberately produces flamebait content to 'sell the controversy' |
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| Judah wrote: | | It's amazing the way people will nitpick supposedly favorable circumstances for LeBron's rings, but won't subject some of the Lakers' championships to the same scrutiny. This is a very easy game to play. Bogut didn't play in Game 7, okay. Perkins didn't play in Game 7 against Boston. But let's not talk about that, right? |
That's the nature of fans. They have no trouble coming up with a reason why a ring that was won by a team or player they don't like has an asterisk attached to it.
They have no trouble explaining why their side had it tougher (and is thus better) than the other side.
No one cares except people in the same fan club.
I am sure every one of our rings has an asterisk in the minds of some people too. |
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| activeverb wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | It's amazing the way people will nitpick supposedly favorable circumstances for LeBron's rings, but won't subject some of the Lakers' championships to the same scrutiny. This is a very easy game to play. Bogut didn't play in Game 7, okay. Perkins didn't play in Game 7 against Boston. But let's not talk about that, right? |
That's the nature of fans. They have no trouble coming up with a reason why a ring that was won by a team or player they don't like has an asterisk attached to it.
They have no trouble explaining why their side had it tougher (and is thus better) than the other side.
No one cares except people in the same fan club.
I am sure every one of our rings has an asterisk in the minds of some people too. |
- Mikan shouldn't have been allowed in the NBA. He was too big.
- Wilt shouldn't have been allowed to dictate his trade to the Lakers.
- Kareem shouldn't have been allowed to dictate his trade to the Lakers.
- The Magic Johnson coin toss was rigged.
- The James Worthy trade should have been vetoed.
- The Lakers outright bought Mitch Kupchak.
- The Bob McAdoo signing shouldn't have been allowed.
- Kobe Bryant shouldn't have been allowed to dictate his trade to the Lakers.
- The Lakers tampered with Shaq otherwise they wouldn't have dumped all those salaries.
- Phil Effing Jackson
- The REFS vs. Portland in 2000 WCF Game 7.
- The REFS, the LEAGUE & the TV NETWORKS vs. Sacto in 2002 WCF Game 6.
- WTF??? The League GIFTED Pau Gasol to the Lakers.
- Derek Fisher used his kid's illness to scheme his way back to the Lakers!
- Ron Artest & Kobe Bryant together? Neither of those criminals should be in the NBA.
- [This space reserved for LBJ/AD complaints after we win the championship this year].
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | It's amazing the way people will nitpick supposedly favorable circumstances for LeBron's rings, but won't subject some of the Lakers' championships to the same scrutiny. This is a very easy game to play. Bogut didn't play in Game 7, okay. Perkins didn't play in Game 7 against Boston. But let's not talk about that, right? |
That's the nature of fans. They have no trouble coming up with a reason why a ring that was won by a team or player they don't like has an asterisk attached to it.
They have no trouble explaining why their side had it tougher (and is thus better) than the other side.
No one cares except people in the same fan club.
I am sure every one of our rings has an asterisk in the minds of some people too. |
- Mikan shouldn't have been allowed in the NBA. He was too big.
- Wilt shouldn't have been allowed to dictate his trade to the Lakers.
- Kareem shouldn't have been allowed to dictate his trade to the Lakers.
- The Magic Johnson coin toss was rigged.
- The James Worthy trade should have been vetoed.
- The Lakers outright bought Mitch Kupchak.
- The Bob McAdoo signing shouldn't have been allowed.
- Kobe Bryant shouldn't have been allowed to dictate his trade to the Lakers.
- The Lakers tampered with Shaq otherwise they wouldn't have dumped all those salaries.
- Phil Effing Jackson
- The REFS vs. Portland in 2000 WCF Game 7.
- The REFS, the LEAGUE & the TV NETWORKS vs. Sacto in 2002 WCF Game 6.
- WTF??? The League GIFTED Pau Gasol to the Lakers.
- Derek Fisher used his kid's illness to scheme his way back to the Lakers!
- Ron Artest & Kobe Bryant together? Neither of those criminals should be in the NBA.
- [This space reserved for LBJ/AD complaints after we win the championship this year]. |
That about sums it up Lol
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Also, the people who put an asterisk on that 2016 ring for LeBron sure don't put an asterisk on his loss the previous year when he didn't have Kyrie OR Kevin Love. Funny how that works.
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| >.< wrote: | | Daily reminder that SAS is a paid troll -- deliberately produces flamebait content to 'sell the controversy' |
It worked didn’t it? So far he got 8 pages out of us.
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| LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The soft comments are related to the team’s leader. Lebron is a great player and I have been a fan since he first took the Cavs to the Finals. But he doesn’t stand up to the heat. Showing up to the press conference in a fake cast after losing a series and throwing other players under the bus after losing others. Our window is short and I hope he can get us another title but if not, watch the blame go to Pelinka, not Lebron. |
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I did not see the comment directed to one player, maybe I missed something.
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| I don’t know that I see soft, but I see something negative about the way this team has been playing. I think teams should fear that though because when this team is actually playing well, consistently for full games they will be Goliath's. Good Luck |
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| deal wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The soft comments are related to the team’s leader. Lebron is a great player and I have been a fan since he first took the Cavs to the Finals. But he doesn’t stand up to the heat. Showing up to the press conference in a fake cast after losing a series and throwing other players under the bus after losing others. Our window is short and I hope he can get us another title but if not, watch the blame go to Pelinka, not Lebron. |
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I did not see the comment directed to one player, maybe I missed something. |
Right at the end there. Where he says if we don’t get a title during LeBron’s tenure here the blame will go to Pelinka, not LBJ.
We’ve seen this before
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| PakaLOLO wrote: | | >.< wrote: | | Daily reminder that SAS is a paid troll -- deliberately produces flamebait content to 'sell the controversy' |
It worked didn’t it? So far he got 8 pages out of us. |
He also got a supermax contract from ESPN.
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