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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:22 pm    Post subject: HORNETS -at- LAKERS- 10/27 - Thoughts and :-)) Ratings

Game Changers... The Hornets thrived offensively with threes, fastbreaks and freethrows (17-17) in the first half as the Lakers struggled to shake them.

Finally, in the third quarter, Vogel once again brought Alex Caruso along with Dwight Howard and the game changed with their energy.

Their defensive intensity took the Hornets out of their flow, With Caruso disrupting the passing and driving lanes and Dwight cleaning up the glass and anyone that tried to drive the paint, the game turned.

This is what you want off your bench. Guys who can spark a team. With Howard and Caruso, it’s with D. With guys like Daniels, Cook and Kuzma when he returns, you get that offensive firepower that can change the game.

Once the Hornets were on their heels, LeBron imposed his will on offense in the fourth quarter and the broke Charlotte’s back. The Lakers held the Hornets to just 39 points in the second half on their way to the 120-101 win.


LeBron -- -- He wasn’t scoring early on in this game. He finally got to the FT line with 1:40 left in the first half to get his first points. But he was distributing as the defense collapsed (he had 8 assists at that point in the game). He quickly hit those and then scored a layup in transition next time for his only points in the half. He would get in double digit scoring with 10 minutes left in the game, muscling in a post up. He muscled in another And-1 drive against Zeller as the Lakers were on a 16-2 run. Here, he really imposed his will on the opponent offensively. The dagger in this one might have been a three by LeBron with 8:25 left to give the Lakers a 19-point lead. That seemed to break the back. The Hornets were making him pass. In the second quarter, he had four Hornets surrounding him as he contracted the D and had two three shooters wide open. Instead, he looked off defenders and slipped it to Howard through defenders for the And-1. Had they clamped down defensively in that first half, he and AD should have had the team up by at least 10. At the end of the day, he still finished with 20 points because of his strong fourth quarter. Good to see that energy there to finish. Also, really been liking the FT shooting this year. They discussed how he’s slowed down his approach to the FT line after gathering the ball. The Stats: He scored 20 points on 7-14 shooting (1-3 from three, 5-5 from the line) to go with 6 boards, 12 assists, 1 steal, 4 turnovers and no fouls in 35 minutes. He was a +17.

Davis -- -- The well-rounded skills were on full display. His ability off the dribble is ridiculous for a guy his size. He took a rebound on one end, pushed it up, then lost the defender on a move between the legs before crossing over and finally changing directions once again with the last step at the rim for the layup. Combine that with the more traditional bigman skills of finishing a lob dunk or hitting a jumphook. Then, throw in sinking a couple wing threes...and that’s just the freaking first quarter of this game. He had 16 points to go along with 2 blocks on the other end in the first 12 minutes. The range of skills on display there is special. He’d finish the first half with 25 points on 8-10 shooting. The best stat of the night in the big picture of things might just be his 3-5 from three. It’s good to finally see his perimeter shot falling (he swished another corner three later). He’s struggled with that perimeter all preseason. He’s always had superb midrange ability. Stretching the floor will come along at some point. That just opens up the LeBron/AD two-man options even more if it becomes a consistent weapon. I’d also like to a see a little more improvement off the short roll action of those. That’s looked a bit choppy. Defensively, he blocked another three shots in this one. I love seeing guards trying to drive on him. He just eats that up. The Stats: He scored 29 points on 10-19 shooting (3-5 from three, 6-6 from the line) to go with 14 boards, 3 assists, 1 steal, 3 blocks, 5 turnovers and 3 fouls in 32 minutes. He was a +5.

Green -- -- Defensively, he did some of those little things that add up. He drew a charge in transition, he had a nice weakside rotation to challenge a big under the hoop and force a turnover. The shot wasn’t really dropping tonight, he made one three after a fly by and blew a layup, as well (almost looked like a no-look reverse attempt that he wanted to pass). The Stats: He scored 5 points on 2-10 shooting (1-5 from three) to go with 4 boards, 2 assists and 2 fouls in 26 minutes. He was a +6.

McGee -- -- He was a -9 in the first half, while Howard was a +9. He’s just playing a bit too loose on D at times with those drop coverages. He had a couple of finishes early in the second half that forced the Hornets to call a timeout (one on an offensive board, the other when AD drew a double and found him). But beyond that, it wasn’t really close in comparison to how Dwight dominated the C spot tonight. He had some moments of intimidation, but he wasn’t the wrecking ball Dwight was. At the end of the night McGee was a -8 and Dwight a +23. Just a massive difference in there and you felt it. This was a little bit of a challenge for the Lakers with Zeller spacing the floor at the C spot. They need more reps trying to defend that. The Stats: He scored 10 points on 5-8 shooting (0-1 from the line) to go with 4 boards (2 offensive), 1 assist, 1 steal and 2 fouls in 16 minutes. He was a -8.

Bradley -- -- Very quiet night. He didn’t connect on any of his threes. He showed that off-ball cutting ability on a Cook drive to take a pass and reverse for a score. He also had a breakaway score and got into the midrange. Thought he played a bit too much in this one. He just wasn’t imposing himself on the game, played a bit flat. The Stats: He scored 8 points on 4-7 shooting (0-3 from three) to go with 1 board, 1 steal, 1 turnover and 2 fouls in 28 minutes. He was a -6.

Howard -- -- This is why they signed him. It’s for nights like this where he can help be a catalyst to a win by dropping a big two-way double-double. We want the first two games to be kind of the baseline for him...and then this to be more of the occasional big spark that is key to the W. Excellent first half with 8 points on 4-4 shooting and 6 boards while being a +9. He did give a little back fouling a running three shooter at the buzzer. The Lakers were getting nickel and dimed with the fouls as a team in that half, but would clean that up. The nice thing about Dwight’s scoring is that it comes off things like lob passes or interior feeds and putbacks. Vogel mentioned this, saying they want him to score off the two-man possessions and those putbacks. These aren’t ball-dominant, pound-the-dribble-in-the-post possessions. These are plays that fit especially well when you’ve got superstars on the team that should have the ball. And when he’s not scoring on those hustle sequences, he’s resetting the offense by just keeping the ball alive. He had a nice offensive board between multiple defenders and he sent it out to KCP for an open three in the first and got in on some key winning plays at the end of the third quarter. He manufactured a couple of points with a jumphook when the shotclock was about to expire, and he scored an And-1 hustling in transition, sidestepping to avoid a charge and scoring. He encouraged the crowd to make some noise on that second one. He then rejected a shot behind some great help D from Caruso (Dwight would dunk on the other end off a drive and dish from LeBron). Shortly later, Dwight had another rejection, this time waving the finger Mutombo-style (this swat was on a quick second bounce off the floor, very athletic play). Those two were sparking the Lakers to life on D. That’s what you want from your bench -- guys who can come in and be game changers on any given night. “He was off the charts,” Vogel said of Dwight. The Stats: He scored 16 points on 8-8 shooting (0-2 from the line) to go with 10 boards (3 offensive), 1 assist, 4 blocks, 1 turnover and 3 fouls in 23 minutes. He was a +23.

Caldwell-Pope -- -- The struggles have reverberated across all of Lakerdom, fans referencing him as the Binary Mamba for putting up 0’s and 1’s to start the season. After the last game, you saw LeBron in his ear, and Vogel has tried to pump him up a little through the press. He clanked a couple of shots out of the gates and you could hear the collective groan in the background of Staples. Then, he battled back. He got a good cheer from Staples on a steal that he took the distance for a layup and his first field goal of the season. Hw then drained a three next time down on a kickout. Another good passing sequence with Dwight, which we’ve seen some set plays (usually we’ve seen this with him out of high post in Horns, but this was more off a Horns pindown sequence). He also hit a three off a split play where it’s just a simple catch and shoot look versus him trying to create and pull up on the move. That’s a great shot for him. He can get set and fire. That’s how you get back on track, just take great shots. Eventually, they should (they better) fall. These should be “average” games for him rather than the exception. “Oh, man, it felt good,” he said afterward. He said he tried to make sure he didn’t overthink anything and just have fun. Honestly, I think there’s a lot of truth to this. If the offense isn’t flowing, it’s a problem for him. Think about all his struggles early in the seasons. With new players last year, a new system again with LeBron...and then once again a new coach and new system this year. The sooner he gets comfortable, the better. The Stats: He scored 10 points on 4-8 shooting (2-4 from three) to go with 1 board, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 turnover and 1 foul in 19 minutes. He was a +21.

Caruso -- -- The +17 in 13 minutes is legit in this one. I’m not sure there’s been a game where he’s been bad defensively. I mentioned it all preseason and these last couple it’s showed again. He’s consistently killing it on that end of the floor. It’s cliche but offense does come and go, defense should be a constant...and it has with AC. He came in midway through the third quarter to spark the team (I would have liked to see him earlier as clearly our problems were on the defensive end in this one early on).. Immediately after entering, he got in a good challenge on a three on one end, then sank a three at the top of the arc on the other. He had a great pass deflection at the end of the third to get a stop. Early in the fourth, he then helped off his man, flagged the pass down and took it the distance for the dunk...then yelled as the crowd was pumped. Again, shortly later he helped on dribble penetration, going vertical to deny the drive under the hoop and Dwight came over to finish the play off and get the stop. A couple plays later his man tried to drive past him on the baseline and Caruso rejected him (Dwight was almost there, too). When he sat, he crowd let him know they appreciated the huge effort. And when he sat, we saw the intensity die down a bit. As soon as he got back in, he drew another charge to get a stop. I do appreciate that Vogel is going to him. “He’s creating good problems for me,” Vogel said. We’ve gotten him minutes with NBA players versus the G-League stuff we saw in the preseason that seemed to set the narrative on him when the narrative should be how awesome he’s been on D (go back and watch him on that end of the floor in the preseason if you didn’t pay attention to it). The Stats: He scored 5 points on 2-3 shooting (1-2 from three) to go with 2 boards, 1 assist, 1 steal, 1 block, 1 turnover and 3 fouls in 13 minutes. He was a +17.

Daniels -- -- He sank one three, late in the game on this one. Not the big production like the last one. Still, the more minutes he gets, the more they will be able to cater the offensive sets to him and the more valuable he becomes. He missed a wide open pick and pop with LeBron in the second quarter. That guard screen on LeBron’s man scrambled the D briefly and left him wide open. I want to see more of that. He scored his other hoop on a SLOB sequence that imbounded to him for a layup. As those little chemistry plays build up, the consistency should improve. Defensively, not as good as the last one. It didn’t look like they tried to target him at times, but he also got a couple good challenges in, as well. The Stats: He scored 5 points on 2-6 shooting (1-5 from three) to go with 1 steal and 1 foul in 12 minutes. He was a +2.

Cook -- -- His fouling in the first half was frustrating. He gave up a 4-point play and another easy And-1 layup in transition. Just not smart plays, either of those. Vogel was clearly thinking offense over defense in that first half, when it should have been reversed. The Hornets went 17-17 from the line in the first half and Cook led the way with 3 fouls. Offensively, we had some moments with Cook as we used him as a ball handler. These are sketchy to me, but he worked it out. At the end of the first quarter, we put the ball in his hands to create off the dribble. With LeBron sitting, this is most likely Rondo’s responsibility (and if he’s out there with Rondo, Cook would be off ball). He ended up trying to drive too deep and got blocked. But, really, that might have been his only bad play off the dribble in this one. These are the struggles of the team when LBJ sits and the offense isn’t going through AD. To be fair to Cook, we had a stretch of no AD or LBJ on the court and he did manage to drive for a layup in the second quarter and then next time down, he got some dribble penetration and he hit Bradley cutting for a reverse. He also got penetration off a handoff in the third that led to an AD dunk. A couple finishes in the lane late (including a great crossover to lose a man). So there was a lot of success with that creation part of his game, but it still felt like the best way to describe it is “sketchy” to me. Maybe if it’s done with a lot more consistency, I’ll trust it more. But credit him for getting it done tonight, for sure. The Stats: He scored 12 points on 5-9 shooting (2-4 from three) to go with 3 boards, 8 assists and 3 fouls in 24 minutes. He was a +10.

Dudley -- -- Short minutes. This doesn’t show up in the stat sheet, but he has some great switches at times. He disrupted a sequence in the corner and then pressured the ballhandler to force the Hornets to burn a timeout. Another thing not in the stat sheet, breaking up a fastbreak standing in for the charge. When you have superstar talent, those small plays make a difference. The Stats: He didn’t score on 0-1 shooting to go with 1 board and 2 fouls in 7 minutes. He was a +4.

K. Antetokounmpo -- -- Came in with 2:20 left and had 1 board. Nothing else to report.

Norvell -- -- Also in for late garbage time as our PF. No stats or action to report.

Vogel -- -- Lakers down 15-8 when Vogel called a timeout after about 5 minutes. Offense struggling to make shots, defense giving up too much room on perimeter. McGee is not playing Zeller tight enough on the perimeter… On the ATO, they run a double-high screen sequence that led to a lob for McGee, just couldn’t connect… Down 5, Howard in for McGee, KCP in for Bradley… Cook in for LeBron score tied a minute later… Lakers up 30-28 after the first… Howard, Dudley, LeBron, KCP and Daniels to start the second quarter… ATO and we get the ball to KCP curling at the top of the key to lob to Dwight for the finish. Well executed… KCP, Dwight, LeBron out for Cook, Bradley and McGee. Lakers up 4 and no LBJ or AD on the floor. Vogel trying to steal some time here for his stars… When Davis came in, Lakers were up 6, but just 2 points a few seconds later after giving up a 4-point play… Score tied with 4:20 left when LeBron came back in and we went with AD at C… Vogel used his challenge on a charge call on AD (he didn’t have room to come down with the ball on a pass was the argument. Vogel lost). I haven’t been too impressed with his usage of the challenges so far. I understand, though, challenging a foul call to AD. You want to protect that foul trouble if you can… Our small ball unit to close the half was AD, LeBron, Green, Bradley, Cook. No Caruso despite the D having issues. When Cook got into foul trouble we went with Daniels. Again, I want Caruso here… Then defensive sub for KCP with 5 seconds left for Daniels… Lakers led 63-62 at the half. Too many FTs for the Hornets (17-17)… Lakers get a 4-point lead and force a timeout early in the third… AD in the post on the ATO, not sure why we didn’t have something better set up there… Lakers gave up a transition score off a turnover and Vogel called a timeout up 2. The Hornets had a 22-12 advantage on the break. Timeout Lakers, 76-74. Good timeout here and subs… Out of that he went with Howard, AD, LeBron, Green and Caruso, sitting McGee and Bradley (both played flat to me, tonight)… A 5-point lead when LeBron sat a minute later for Cook… The Lakers led 87-80 heading into the fourth. The Caruso/Howard energy definitely sparking the team… Howard, LeBron, KCP, Caruso, Cook lineup to start the fourth… When Caruso sat, the score was 98-82 Lakers with 9:30 left. Man got the fans on their feet… They stretched it to 19… Timeout midway through the quarter up 15 and KCP sat for AD… Big cheer for Dwight as he sat, Lakers up 16. AD, LeBron, Green, Caruso, Bradley lineup… They cruised...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:23 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:25 pm    Post subject:

Experimenting with changing up the format a little based on the feedback to take out the play by play and do a little more in the stuff that's more read. (May take a little tweaking in my process to make it efficient, but we'll play around with it.)
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:29 pm    Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:
Experimenting with changing up the format a little based on the feedback to take out the play by play and do a little more in the stuff that's more read. (May take a little tweaking in my process to make it efficient, but we'll play around with it.)


Thanks DB. I always like your high level openers, describes the flow of game well


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:35 pm    Post subject:

Like the tweak so far!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:16 pm    Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:
Experimenting with changing up the format a little based on the feedback to take out the play by play and do a little more in the stuff that's more read. (May take a little tweaking in my process to make it efficient, but we'll play around with it.)

That works for me, thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:46 pm    Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:
Experimenting with changing up the format a little based on the feedback to take out the play by play and do a little more in the stuff that's more read. (May take a little tweaking in my process to make it efficient, but we'll play around with it.)


Thanks DB. I never read the play-by-play but perhaps others did. At least it saves you some time and work. Keep up the good work!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:20 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB! Love seeing that stinky 0-1 start turn into a respectable 2-1 start.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:51 pm    Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:
Experimenting with changing up the format a little based on the feedback to take out the play by play and do a little more in the stuff that's more read. (May take a little tweaking in my process to make it efficient, but we'll play around with it.)


Thanks, DB!
This is just perfect!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:58 pm    Post subject:

Thanks for these recaps. LeBron looked to facilitate a lot this game and AD plus Dwight put up huge stats. The defense of those two was fun to watch.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:06 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB. I like 2019 Dwight Howard more than the 2013 version. He looked great out there.
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Thanks DB!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:54 am    Post subject:

Some numbers for the game

Offense
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Lakers scored 120 points
Lakers shot 49 for 93 from the field 52.7%
Lakers shot 11 for 31 from 3 35.5%
Lakers had 30 assists to 13 turnovers
Lakers had 10 offensive rebounds


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Lakers held their opponents to 38.5% FG shooting
Charlotte shot 28.5% from 3 point land
Charlotte shot the ball 91 times
Lakers forced 14 TOs allowed 19 assists
Lakers gave up 23 free throws (21 were made by Charlotte)
Lakers gave up 13 offensive boards to Charlotte


Love the assists to TO ratio. This was I think our highest team assist game of the season so far. You could see we were getting more into our sets and the players were a lot more comfortable running the offense than settling for an iso. Even our iso plays, were usually leading to some ball movement to get an open shot. This is why I didn't panic after the Clippers game. The Lakers execution on both ends is still far from where it could be, and just in 2 games, we have seen a significant improvement in how we run our offense.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:07 am    Post subject:

DB already mentioned the important roles of Dwight and Caruso in this one. I'll talk about some of the other things.

I thought the Lakers starting lineup struggled in this one defensively because Charlotte could space the floor very well with their big (especially Zeller) and then had a bunch of athletic guards. We have to have a very quick hook for McGee and be willing to get another defensive guard in a lot earlier against better teams. Charlotte was not good enough a team to take advantage of their starting lineup - but they posed some serious issues for us defensively. One was that their bigs were able to shoot from outside, and their guards were beating our guards in transition.

Bradley and Green - even Lebron - their age showed in this one. We don't have a track meet lineup. Some teams will run on us, and we have to adjust. All things considered the team did ok, and it was great that against a team like that the offense was better. We really needed the offense to keep scoring, so we could set up defensively.

I think this is a game where you really see why having athletic bench players like KCP and Caruso, and an athlete like Dwight Howard is needed. Eventually hopefully an athlete like Kuzma. Those 4 guys can bring some much needed athleticism to the team, when we are in situations against quick teams who shoot the ball from outside. The starters are amazing defensively in the halfcourt (especially when you sub McGee for Dwight). However in transition and secondary fast breaking, that is when the starters will get into trouble.

Frank continues to do a great job of when he is calling his timeouts. One of my biggest peeves since Phil left is how poorly timed the time outs from our coaches tend to be. Frank seems to understand the right time to call them to make a point, or to stop the momentum from the other side.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:21 am    Post subject:

BTW, the biggest thing I notice with Dwight is not the rebounds, blocks, dunks or layups (or even the post up move he made yesterday). It's that when he is out there, he runs the 5 out offense far better than any of our other bigs, because he sets the best screens for guards. This is usually leading to the 5 out offense creating a shot for a teammate as opposed to Lebron. Otherwise we are relying heavily on Lebron to create, or AD. It is very important to me that AD and McGee also begin to do this. I have not seen great screen setting by either of them on a consistent basis, nor a focus on running the 5 out offense. AD usually looks for his own number (which is fine, he is the star of the team, but I'd still like better screens) and McGee seems more focused on getting to the basket for scores.

Lebron and AD do not show great screen and roll play yet on a consistent basis, because in part IMO AD does not do the same things great screen/roll bigs do. AD should watch Porzingis play with Luka, even though both KP and Luka are inferior players to AD and Lebron, and KP is far less effective a scorer than AD. AD can fool teams with how he moves after a setting a screen. He can roll to the basket, stop at the mid-range or go back to the 3 point line. However he doesn't do any of this on a consistent basis well. I don't know why, but I'd like to see him do it and call his own number less. To win a championship we need Lebron and AD to develop that 2 man game. And AD to play in the post with some power moves, not soft fades. All that said, great to see AD making his jumpshots. Were fantastic. That coast to coast play was incredible. I like that we go to AD in the 1st Q to set him up and call his number. However after AD gets going, we need him to get involved using pick and rolls with Lebron. We didn't see that chemistry or that execution with them after that big 1st Q, on a consistent basis. If that comes, the league is ours. You'll see AD go for 30 easily in games. Lebron will control tempo. It will be the best team in the league, IMO.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:29 am    Post subject:

This type of game last year would've gone down to the wire where we either barely win or lose

I was highly frustrated with LeBron's lack of offensive aggressiveness but if he can remain that efficient and stroll to an easy victory while keeping his body primed for when it counts in the postseason I'm all for it

factor in getting Kuzma back and LeBron's PG role could be great for both his body and the team

There's times where AD comes across as physically soft and then other times he makes a finesse shot that drops my jaw, dude is truly a point machine
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:29 am    Post subject:

Just saw the highlights, how many dunks/layups we got? LeBron picking apart defense, Magic Johnsonesque
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:56 am    Post subject:

am i awake? D12 comments i've read here:

great 2-way game?
scores only off 2-man game?
sets the best screens on the team?

now THIS is bananas.

Props to D39
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:05 am    Post subject:

AshesToAshes wrote:
am i awake? D12 comments i've read here:

great 2-way game?
scores only off 2-man game?
sets the best screens on the team?

now THIS is bananas.

Props to D39


Wait til u see his highlights from the game
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:09 am    Post subject:

Dwight looks like he's Dennis Rodman out there and I love it.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:36 am    Post subject:

Season to date Looking good Dwight!

Player +/-
Dwight Howard 35
LeBron James 26
Danny Green 20
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope 16
Alex Caruso 15
Anthony Davis 13
Kostas Antetokounmpo 2
Quinn Cook 1
Troy Daniels -2
Zach Norvell -4
Avery Bradley -9
Jared Dudley -11
JaVale McGee -12

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:38 am    Post subject:

vanexelent wrote:
Dwight looks like he's Dennis Rodman out there and I love it.


The other thing i noticed about him is he is running full out to get back on D. Several times he was under the offensive board after one of our shots and got back to bother a guard when CHA pushed the ball. That is amazing for a big his age.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:44 am    Post subject:

Caruso has now turned both games he has played in around.

Dwight Howard has been nothing short of fantastic so far, tremendous effort and playing his assigned role perfectly.

Much better defensive energy in the 2nd half, I was bummed watching them go through the motions in the 1st half, but they turned it on and held them to 39 points in the 2nd half.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:24 am    Post subject:

Great break down DB thanks👍
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