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Legacy
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| danzag wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | none of those stat lines really stand out to me
I will say that letting go of bryant was a mistake and the zubac trade was obviously atrocious
but other than that: meh |
Agree
Losing Randle for nothing was kinda meh
I love Ingram and BI, but we're better with AD |
Imagine if we kept both of those guys!  |
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| non-player zealot wrote: | | I'd rather have Lou Williams back than damn near anyone on that list. Randle could have 40/25 and I'd still want to see how the rest of his game went. Ingram could turn out a good player, but he was sent out for AD. Had to go. A lot of that you listed is just "strange". Was it actually good or do you feel wistful that it's for some other team now? Is anything that they do that IS good on another team better than what they did on the whole here? Ingram could've had that statline on any given night here, same as Zo, et al. |
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and i agree! Lou is haunting me, and has been for the past few years. This guy is a killer. The Laker fans complained incessantly about him, I was very frustrated by that btw. Lou destroyed us the last game, it wasn't Kawhi. And Lou destroyed everyone and carried the Clips in the playoffs last year. What a mistake. Yea, the chain of events got us AD, but man...I'd trade Lou for Lebron in a heartbeat. |
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FrankUnderwood
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Would we be a better team right now if we had kept these guys?:
Lonzo
D'angleo
Hart
Ingram
Randle
Bryant
Kuzma
Zubac
Wagner |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| ocho wrote: | | We did get cap space for KCP and Rondo though. |
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Danny Green has more impact alone than most of those guys.
What's worse than losing a player is significantly overpaying them. That's the thing about these young guys, you are paying for potential and the hope they own up to their contract. If not, you are stuck with a mediocre team. If they don't show out by year 3 it's hard to let them hit restricted free agency without possibly overpaying.
Ingram is going to get a near max and I'm glad it's not the Lakers. Randle is getting 3/62M while having major flaws especially on the defensive end. DLo is maxed out with significant flaws on both ends of the floor. No player is perfect but if you overpay for a player with too many weaknesses, you're team is going to be harder to build around to become a championship contender.
Based off our current salaries, I don't think a single player is overpaid other than KCP at the moment. Lebron, AD, Dwight and Kuz are underpaid relative to their performance. Lakers need to keep it that way to keep this championship window open. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| governator wrote: | | none of them are deal breaker to get AD for me |
Only if you get him for 4 years.
| FrankUnderwood wrote: | Would we be a better team right now if we had kept these guys?:
Lonzo
D'angleo
Hart
Ingram
Randle
Bryant
Kuzma
Zubac
Wagner |
Let's see...
Starters:
PG: Lonzo Ball
SG: D'Angelo Russell
SF: Brandon Ingram
PF: Julius Randle
C: Ivica Zubac
Bench:
SG: Josh Hart
SF: Kyle Kuzma
PF: Moritz Wagner
C: Thomas Bryant
I think we'd be one of those young teams that is good for 50+ wins if I were to consider the chemistry they'd have developed. (Nuggets | Blazers | Jazz territory)
We'd have a scorer off the bench like Kuzma and three 20 ppg scorers in the starting lineup in Russell, Ingram and Randle, and Ball running the show at point guard and the size down low with Zubac.
You'd also have 2 capable passers in the starting lineup in Randle and Ingram and 2 very beyond capable passers in Russell and Ball.
I think that team would win more than 35 games. They'd need a veteran though on the team(like a Lou Williams) though cause all young teams need that veteran or they flounder (like the Wizard were pre-Paul Pierce... and then where they fell back to without Paul Pierce)
If you added our two other draft picks (Clarkson and Nance) to the bench, then we'd have a pretty darn dangerous team because Clarkson and Kuzma's scoring off the bench, Thomas Bryant and Larry Nance Jr's hustle and defense, Josh Hart's sniping.
On paper, we'd be a very deep team. The question is if all the pieces worked together and if Luke(or Vogel) could make it work or were good enough to. In a perfect world, the Rockets would fire D'Antoni, and he'd be coming back to coach THAT team, instead of D12 coming back.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:37 pm Post subject: Re: somewhat depressing seeing our castaways do well |
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| nomoreshaq wrote: | randle - 25/11
thomas bryant - 14/11/3
bonga - 9/3/2
moe wagner - 13 pts (3/4 3pt)
hart - 15/10
ingram - 22/5/5
lonzo - 8/5/5
d'lo - 21/7/3 (last year)
zubac - 8 pts in 9 min
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Does not bother me at all. I am especially happy that Lonzo is gone 
People were upset when we got rid of Vlade D, I laughed back then also.
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It would have been nice to keep Zo, Mo and Bryant but:
Zo and BI were the cost for AD
Mo would have walked as a FA with Luke around
Bryant was Magic being a Johnson and TB is the one that could have remained on this team. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | 4OnTheFloor wrote: | lonzo - 8/5/5
Is this really considered doing well? |
He didnt do well. He didn’t do poorly. Kinda typical Lonzo.
I watched the game. Sat out almost the entire second half. |
This.
Lonzo was 2-3 from downtown, but 2-7 overall, which meant he was 0-4 on 2-pointers.
With each game I have less and less faith that he'll fulfill his hype, but he's not our problem anymore.
I'm good with trading Lonzo, BI and Hart for AD, but as others said, letting Randle, Bryant, Zubac and Lou Will go for almost nothing is the troubling thing.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Legacy wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | none of those stat lines really stand out to me
I will say that letting go of bryant was a mistake and the zubac trade was obviously atrocious
but other than that: meh |
Agree
Losing Randle for nothing was kinda meh
I love Ingram and BI, but we're better with AD |
Imagine if we kept both of those guys! |
LOL
Ingram and Lonzo |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | governator wrote: | | none of them are deal breaker to get AD for me |
Only if you get him for 4 years.
| FrankUnderwood wrote: | Would we be a better team right now if we had kept these guys?:
Lonzo
D'angleo
Hart
Ingram
Randle
Bryant
Kuzma
Zubac
Wagner |
Let's see...
Starters:
PG: Lonzo Ball
SG: D'Angelo Russell
SF: Brandon Ingram
PF: Julius Randle
C: Ivica Zubac
Bench:
SG: Josh Hart
SF: Kyle Kuzma
PF: Moritz Wagner
C: Thomas Bryant
I think we'd be one of those young teams that is good for 50+ wins if I were to consider the chemistry they'd have developed. (Nuggets | Blazers | Jazz territory)
We'd have a scorer off the bench like Kuzma and three 20 ppg scorers in the starting lineup in Russell, Ingram and Randle, and Ball running the show at point guard and the size down low with Zubac.
You'd also have 2 capable passers in the starting lineup in Randle and Ingram and 2 very beyond capable passers in Russell and Ball.
I think that team would win more than 35 games. They'd need a veteran though on the team(like a Lou Williams) though cause all young teams need that veteran or they flounder (like the Wizard were pre-Paul Pierce... and then where they fell back to without Paul Pierce)
If you added our two other draft picks (Clarkson and Nance) to the bench, then we'd have a pretty darn dangerous team because Clarkson and Kuzma's scoring off the bench, Thomas Bryant and Larry Nance Jr's hustle and defense, Josh Hart's sniping.
On paper, we'd be a very deep team. The question is if all the pieces worked together and if Luke(or Vogel) could make it work or were good enough to. In a perfect world, the Rockets would fire D'Antoni, and he'd be coming back to coach THAT team, instead of D12 coming back. |
Pretty meaningless hypothetical to daydream about since it doesn't even seem semi feasible to afford to keep all of those guys together long-term anyway.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Not depressing at all, we drafted some good players.
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| Even Methuselah Chandler gave more effort than JaVale or Dwight did in their respective openers. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Lopez is the guy I wish was still on the team.
Watching him tear up the Rockets down the stretch (with Giannis having fouled out) renewed my unhappiness about letting him walk for no reason last summer.
Eric had the right plan laid out about renouncing him but keeping his bird rights. He'd be amazing as our starting 5. He'd fit perfectly next to AD, leaving Javale as an excellent backup.
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| d'lo 10 straight for gsw vs raptors |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Zubac and russell are killing it so far |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| scout0_0 wrote: | | d'lo 10 straight for gsw vs raptors |
Dude is on fi-your.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Zubac trade was so (bleep) stupid. For what? To appease a center who has played 20 min or less his entire career? |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | Zubac trade was so (bleep) stupid. For what? To appease a center who has played 20 min or less his entire career? |
They thought by adding a stretch 4/5 they could make a last ditch push for the playoffs (along with adding Bullock). It was a Hail Mary to save face on the season and correct an off-season mistake (the idea that we didn’t need shooters). It was also symptom of their mindset that once they feel a player isn’t part of their long term plans they’re willing to dump them for nothing.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:01 pm Post subject: Re: somewhat depressing seeing our castaways do well |
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| nomoreshaq wrote: | randle - 25/11
thomas bryant - 14/11/3
bonga - 9/3/2
moe wagner - 13 pts (3/4 3pt)
hart - 15/10
ingram - 22/5/5
lonzo - 8/5/5
d'lo - 21/7/3 (last year)
zubac - 8 pts in 9 min
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D'Lo is the Gilligan of these castaways, agree?
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| SuperboyReformed wrote: | | non-player zealot wrote: | | I'd rather have Lou Williams back than damn near anyone on that list. Randle could have 40/25 and I'd still want to see how the rest of his game went. Ingram could turn out a good player, but he was sent out for AD. Had to go. A lot of that you listed is just "strange". Was it actually good or do you feel wistful that it's for some other team now? Is anything that they do that IS good on another team better than what they did on the whole here? Ingram could've had that statline on any given night here, same as Zo, et al. |
the great one has spoken!
and i agree! Lou is haunting me, and has been for the past few years. This guy is a killer. The Laker fans complained incessantly about him, I was very frustrated by that btw. Lou destroyed us the last game, it wasn't Kawhi. And Lou destroyed everyone and carried the Clips in the playoffs last year. What a mistake. Yea, the chain of events got us AD, but man...I'd trade Lou for Lebron in a heartbeat. |
Note how OP didn't mention Jordan Clarkson and Larry Nance.
Lou shreds us up like a Loup-garoux.
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The only questions you have to ask is how much were we winning when those players wore the P & G? If they're so good, how come we never made the playoffs?
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| Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:28 am Post subject: |
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New suggestion for the thread title;
Rather than enjoy the players we have - let's focus on who we no longer have...!
Count me out...!
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| Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:47 am Post subject: Re: somewhat depressing seeing our castaways do well |
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| nomoreshaq wrote: | randle - 25/11
thomas bryant - 14/11/3
bonga - 9/3/2
moe wagner - 13 pts (3/4 3pt)
hart - 15/10
ingram - 22/5/5
lonzo - 8/5/5
d'lo - 21/7/3 (last year)
zubac - 8 pts in 9 min
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Some of these guys have bounced around to multiple teams, and a lot are being paid pretty hefty contracts. It's not like this is a group of cheap rookies anymore. A lot of them still are unproven even after several years in the league. There isn't a superstar in the bunch; there isn't one guy I'd want to be the #1 on my team.
Sure, in hindsight, there are some I would want at their current salary, and some I would not. I would be nervous about handing Ingram a big contract after his rookie contract expires this year.
Bottom line: if we replaced out current roster with the guys you listed above, I don't think we'd have a contending team. |
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