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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:45 pm    Post subject: LAKERS -at- PELICANS - 11/27 - Thoughts and :-)) Ratings

The Villain... Introduced to the Imperial March from Star Wars and greeted with boo’s, the villain was in the building. Anthony Davis returned to New Orleans to face his former team and the crowd was ready to boo him on every touch.

He’d score 41 points in his return and come up huge down the stretch. But this wasn’t an easy game.

The Lakers gave up 8 threes in the first quarter and 38 points to the Pelicans. Vogel said between quarters, if there was a way the Pelicans would beat them it was shooting over the top of the Lakers defense.

The Lakers would trail by 10 at halftime. But Vogel has been strong in second halves getting his team to adjust and respond. Would the young Pelicans team self destruct and the Laker vets impose their will?

Yeah, kind of.

The Lakers bench helped close the third quarter strong and with LeBron returning to start the fourth, they’d begin to reel in the Pelicans. LBJ had a series of scores. Kuzma hit threes and they eventually evened things up.

How big was AD down the stretch? It looked like he had a good strip off Ingram to get a stop from behind with 11 seconds left. The refs said no. He’d get the key defensive play of the night a few seconds later. Jumping the passing lane at midcourt on an inbounds after a timeout, he’d swipe the ball and get fouled. He’d sink 3-4 FTs in the final seconds to ice the game and silence the crowd.

The Lakers would come back to win 114-110 behind a combined 70 points from their star duo and stretch their record to 16-2 with their ninth straight W.

The villain role suits AD well. Embrace the dark side.


LeBron -- -- If he can’t get it done on a given night, the Lakers will struggle. We just rely so much on his impact when he’s in the game and the team has struggled whenever he’s out. He had a quiet first half as he had 12 points on 5-7 shooting and 4 assists in 18 minutes. The numbers are fine, but the impact was pretty quiet. When he sat after that first stint, we were in a double-digit hole, and the lead would only grow when he was out. He wasn’t hitting his freethrows early on or even looking for the perimeter shot. When the fourth quarter came around and we’re in those key first 5 minutes of the quarter, once again he came through. He’d sink a wing jumper and a big three as well as muscling up around the rim for some scores. I like the sleeper threes he hits on bigs, lulling them to sleep, then stepping back to his left and knocking it down. He had another of those in the fourth. I’m curious what his points per possession is when he gets into that shot. (I’d also like to see him attack that more, too, but he’s pretty deadly on that.) Defensively, he’d face guard Ingram whenever those two matched up instead of trying to challenge the shot. He really bothered him with that (Ingram would shoot 4-21). He had a steal on BI that he pushed out for a layup (he wanted the And-1). He also had a huge steal in the heart of run, playing free safety under the hoop and intercepting a pass on a rotation. This was an excellent two-way game. He’d take some knee-on-knee contact with Hart on the move and Vogel sat him for his rest midway through the quarter, but he’d return and look like his normal self. A combined 70 points from our duo tonight. The Stats: He scored 29 points on 10-18 shooting (2-6 from three, 7-11 from the line) to go with 5 boards, 11 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 5 turnovers and 2 fouls in 38 minutes. He was a +3.

Davis -- -- They played up his return to New Orleans quite a bit. The game was scheduled for ESPN and would have had even more buzz to it had Zion been there and the two could potentially go head to head. There was still plenty of buzz in the arena as Davis would get boo’d by Pelican fans every time he touched it and cheered by a strong Laker contingent every time he scored early on. They were looking for him early as LeBron hit him with a lob on the break for the dunk for one of the Lakers first scores. Then, the Lakers fed him relentlessly in the post and he’d score 27 points in the first half on 10-19 shooting. His post touches got closer and closer to the rim as the half went along. In the second half, he forced an early timeout with another deep post touch. Fast forward to the end of the third. Hart would run into his elbow as they went after a loose ball. AD would go to the bench and ice it down. Freaking Hart, banging into our stars all night (and also causing some problems on the offensive glass). But AD would come back in the fourth and the game was all about him in the final seconds. Again, he came up with game-winning plays. He’d get a key rebound with 6 seconds left. They’d intentionally foul him and he’d miss one FT, so the Lakers lead was only 2. Out of the timeout, we had AD on BI. Davis would jump the passing lane and swipe the inbounds with 4.2 seconds left to get fouled again. This time, he’d ice the game, hitting both clutch FTs on his way to 41 points...the most ever for a returning player against their former team, apparently. This is why we traded a lot to get him -- he drops 41 points and then comes up with several game winning plays in the final seconds. How many games has he won for us with his D? The Stats: He scored 41 points on 15-30 shooting (1-4 from three, 10-12 from the line) to go with 9 boards, 1 assist, 3 steals, 1 block, 2 turnovers and 3 fouls in 37 minutes. He was a -6.

Green -- -- He got the Lakers first score with a baseline drive. Later in the second half he’d score another layup getting behind the D while changing ends after a made basket. Not a lot of impact from him and Vogel went with some other options in the fourth quarter. The Stats: He scored 4 points on 2-5 shooting (0-2 from three) to go with 1 steal, 1 block, 2 turnovers and 3 fouls in 21 minutes. He was a -8.

McGee -- -- They’d trap the screen-rolls in the second half to force the ball out of Holiday’s hands as he was hitting from three and scoring too easily. That change would prove to be a bit disruptive as passes were sprayed about. Holiday would end up with 7 turnovers. I like seeing him able to change modes instead of always in drop coverage. No doubt we will see that again. Offensively, just a couple of scores, including a nice on off a BLOB lob pass from LeBron in the second half. The Stats: He’d scored 4 points on 2-4 shooting to go with 7 boards, 1 steal, 1 turnover and 2 fouls in 13 minutes. He was a -6.

Caldwell-Pope -- -- KCP didn’t have the shot falling tonight, going 1-5 from three, including missing some wide open ones. On his lone make from three, he packedit out and hit a wing three, so it was more of an iso shot versus off ball. Nice lob to Howard, as well in this one. This was absolutely a game where Bradley would have taken minutes from him. KCP wasn’t quite as strong defensively and the shot wasn’t falling. We gave him a good chunk of minutes (29) simply because there weren’t better available options. His string of good scoring games was snapped tonight. The Stats: He scored 5 points on 2-8 shooting (1-5 from three) to go with 1 board, 2 assists, 1 block and 2 fouls in 29 minutes. He was a -11.

Kuzma -- -- The game changed for the Lakers when Kuzma activated himself in the second half. The one young guy who managed to avoid the offseason trade action, Kuzma got to go up against his former teammates and played a very sleepy first half with just 2 points on 1-2 shooting. He was a non-factor offensively as we didn’t run anything his way and couldn’t get out in transition with regularity in the first half. In the second half, he’d cut through the lane over and over with no real purpose or effect. So he finally took the ball in iso situations and got a couple of jumpers to fall and helped trim the lead down to end the third. After that, the Lakers would work some plays to him coming off the screens. He’d go 4-4 from three in this game, including a late game corner three. One of his threes cut the lead to 1, another finally tied the game up. Then he’d hit the big one for the corner three with a minute left. The bench has got to have him activated and scoring. We can’t have him sleeping through games, not involved and the Lakers not running plays for him. Once he got going, it was a different game tonight. The Stats: He scored 16 points on 6-8 shooting (4-4 from three) to go with 5 boards, 2 assists, 3 turnovers and 5 fouls in 24 minutes. He was a +8.

Howard -- -- I’m always looking for those LeBron/AD/Howard minutes. The three have been on the court just 70 minutes this season (+17 NetRtg). There was a brief stretch in the second quarter, but it didn’t fare too well at they were a -8 during this stint. Later, in the fourth, they’d prove tough as the Lakers won the quarter 35-21 with a chunk of ball with that trio out there. Offensively, Howard helped the Lakers get on track a little in the second quarter with a series of dunks off post entries where he could get away from the D. Again, some foul issues that had him frustrated. Still, he looked better all around tonight after a few sub par games. The Stats: He scored 9 points on 4-5 shooting (1-2 from the line) to go with 7 boards, 1 block and 4 fouls in 23 minute. He was a +9.

Caruso -- -- He had the team-high +5 in the first half and would finish with a +23 to lead the team. Feisty D as usual with great rotations that helped tighten up the defense. No shot attempts in the first half, in the second half he’d grab a defensive board in transition and take it coast to coast for a late game layup for his only shot and score. The Pelicans probably should have made him a shooter. Prior to this game, he was shooting 28.6% from three. Despite the poor rate, he doesn’t hesitate and players don’t hesitate to find him if he’s open. So maybe teams respect that a little. Hard to say. His defense on Holiday in the second half was excellent. He had one of the plays to strip the ball off Holiday in the backcourt with 1:47 left down 1 to regain a possession. As they reviewed the play, it allowed the Lakers a pseudo timeout and they would use that get LeBron a score in the post on the inbounds. Caruso also drew a charge on Hayes on a rotation in the fourth to get another foul on him. Love, love, love that the coaches respect what Caruso brings. He led the bench with 25 minutes and the Lakers were just a much, much better team with his defense out there. Can’t wait until we have Bradley back to. AB+AC are key to our D. The Stats: He scored 2 points on 1-1 shooting to go with 1 board, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 block and 2 fouls in 25 minutes. He was a +23.

Rondo -- -- He had 6 assists in the first half, but we’d reel in his minutes in the second half. His minutes are tricky. We’ve worried a little about the lineups with LeBron/Rondo on the floor at the same time, but Rondo had been hitting his three ball at a 43.5% rate coming into this one. That may give teams a little less comfort in leaving him, but expect that to drop. When LeBron/Rondo are on the court, they have had a +22 NetRtg (111.5 OffRtg, 89.5 DefRtg) in 91 minutes prior to this game. They’re working it out. Whether that’s because of the pace, better post entry passes, taking advantage of people leaving Rondo or just keeping the ball in his hands more to prevent that, they’ve been more effective than you might think. It’s those minutes when LeBron is off the court or may miss a game, that are really what this team needs to prep for. We were up and down tonight in those stretches. The good was whenever we fed the post. Rondo is excellent at that and it led to dunks for Dwight and AD early on, even a long one to LeBron on a rim run for a score. When he came in the second half, though, he promptly threw a post entry out of bounds out of a timeout. He’d miss both of his three attempts tonight, making things tougher on the floor spacing. The Stats: He didn’t score on 0-3 shooting (0-2 from three) to go with 2 boards, 7 assists, 1 steal, 2 turnover and 1 foul in 19 minutes. He was a +0.

Daniels -- -- Some of the most important minutes for this team right now are whenever LeBron is off the court and we’re trying to get Rondo/AD to hold down the fort with our bench players. When the trio of Rondo, AD and Cook are on the floor, they are a -15 NetRtg. Swap out Cook for Caruso and they are a -25 NetRtg. With Daniels finding his shot a little, if you swap him in, the trio has a +2.2 NetRtg in 18 minutes. So Vogel went with that trio to close the first quarter, and the Pelicans lead went from 8 to 13. Too many open looks from the perimeter and the offense largely was getting the ball to AD to go to work. They’d sit Daniels to start the second quarter. When LeBron rested in that quarter, they didn’t bring Daniels back and were able to be a +4 during that key stretch. We stayed with him in the second half. This time they fared much better as Kuzma and AD carried the load. In the fourth, with Rondo out and LeBron in, Daniels would hit two key buckets to force a timeout as the Lakers cut the lead to 4. The first was a play call just for him to curl out of the corner and get the ball. All said and done, Daniels would finish a +8 in his minutes. That’s what we’re looking for. Just find a way to have positive minutes. The Stats: He scored 4 points on 2-3 shooting (0-1 from three) in 11 minutes. He was a +8.

Vogel -- -- Key Moment: Lakers fell behind early. When LeBron sat in the first quarter, they were down 8 with a few minutes left in the first. They were down 13 at the end of the first after giving up 38 points. The bench failed them in that stretch. Fast forward to the end of the third and opening of the fourth. Vogel would go back to his same bench unit, trusting them. This time Kuzma and Daniels would hit big shots and the Lakers would dig themselves out of the hole. He’d tweak things by sitting Rondo quickly and leaving him out during the fourth.

Key Substitution: Tough one. You could go with sitting Rondo in the fourth and not subbing out LeBron. He’d use timeouts to get LBJ some rest. Or you could go with sitting Howard for Kuzma with 3 minutes left. No Green. Kuz would hit a big corner three on a kickout stepping into that Green role.

Key Stat: The Lakers won the points in the paint battle 62-26. They bottled up Holiday in the second half and closed the paint for Ingram. Meanwhile, they pounded the ball in the post over and over. Late in the game, they had a key inside-out sequence for Kuzma to hit a three.

Challenge: Up 1, he yelled at KCP to come over and tell him if he really fouled Ingram on a jumper for FTs. KCP said he didn’t, so Vogel went for the challenge with 1:22 and lost. Two FTs for Ingram. The review didn’t seem to show a foul on any view that we saw.

Final Seconds: The Lakers were able to close with some key stops… AD on Ingram defensively and he stole the ball on the inbounds and was fouled… Up 4 with a few seconds left, the Lakers went to a zone to deny a three… Vogel certainly leaned on his big two tonight, but he was orchestrating an excellent fourth quarter himself...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:47 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:47 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:23 pm    Post subject:

I don’t know how we keep winning these games, but it’s what great teams do, so I’m loving it. The scariest part of the night was watching LeBron on the ground in pain holding his knee and then later AD on the ground holding his elbow. Hopefully, they’re OK for the back to back Friday/Saturday. Those two games are going to be tough to win.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:24 pm    Post subject:

I like the Coaching section much better DB. Much more readable.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:52 pm    Post subject:

One thing I have been noticing this season is how LeBron has been imposing his will more than last year to win games, like how Kobe used to carry the team. However, LeBron is relatively less clutch than Kobe, fortunately AD is somehow very clutch (especially defensively) so far.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:35 am    Post subject:

DB, your willingness to adapt your tried-and-true format is like the Lakers willingness to shake up the FO, Vogel's willingness to adopt new coaching schemes, and the team's willingness to optimize their performance. Bravo!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:41 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB! EXCELLENT write up as always!

Seems to be a pattern lately. Veteran team, defense is a little suspect with AB down, early season, I'm not too surprised to see the Lakers coasting a bit on defense early, just enough to keep the other team within 10 to 15. Second half, lets put Caruso and Howard out there to clamp them down, while we go on some runs, then lean on LeBron and AD, and hustle on both ends of the court to win the scoreboard battle. Night after night.

Cool that they could do it in style today, highlighting AD as the primary scorer as a nice little present to the hostile fans.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:32 am    Post subject:

Great write-up DB.

AD just has more impact on a game than any of the former Laker kids. BI put up his numbers and helped keep the pels in it, but ultimately you just dont really feel his imprint on the game (this is not a knock on him as he puts up nice numbers, but it just doesnt feel impactful). AD's fingerprints (and LBJ's, and frankly even Kuz) were all over it.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:47 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB! Glad we got this game over with. Going to AD every time down, although understandable, kind of hurt us at some points during the game. Vogel did yeoman's work as he made the right calls on his substitutions (not going to Rondo and instead going to AC, going back to Kuz either though he started off looking like crap).
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:59 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB! Such a great win! Suck it Pelican fans!

But there were a lot of questionable calls, even after reviews. I wonder if the league would say anything about those?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:40 am    Post subject:

Team numbers

Points +4
Lakers 114
Pels 110

Rebounds -5
Lakers 37
Pels 42

Field Goal shooting +10
Lakers 44-85
Pels 34-84

3 point shooting -9
Lakers 8-24
Pels 17-40

Points in the Paint +34
Lakers 62
Pels 28

Assists +5
Lakers 25
Pels 20

Turnovers -4
Lakers 16
Pels 20

Fastbreak Points -4
Lakers 18
Pels 22
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:37 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB, as usual.

What a game from Caruso, and thought/think Dwight and he are the staples of the 2nd unit.

For Lebron to rest, or the team to be less reliant on him, we need a 2nd unit that Rondo can QB properly. On the starters, QB Lebron has targets. Danny Green. KCP. McGee inside on a lob. AD .... Rondo is a player who is a bit hesitant to shoot the ball, and so is Caruso. Kuzma is hesitant to make plays at times, and then you add Dwight who is not really a perimeter threat, you have a lineup that will face a lot of defenses packing the paint.

What we need to do is considering switching Danny Green with Bradley when AB comes back. Green would be a major weapon for that 2nd unit, and Green could play out each half. You could close out halves with Caruso taking over for Rondo.

What you don't want is Caruso and Rondo out there along with Dwight, and sometimes you get AD there too. The teams are just gonna pack that paint in. I'd be very interested to see how Green would do, because I think he would thrive. You run Rondo/Dwight screen rolls with the floor spread out with Kuzma, Green and either KCP or AD. Now you can actually let Lebron, rest. How do we do that? Probably will take some tinkering from coach Vogel, to get the 2nd unit like that. It is critical at some point this season (sooner than later) we establish a 2nd unit that can allow Lebron 6-7 minutes (in game 6 minutes) rest each half. In close games Lebron should not play more than 35. In less closer, 32. This is how we need to take care of our MVP as the season progresses. He may be fresh as hell right now coming off a season that ended in April. However this season may go to June. We need him fresh.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:38 am    Post subject:

Emotional game for the Pel's, Lakers got the job done. Obviously worried that LeBron goes down, he leads the charge.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:20 am    Post subject:

I don’t like to complain about refs when we lose so I’m going to do it now.

The refereeing at the end of the game was suspect. What’s the point of Replay when you can’t get it right?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:25 am    Post subject:

All_Star_Laker wrote:
I don’t like to complain about refs when we lose so I’m going to do it now.

The refereeing at the end of the game was suspect. What’s the point of Replay when you can’t get it right?


Felt like a playing to the crowd type of officiating towards the end
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:26 am    Post subject:

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I don’t know how we keep winning these games, but it’s what great teams do, so I’m loving it. The scariest part of the night was watching LeBron on the ground in pain holding his knee and then later AD on the ground holding his elbow. Hopefully, they’re OK for the back to back Friday/Saturday. Those two games are going to be tough to win.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:38 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:38 am    Post subject:

Plus Minus Year to date

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LeBron James 164
Danny Green 104
Anthony Davis 88
Dwight Howard 84
Alex Caruso 69
Quinn Cook 65
JaVale McGee 59
Avery Bradley 55
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope 50
Kyle Kuzma 38
Rajon Rondo 24
Troy Daniels -8
Jared Dudley -15

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:55 am    Post subject:

George W Buss wrote:
However, LeBron is relatively less clutch than Kobe


Can this maybe go in the LBJ vs Kobe thread and can you maybe actually make this argument using the easily available data?

Every win doesn't need to be a referendum on Lebron vs Kobe. We can at least mix it up--you know, Lebron isn't as clutch as Magic, Lebron isn't as clutch as Kareem, Lebron isn't as clutch as West...or, lets go way back and Lebron isn't as clutch as Mikan.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:13 am    Post subject:

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But there were a lot of questionable calls, even after reviews. I wonder if the league would say anything about those?


I would love to just have the ref’s audio discussion on those review calls as it’s going on. Broadcast that so I don’t have to listen to announcers, who end up making the process worse. Let’s have full transparency.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:42 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB! I love come-from-behind, revenge, road wins!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:52 am    Post subject:

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But there were a lot of questionable calls, even after reviews. I wonder if the league would say anything about those?


I would love to just have the ref’s audio discussion on those review calls as it’s going on. Broadcast that so I don’t have to listen to announcers, who end up making the process worse. Let’s have full transparency.


I’ve always wanted to just listen to the whole game with very little speaking form the announcers. I mean if we could hear the players on the floor calling out plays, coverages, arguing, like people in the front row do, it would be amazing. I would of loved to hear the Showtime Lakers, Shaq/Kobe, etc.

It would be far more dramatic and interesting than the announcers just repeating themselves over and over, game after game. I know it would be probably a little too R rated for kids, but it would be great if we could have that option. I’d pay extra for it.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:02 am    Post subject:

DB, love the writeups but this part does not seem quite right:
"Kuzma...
In the second half, he’d cut through the lane over and over with no real purpose or effect...We can’t have him sleeping through games..."

He cuts and is semi-open ( at least as open as guys are on these full court passes that often result in turnovers ) raising his arms and the guy with the ball, often Rondo, does not get it to him. He is supposed to cut repeatedly to get action toward the rim. What can he do if they do not throw it to him?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:23 am    Post subject:

Caruso +23 in a 4 pt win... Didn't see the game yet, but when I'll see it I'll take a good look at him...
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