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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:45 pm    Post subject:

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Question: if we took all our ex-players and put them all on one team, would we have a winning team?

What would be the price tag?

Julius Randle
Brandon Ingram
Lonzo Ball
Josh Hart
Mo Wagner
Thomas Bryant
Larry Nance
Jordan Clarkson
Ivica Zubac
D'Angelo Russell
Svi
Bonga

Who else am I missing?


Some great role players but no one who can carry this team
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:17 pm    Post subject:

i m watching lonzo right now and i cannot understand his game,i dont understand his role, what he does
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:29 pm    Post subject:

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i m watching lonzo right now and i cannot understand his game,i dont understand his role, what he does


I agree -- he's not even bringing up the ball for the Pelicans.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:55 pm    Post subject:

BI taking over in the 4th
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:01 pm    Post subject:

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BI taking over in the 4th


kid is a legit star.....in 2-3 years, he will be scary
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:14 pm    Post subject:

danzag wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
Question: if we took all our ex-players and put them all on one team, would we have a winning team?

What would be the price tag?

Julius Randle
Brandon Ingram
Lonzo Ball
Josh Hart
Mo Wagner
Thomas Bryant
Larry Nance
Jordan Clarkson
Ivica Zubac
D'Angelo Russell
Svi
Bonga

Who else am I missing?


Some great role players but no one who can carry this team


What's the starting 5 here?

Lonzo
DLo
Ingram
Randle
T Bryant

That's not a good team.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:14 pm    Post subject:

danzag wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
Question: if we took all our ex-players and put them all on one team, would we have a winning team?

What would be the price tag?

Julius Randle
Brandon Ingram
Lonzo Ball
Josh Hart
Mo Wagner
Thomas Bryant
Larry Nance
Jordan Clarkson
Ivica Zubac
D'Angelo Russell
Svi
Bonga

Who else am I missing?


Some great role players but no one who can carry this team


if you do not think Ingram and/or DLo cannot be a #1 guy, then you just have not been watching. A starting lineup of Ball, Dlo, Ingram, Randle and Bryant with guys like Hart, Nance, Clarkson, etc. coming off the bench would definitely have a chance at being a winning team and more for the next decade.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:23 pm    Post subject:

Seems like the Suns dared BI to shoot threes, and he gladly obliged.

Last season he was hesitant to take those shots. Now he's confident they will go in. Pelicans have good player development. I wonder how BI would do with Vogel.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:26 pm    Post subject:

Ted wrote:

What's the starting 5 here?

Lonzo
DLo
Ingram
Randle
T Bryant

That's not a good team.


Lonzo - 12 PPG / 5 RPG / 6 APG
DLo - 24 PPG / 4 RPG / 7 APG
Ingram - 25 PPG / 7 RPG / 4 APG
Randle - 17 PPG / 9 RPG / 4 APG
T Bryant - 14 PPG / 3 RPG / 3 APG

Projected Starters - 92 PPG / 28 RPG / 24 APG

Bradley - 10 PPG / 3 RPG / 2 APG
Green - 9 PPG / 3 RPG / 1 APG
James - 25 PPG / 8 RPG / 11 APG
Davis - 25 PPG / 9 RPG / 3 APG
McGee - 7 PPG / 6 RPG / 1 APG

Current Starters - 76 PPG / 29 RPG / 19 APG

yeah, that definitely would not be a good team
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:29 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
danzag wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
Question: if we took all our ex-players and put them all on one team, would we have a winning team?

What would be the price tag?

Julius Randle
Brandon Ingram
Lonzo Ball
Josh Hart
Mo Wagner
Thomas Bryant
Larry Nance
Jordan Clarkson
Ivica Zubac
D'Angelo Russell
Svi
Bonga

Who else am I missing?


Some great role players but no one who can carry this team


if you do not think Ingram and/or DLo cannot be a #1 guy, then you just have not been watching. A starting lineup of Ball, Dlo, Ingram, Randle and Bryant with guys like Hart, Nance, Clarkson, etc. coming off the bench would definitely have a chance at being a winning team and more for the next decade.


Well, I don't believe any team can go deep into the playoffs with Dlo as their #1. Probably not Ingram, either, although he still could have even more upside than he's showing right now, potentially. Lonzo is looking like a glue guy, but not a star.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:35 pm    Post subject:

Brandon Ingram might be an all-star this year. DLo is also making a case. To call them role players is just intentionally diminishing what they bring to the court.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:36 pm    Post subject:

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Brandon Ingram might be an all-star this year. DLo is also making a case. To call them role-players is just intentionally diminishing what they bring to the court.


Totally agree.. Russell and Ingram aren't role players lol..
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:39 pm    Post subject:

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Really miss Lonzo ball wearing a suit. Out hurt. Meanwhile we’re 12-2 with a two way superstar at age 26. All these former guys are on garbage teams.


AD has been on a garbage team for the better part of his career.. What does that have to do with anything?

Bottom line is some of our former prospects are playing very well.. The Lakers also made out well.. Both of these things can be true.


AD is a top 5 player and a 2 way superstar, not his fault the pelicans were a joke. Like the only decent team he played on had Mirotic and Rondo in the starting lineup. Brandon Ingram is the only player potentially that will even see an all star game of the guys we drafted. That's not a definite. Ball is ineffective or hurt.

People fawn over the box scores on these guys, they all put up numbers on lousy teams. Players like Randle and D'Lo do not even think about defense.

AD trade will go down as an all time great. Plus all these guys will be getting paid shortly.


"AD is a top 5 player and a 2 way superstar, not his fault the pelicans were a joke."

Not these kids fault the teams they're playing on aren't performing well either. They were bad teams before they got there.

"they all put up numbers on lousy teams."

This to me is one of the silliest knocks people make on players. Didn't Bron put up exceptional numbers on a terrible team last season? Didn't AD? Others who have done so.. KG, Lamarcus Aldridge, Kobe Bryant, and a host of others. Those kids have very little to do with their teams records.

The same way Kuz has very little to do with the Lakers current record.. See how that works??? It's a team sport..


Randle is a stat padder on a bad team. Knicks fans do not even want him anymore. He also plays zero defense. Neither does DLo. He’ll avg 25 a night this year on a 20 win golden state team taking 25 shots a game. There are two sides to the basketball court. AD plays both ends very well.

Ball isn’t very good. Ingram is the only interesting player we traded. Not going to act like Ingram isn’t balling.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:40 pm    Post subject:

ChickenStu wrote:
adkindo wrote:
danzag wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
Question: if we took all our ex-players and put them all on one team, would we have a winning team?

What would be the price tag?

Julius Randle
Brandon Ingram
Lonzo Ball
Josh Hart
Mo Wagner
Thomas Bryant
Larry Nance
Jordan Clarkson
Ivica Zubac
D'Angelo Russell
Svi
Bonga

Who else am I missing?


Some great role players but no one who can carry this team


if you do not think Ingram and/or DLo cannot be a #1 guy, then you just have not been watching. A starting lineup of Ball, Dlo, Ingram, Randle and Bryant with guys like Hart, Nance, Clarkson, etc. coming off the bench would definitely have a chance at being a winning team and more for the next decade.


Well, I don't believe any team can go deep into the playoffs with Dlo as their #1. Probably not Ingram, either, although he still could have even more upside than he's showing right now, potentially. Lonzo is looking like a glue guy, but not a star.


I may agree at this point....the playoffs is very much about experience. They would definitely have to take their lumps and lessons....but get to the 2nd Round this year....2nd Round next year....Conference Finals the next year....I mean that is standard protocol for a young team. Remember the We Believe Warriors...."I do not think Steph Curry as a #1 guy can get to the Finals" was a common statement. It can often be hard to see until it happens.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:41 pm    Post subject:

At the very least, Ingram's a 25 ppg scorer this season. These games are definitely not flukes like some fantasy "experts" have been saying. Next season, his upper body strength might be optimal enough to deal with some of the tougher defenders in the league. He could cap out at 28-29 ppg IMO. Far from role player numbers.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:43 pm    Post subject:

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Brandon Ingram might be an all-star this year. DLo is also making a case. To call them role-players is just intentionally diminishing what they bring to the court.


Totally agree.. Russell and Ingram aren't role players lol..


Russell has impressed the hell out of me this year before he was injured....just the way he carried himself and everything.....very different than Lakers DLo
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:46 pm    Post subject:

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I don't think Dlo is efficient enough offensively for that. He gets his numbers consistently (there's a lot to be said for that) and he's a very good player, don't get me wrong. Portland has made one run to the WCF with Lillard as the #1 guy, and I'm not sure I can see Dlo ever being as good as Lillard. Obviously this is just my opinion, but I don't think he will ever be good enough to lead a team to legitimate title contention as the #1 guy. As a #2? Maybe. As a #3? I think that would be ideal, although he wouldn't have the ball as much in such a role. I think there's more upside with Ingram, if I had my druthers, but I still think it's very unlikely he would be a #1 option on a title-contending squad. And this isn't meant to knock either guy, by the way. Heck, I don't even think AD is capable of it as a #1; he's an absolutely perfect #2 scoring option and #1 defensive option.

Guys like Lonzo and Randle are clearly on a step down from the above. And, again, that's fine.
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Randle is a stat padder on a bad team. Knicks fans do not even want him anymore.


really? Randle is the 2nd on the team in scoring and leads the team in Rebounds and Assists....they are using his as a secondary initiator which is a stretch for his skill set, and he is trying to play this role on a team with no spacing. Over the last week his shot has began to fall, and dude is playing at a really high level. They suck, but not because of Randle...they would be worse without Randle. If they hate him so much....at $18 Million a year, they can likely move him fairly easy.
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Brandon Ingram might be an all-star this year. DLo is also making a case. To call them role-players is just intentionally diminishing what they bring to the court.


Totally agree.. Russell and Ingram aren't role players lol..


Russell has impressed the hell out of me this year before he was injured....just the way he carried himself and everything.....very different than Lakers DLo


Same.. I was never a fan of his, but was still able to see the talent. The kid is balling, at this point there is no reason to hate on him.
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I don't think Dlo is efficient enough offensively for that. He gets his numbers consistently (there's a lot to be said for that) and he's a very good player, don't get me wrong. Portland has made one run to the WCF with Lillard as the #1 guy, and I'm not sure I can see Dlo ever being as good as Lillard. Obviously this is just my opinion, but I don't think he will ever be good enough to lead a team to legitimate title contention as the #1 guy. As a #2? Maybe. As a #3? I think that would be ideal, although he wouldn't have the ball as much in such a role. I think there's more upside with Ingram, if I had my druthers, but I still think it's very unlikely he would be a #1 option on a title-contending squad. And this isn't meant to knock either guy, by the way. Heck, I don't even think AD is capable of it as a #1; he's an absolutely perfect #2 scoring option and #1 defensive option.

Guys like Lonzo and Randle are clearly on a step down from the above. And, again, that's fine.


just keep in mind.....Ingram and Ball are 22 years old....Russell is 23 years old...hell, old man Randle is only 25 years old. Lillard was 22 years old as a rookie. Is Ingram better than Lillard as a rookie? Is Russell better than Lillard as a 2nd year player?
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Congrats to Mo, but some of it is just scoring by default. The Wizards have a God-awful roster outside of Beal.

Back in 2013, we had two second year guards start a couple playoff games and average 16-17 points while starting against the NBA Champions. The following year, one was out of the league, and the other became a journeyman, averaging under 3 points the rest of his career.

Where would Thomas Bryant and Wagner get their minutes in LA? They'd be playing for South Bay.


Bryant should be our starting/backup center


We don't have the minutes to give him to warrant having matched his potential deal, which turned out to be 3yr/$25M.

It could have potentially cost us a full mid-level exception down the road just for the sake of a slightly younger frontcourt, without making us significantly better in the meantime. If anything, the loss of experience could hurt a team such as these Lakers.


If we had Bryant then we wouldn’t have Howard.


It's more likely McGee chooses to go elsewhere, as Cousins is still in play in this scenario. So when Cousins goes down, Howard still ends up here.

But back to the point, a guy like Thomas Bryant needs over 20+mpg consistently to develop, and he'd only get about 15 on this team.
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I don't think Dlo is efficient enough offensively for that. He gets his numbers consistently (there's a lot to be said for that) and he's a very good player, don't get me wrong. Portland has made one run to the WCF with Lillard as the #1 guy, and I'm not sure I can see Dlo ever being as good as Lillard. Obviously this is just my opinion, but I don't think he will ever be good enough to lead a team to legitimate title contention as the #1 guy. As a #2? Maybe. As a #3? I think that would be ideal, although he wouldn't have the ball as much in such a role. I think there's more upside with Ingram, if I had my druthers, but I still think it's very unlikely he would be a #1 option on a title-contending squad. And this isn't meant to knock either guy, by the way. Heck, I don't even think AD is capable of it as a #1; he's an absolutely perfect #2 scoring option and #1 defensive option.

Guys like Lonzo and Randle are clearly on a step down from the above. And, again, that's fine.


just keep in mind.....Ingram and Ball are 22 years old....Russell is 23 years old...hell, old man Randle is only 25 years old. Lillard was 22 years old as a rookie. Is Ingram better than Lillard as a rookie? Is Russell better than Lillard as a 2nd year player?


Yes Ingram is definitely better than Lillard in his rookie season lol. WTF? Hes literally better in every aspect.... from scoring, to percentages, to defensive ratings. You can even say that Ingram is comparable to 3rd year Lillard at this point. Except Ingram brings the whole defensive aspect of the game... So yeah....
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Really miss Lonzo ball wearing a suit. Out hurt. Meanwhile we’re 12-2 with a two way superstar at age 26. All these former guys are on garbage teams.


AD has been on a garbage team for the better part of his career.. What does that have to do with anything?

Bottom line is some of our former prospects are playing very well.. The Lakers also made out well.. Both of these things can be true.


AD is a top 5 player and a 2 way superstar, not his fault the pelicans were a joke. Like the only decent team he played on had Mirotic and Rondo in the starting lineup. Brandon Ingram is the only player potentially that will even see an all star game of the guys we drafted. That's not a definite. Ball is ineffective or hurt.

People fawn over the box scores on these guys, they all put up numbers on lousy teams. Players like Randle and D'Lo do not even think about defense.

AD trade will go down as an all time great. Plus all these guys will be getting paid shortly.


"AD is a top 5 player and a 2 way superstar, not his fault the pelicans were a joke."

Not these kids fault the teams they're playing on aren't performing well either. They were bad teams before they got there.

"they all put up numbers on lousy teams."

This to me is one of the silliest knocks people make on players. Didn't Bron put up exceptional numbers on a terrible team last season? Didn't AD? Others who have done so.. KG, Lamarcus Aldridge, Kobe Bryant, and a host of others. Those kids have very little to do with their teams records.

The same way Kuz has very little to do with the Lakers current record.. See how that works??? It's a team sport..


Randle is a stat padder on a bad team. Knicks fans do not even want him anymore. He also plays zero defense. Neither does DLo. He’ll avg 25 a night this year on a 20 win golden state team taking 25 shots a game. There are two sides to the basketball court. AD plays both ends very well.

Ball isn’t very good. Ingram is the only interesting player we traded. Not going to act like Ingram isn’t balling.


I find it interesting that you take your cue from Knicks fans.
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Randle is a stat padder on a bad team. Knicks fans do not even want him anymore.


really? Randle is the 2nd on the team in scoring and leads the team in Rebounds and Assists....they are using his as a secondary initiator which is a stretch for his skill set, and he is trying to play this role on a team with no spacing. Over the last week his shot has began to fall, and dude is playing at a really high level. They suck, but not because of Randle...they would be worse without Randle. If they hate him so much....at $18 Million a year, they can likely move him fairly easy.

Randle has been mostly terrible this season. I live in NYC and most Knicks fans think they've been fleeced. This is what the Post wrote yesterday when evaluating their new players:

Julius Randle: There’s been some highs and a lot of lows. Randle appears to be miscast as a point forward, caught over-dribbling too often. The most familiar vision of the first 10 games is Randle dribbling into traffic and losing control. He’s putting up a double-double (15.5 points, 10 rebounds) but his 3-point shot has been brutal (21 percent), he’s averaging four turnovers per night and his scoring average is down six points from last season. The $63 million man went into the campaign as the No 1 option but hasn’t been reliable.
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Randle is a stat padder on a bad team. Knicks fans do not even want him anymore.


really? Randle is the 2nd on the team in scoring and leads the team in Rebounds and Assists....they are using his as a secondary initiator which is a stretch for his skill set, and he is trying to play this role on a team with no spacing. Over the last week his shot has began to fall, and dude is playing at a really high level. They suck, but not because of Randle...they would be worse without Randle. If they hate him so much....at $18 Million a year, they can likely move him fairly easy.

Randle has been mostly terrible this season. I live in NYC and most Knicks fans think they've been fleeced. This is what the Post wrote yesterday when evaluating their new players:

Julius Randle: There’s been some highs and a lot of lows. Randle appears to be miscast as a point forward, caught over-dribbling too often. The most familiar vision of the first 10 games is Randle dribbling into traffic and losing control. He’s putting up a double-double (15.5 points, 10 rebounds) but his 3-point shot has been brutal (21 percent), he’s averaging four turnovers per night and his scoring average is down six points from last season. The $63 million man went into the campaign as the No 1 option but hasn’t been reliable.


Randle bully my way to the rim ball need open paint area, they got no shooters in the Knicks, paint is packed and Randle’s not adjusting his game... not looking good
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