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jodeke
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 Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:07 pm Post subject: Man serving life sentenced dies, resuscitated. |
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Schreiber wasn't sentenced to 2 life sentences. He died, was resuscitated and was now living his second life.
A convicted murderer who momentarily died says his life sentence has been served
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According to the Iowa Court of Appeals, Schreiber "claims he momentarily died at the hospital, thereby fulfilling his 'life' sentence ... Because his sentence has been fulfilled, he argues, he is imprisoned illegally and should be immediately released." |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: Man serving life sentenced dies, resuscitated. |
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| jodeke wrote: | Schreiber wasn't sentenced to 2 life sentences. He died, was resuscitated and was now living his second life.
A convicted murderer who momentarily died says his life sentence has been served
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According to the Iowa Court of Appeals, Schreiber "claims he momentarily died at the hospital, thereby fulfilling his 'life' sentence ... Because his sentence has been fulfilled, he argues, he is imprisoned illegally and should be immediately released." |
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1 life sentence down, still got 1 more life sentence to go |
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jodeke
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| Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Man serving life sentenced dies, resuscitated. |
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| governator wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Schreiber wasn't sentenced to 2 life sentences. He died, was resuscitated and was now living his second life.
A convicted murderer who momentarily died says his life sentence has been served
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According to the Iowa Court of Appeals, Schreiber "claims he momentarily died at the hospital, thereby fulfilling his 'life' sentence ... Because his sentence has been fulfilled, he argues, he is imprisoned illegally and should be immediately released." |
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1 life sentence down, still got 1 more life sentence to go |
People have been sentenced to 2 life sentences. He was only sentenced to 1. Why shouldn't he be released by law?
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governator
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| Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Man serving life sentenced dies, resuscitated. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | governator wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Schreiber wasn't sentenced to 2 life sentences. He died, was resuscitated and was now living his second life.
A convicted murderer who momentarily died says his life sentence has been served
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According to the Iowa Court of Appeals, Schreiber "claims he momentarily died at the hospital, thereby fulfilling his 'life' sentence ... Because his sentence has been fulfilled, he argues, he is imprisoned illegally and should be immediately released." |
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1 life sentence down, still got 1 more life sentence to go |
People have been sentenced to 2 life sentences. He was only sentenced to 1. Why shouldn't he be released by law? |
oh, misread it
I don't know the answer legally... lawyers? |
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Gellollo
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| Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| WTF we only have one life. I hate technicalities, man. I could never be a lawyer. |
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PHILosophize
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| Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:09 pm Post subject: Re: Man serving life sentenced dies, resuscitated. |
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| governator wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | governator wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Schreiber wasn't sentenced to 2 life sentences. He died, was resuscitated and was now living his second life.
A convicted murderer who momentarily died says his life sentence has been served
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According to the Iowa Court of Appeals, Schreiber "claims he momentarily died at the hospital, thereby fulfilling his 'life' sentence ... Because his sentence has been fulfilled, he argues, he is imprisoned illegally and should be immediately released." |
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1 life sentence down, still got 1 more life sentence to go |
People have been sentenced to 2 life sentences. He was only sentenced to 1. Why shouldn't he be released by law? |
oh, misread it
I don't know the answer legally... lawyers? |
I'm not a lawyer but the Iowa statute does seem pretty clear.
It says: “Class “A” felonies are the most serious offenses under Iowa law and are punishable only by a mandatory life sentence, without possibility for parole or probation... A class “A” felon can be released from the custody and control of the Iowa Department of Corrections only through a pardon or commutation of the felon's sentence to a term of years by the Governor."
sauce: page 3 of https://www.legis.iowa.gov/docs/publications/LG/14969.pdf
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| Nice try, if this loophole were to be exploited there would be a bunch of prisoners choking each other out so they can be resuscitated and be free on a technicality. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: Man serving life sentenced dies, resuscitated. |
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| governator wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | governator wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Schreiber wasn't sentenced to 2 life sentences. He died, was resuscitated and was now living his second life.
A convicted murderer who momentarily died says his life sentence has been served
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According to the Iowa Court of Appeals, Schreiber "claims he momentarily died at the hospital, thereby fulfilling his 'life' sentence ... Because his sentence has been fulfilled, he argues, he is imprisoned illegally and should be immediately released." |
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1 life sentence down, still got 1 more life sentence to go |
People have been sentenced to 2 life sentences. He was only sentenced to 1. Why shouldn't he be released by law? |
oh, misread it
I don't know the answer legally... lawyers? |
The Court of Appeals ruled that either you are dead or you are alive.
If you are still alive then you are still serving your life sentence. If you are dead, then the appeal is moot. |
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LongBeachPoly
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Nice try, if this loophole were to be exploited there would be a bunch of prisoners choking each other out so they can be resuscitated and be free on a technicality. |
If death is just a medical opinion, then all he really has to do is pay off a doctor to declare him dead
How great would this be if this logic worked for life insurance policies?
This dude could have taken out a $1 million insurance policy naming him the beneficiary.
Died, came back to life, get out of jail and collect $1 million. |
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Death is not a sharp line of demarcation. The heart stopping beating is one marker, and obviously one that's pretty significant, but there are still life functions going on. Has the brain stopped functioning, have the cells died? Has anything irreversible happened?
Claiming that your heart stopped and therefore you died is to cherry pick a pretty self-serving definition of death. |
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PHILosophize
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| LarryCoon wrote: | Death is not a sharp line of demarcation. The heart stopping beating is one marker, and obviously one that's pretty significant, but there are still life functions going on. Has the brain stopped functioning, have the cells died? Has anything irreversible happened?
Claiming that your heart stopped and therefore you died is to cherry pick a pretty self-serving definition of death. |
true - notwithstanding the pretty clear language of the statute I would think he would have at least a more plausible argument in the abstract if he were legitimately, i.e., medically, pronounced dead for a few minutes or something
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| Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Man serving life sentenced dies, resuscitated. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | governator wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Schreiber wasn't sentenced to 2 life sentences. He died, was resuscitated and was now living his second life.
A convicted murderer who momentarily died says his life sentence has been served
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According to the Iowa Court of Appeals, Schreiber "claims he momentarily died at the hospital, thereby fulfilling his 'life' sentence ... Because his sentence has been fulfilled, he argues, he is imprisoned illegally and should be immediately released." |
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1 life sentence down, still got 1 more life sentence to go |
People have been sentenced to 2 life sentences. He was only sentenced to 1. Why shouldn't he be released by law? |
He is alive, right? He's not an infant of all sudden. He was brought back to life. His life, which hasn't ended.
Great idea on his part, but doesn't hold water.
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| LarryCoon wrote: | Death is not a sharp line of demarcation. The heart stopping beating is one marker, and obviously one that's pretty significant, but there are still life functions going on. Has the brain stopped functioning, have the cells died? Has anything irreversible happened?
Claiming that your heart stopped and therefore you died is to cherry pick a pretty self-serving definition of death. |
I’ve posted this before but my heart stopped beating and no one considered me dead at any point.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LarryCoon wrote: | Death is not a sharp line of demarcation. The heart stopping beating is one marker, and obviously one that's pretty significant, but there are still life functions going on. Has the brain stopped functioning, have the cells died? Has anything irreversible happened?
Claiming that your heart stopped and therefore you died is to cherry pick a pretty self-serving definition of death. |
I’ve posted this before but my heart stopped beating and no one considered me dead at any point. |
. . . That you know of.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LarryCoon wrote: | Death is not a sharp line of demarcation. The heart stopping beating is one marker, and obviously one that's pretty significant, but there are still life functions going on. Has the brain stopped functioning, have the cells died? Has anything irreversible happened?
Claiming that your heart stopped and therefore you died is to cherry pick a pretty self-serving definition of death. |
I’ve posted this before but my heart stopped beating and no one considered me dead at any point. |
. . . That you know of. |
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Let him go.
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| Quote: | | Turns out your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. See, mostly dead is still slightly alive. |
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| His sentence was a punishment for his crimes to spend the rest of his life in prison; in other words so long as he is alive he will be in prison. Since he was brought back to life he stays in prison. If he wants out he's gonna have to die and stay dead. |
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| LakersRGolden wrote: | | Quote: | | Turns out your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. See, mostly dead is still slightly alive. |
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And with all dead, there's only one thing that you can do. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | LakersRGolden wrote: | | Quote: | | Turns out your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. See, mostly dead is still slightly alive. |
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And with all dead, there's only one thing that you can do. |
And what's that? |
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| loslakersss wrote: | | His sentence was a punishment for his crimes to spend the rest of his life in prison; in other words so long as he is alive he will be in prison. Since he was brought back to life he stays in prison. If he wants out he's gonna have to die and stay dead. |
But he’s not dead yet.
Actually, he’s feeling better.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Let him go. |
The man is a murderer. Even if he is rehabilitated Doesn’t mean he should be let out. He killed in cold blood and should be kept alive to suffer in prison till he finally dies. It just sends a message that there is no chance at freedom for people who commit heinous felonies |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | loslakersss wrote: | | His sentence was a punishment for his crimes to spend the rest of his life in prison; in other words so long as he is alive he will be in prison. Since he was brought back to life he stays in prison. If he wants out he's gonna have to die and stay dead. |
But he’s not dead yet.
Actually, he’s feeling better. |
He thinks he'll go for a walk.
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| 999 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Let him go. |
The man is a murderer. Even if he is rehabilitated Doesn’t mean he should be let out. He killed in cold blood and should be kept alive to suffer in prison till he finally dies. It just sends a message that there is no chance at freedom for people who commit heinous felonies |
That must be why murder doesn't happen anymore.
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