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 Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:33 am Post subject: Lakers Hire New Scout |
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| Quote: | Bittersweet news:
I have left EV Hoops and joined the #Lakers as a scout. This opportunity is amazing and life changing. But I am also sad to say goodbye to the EVH Family. |
https://twitter.com/elanvino/status/1180475552655917056?s=21 |
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Is he good?
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Looks like he ran his own scouting school.
Read a couple articles, but nothing too innovative?
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| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Lakers Hire New Scout |
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So he left his own company? Elan Vinokurov = EV Hoops?
From 2 years ago:
https://www.inquirer.com/philly/sports/philly-hoops/2017_NBA_draft_expert_Elan_Vinokurov_Jim_Clibanoff_Drexel.html
| Quote: | | "We pride ourselves on the second round," Vinokurov said. "I think an NBA team is going to look at the first round, and they're going to use a lot of their resources to make sure they don't botch their first-round pick. Our job is the alternative. . . . We're experts in the draft, but when it comes to the second round, there's nobody in the country that knows what we know." |
Excellent.
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| Quote: | | but when it comes to the second round, there's nobody in the country that knows what we know |
Doesn't make sense to me. BPA is BPA regardless of what round the player is drafted in.
Also, teams botch 1st round picks all the time, so it technically shouldn't be considered any more risky than a 2nd round pick anyway.
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Welcome aboard Lethal Scout! 
So guess this is Ryan West's replacement? |
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Does he or she have a name?
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Do we have any draft pick that we kept for more than 3 years during the past 7 years? JC is the only one I could think of. So I'm not too keen on our scouting department. We're better off just trade for guys and build thru FA. With Lebron and AD on our team, FA is the way to go. Drafting? Not so much.
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Do we have any draft pick that we kept for more than 3 years during the past 7 years? JC is the only one I could think of. So I'm not too keen on our scouting department. We're better off just trade for guys and build thru FA. With Lebron and AD on our team, FA is the way to go. Drafting? Not so much. |
You may want to go back over the list of drafted players over the past 5-7 years. Many spread around the league as starters or professional impact players on other teams.
Just because the Lakers chose a complete free agent vet rebuild does not make those draft picks (first and second rds) any less talented.
Hope the new scout is damn good and finds some late first and second round gems in the coming years. Likely won’t be trading them all away as much moving forward. Lakers will need the cheap labor to contribute. |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Do we have any draft pick that we kept for more than 3 years during the past 7 years? JC is the only one I could think of. So I'm not too keen on our scouting department. We're better off just trade for guys and build thru FA. With Lebron and AD on our team, FA is the way to go. Drafting? Not so much. |
We’ve signed two top FAs in 23 seasons, one in his prime and one past his prime. That isn’t a sustainable way to build title teams. Our past 5 titles have been a result of good trades by West and Kupchak.
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| Allow me to be the first: Fire him! |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Do we have any draft pick that we kept for more than 3 years during the past 7 years? JC is the only one I could think of. So I'm not too keen on our scouting department. We're better off just trade for guys and build thru FA. With Lebron and AD on our team, FA is the way to go. Drafting? Not so much. |
We’ve signed two top FAs in 23 seasons, one in his prime and one past his prime. That isn’t a sustainable way to build title teams. Our past 5 titles have been a result of good trades by West and Kupchak. |
Our ten year drought has been a result of bad signings by Kupchak though. |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Do we have any draft pick that we kept for more than 3 years during the past 7 years? JC is the only one I could think of. So I'm not too keen on our scouting department. We're better off just trade for guys and build thru FA. With Lebron and AD on our team, FA is the way to go. Drafting? Not so much. |
You may want to go back over the list of drafted players over the past 5-7 years. Many spread around the league as starters or professional impact players on other teams.
Just because the Lakers chose a complete free agent vet rebuild does not make those draft picks (first and second rds) any less talented.
Hope the new scout is damn good and finds some late first and second round gems in the coming years. Likely won’t be trading them all away as much moving forward. Lakers will need the cheap labor to contribute. |
Professional impact players? In other words, average players good enough to help their teams finish just out of the playoffs? Have we drafted guys like AD, Steph or Giannis? Guys that actually make their teams into actual championship contenders. DLo? Ball? JR? These guys are all jokes. Thank god we've been blessed to finally traded for AD, a player that turns us into championship contender.
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Do we have any draft pick that we kept for more than 3 years during the past 7 years? JC is the only one I could think of. So I'm not too keen on our scouting department. We're better off just trade for guys and build thru FA. With Lebron and AD on our team, FA is the way to go. Drafting? Not so much. |
You may want to go back over the list of drafted players over the past 5-7 years. Many spread around the league as starters or professional impact players on other teams.
Just because the Lakers chose a complete free agent vet rebuild does not make those draft picks (first and second rds) any less talented.
Hope the new scout is damn good and finds some late first and second round gems in the coming years. Likely won’t be trading them all away as much moving forward. Lakers will need the cheap labor to contribute. |
Professional impact players? In other words, average players good enough to help their teams finish just out of the playoffs? Have we drafted guys like AD, Steph or Giannis? Guys that actually make their teams into actual championship contenders. DLo? Ball? JR? These guys are all jokes. Thank god we've been blessed to finally traded for AD, a player that turns us into championship contender. |
The nicest thing I can say about your post is that maybe you and 4 Decade aren't really talking about the same set of players. I think he's referring to 2nd rounders, or late 1st rounders - picks where the odds of a player panning out are much worse, and where teams have to rely on the quality of their scouting departments more.
But to dump on your comparisons a little:
1st 2 seasons, postseason records:
Lonzo/DLo: 0 games played, 0 points scored.
Steph Curry: 0 games played, 0 points scored.
AD: 0 games played, 0 points scored
Giannis: 6 games played in 2nd year, as a role player.
Also, it's worth noting that a well-regarded GM (David Griffin) accepted 3 of our "jokes" for AD. So either he's an idiot, or Rob Pelinka is one of the greatest GMs of all time. |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Do we have any draft pick that we kept for more than 3 years during the past 7 years? JC is the only one I could think of. So I'm not too keen on our scouting department. We're better off just trade for guys and build thru FA. With Lebron and AD on our team, FA is the way to go. Drafting? Not so much. |
You may want to go back over the list of drafted players over the past 5-7 years. Many spread around the league as starters or professional impact players on other teams.
Just because the Lakers chose a complete free agent vet rebuild does not make those draft picks (first and second rds) any less talented.
Hope the new scout is damn good and finds some late first and second round gems in the coming years. Likely won’t be trading them all away as much moving forward. Lakers will need the cheap labor to contribute. |
Professional impact players? In other words, average players good enough to help their teams finish just out of the playoffs? Have we drafted guys like AD, Steph or Giannis? Guys that actually make their teams into actual championship contenders. DLo? Ball? JR? These guys are all jokes. Thank god we've been blessed to finally traded for AD, a player that turns us into championship contender. |
So AD made his team into an actual contender? What a joke that is.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Do we have any draft pick that we kept for more than 3 years during the past 7 years? JC is the only one I could think of. So I'm not too keen on our scouting department. We're better off just trade for guys and build thru FA. With Lebron and AD on our team, FA is the way to go. Drafting? Not so much. |
You may want to go back over the list of drafted players over the past 5-7 years. Many spread around the league as starters or professional impact players on other teams.
Just because the Lakers chose a complete free agent vet rebuild does not make those draft picks (first and second rds) any less talented.
Hope the new scout is damn good and finds some late first and second round gems in the coming years. Likely won’t be trading them all away as much moving forward. Lakers will need the cheap labor to contribute. |
Professional impact players? In other words, average players good enough to help their teams finish just out of the playoffs? Have we drafted guys like AD, Steph or Giannis? Guys that actually make their teams into actual championship contenders. DLo? Ball? JR? These guys are all jokes. Thank god we've been blessed to finally traded for AD, a player that turns us into championship contender. |
So AD made his team into an actual contender? What a joke that is. |
There has never been a player in the history of any major American team sport who singlehandedly made their team into a title contender. |
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Agree 100%. AD is a top player but has always needed someone like Lebron to feed him the ball. It takes a group effort to win a title. Even with Kawhi, Lowry and the other vet players on Toronto, it took the emergence of Pascal to win. We are going to need that breakout player if we want to contend for a title.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Agree 100%. AD is a top player but has always needed someone like Lebron to feed him the ball. It takes a group effort to win a title. Even with Kawhi, Lowry and the other vet players on Toronto, it took the emergence of Pascal to win. We are going to need that breakout player if we want to contend for a title. |
Kawhi mid 1st
Lowry late 1st
Siakam late 1st
Gasol mid 2nd
Ibaka late 1st
This is what happens when guys jump to the league fairly young. They still need to mature and develop their skills.
The LAL picks didn't get enough time as a Laker. But seeing Randle and DLO succeed doesn't surprise me either.
Hell, we need those two on this team.
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| I hope hiring a new scout doesn't mean we are tanking this season... |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Agree 100%. AD is a top player but has always needed someone like Lebron to feed him the ball. It takes a group effort to win a title. Even with Kawhi, Lowry and the other vet players on Toronto, it took the emergence of Pascal to win. We are going to need that breakout player if we want to contend for a title. |
Kawhi mid 1st
Lowry late 1st
Siakam late 1st
Gasol mid 2nd
Ibaka late 1st
This is what happens when guys jump to the league fairly young. They still need to mature and develop their skills.
The LAL picks didn't get enough time as a Laker. But seeing Randle and DLO succeed doesn't surprise me either.
Hell, we need those two on this team. |
The hurtful part is that we got nothing for them
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Does he or she have a name? |
Scout, New Scout
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Agree 100%. AD is a top player but has always needed someone like Lebron to feed him the ball. It takes a group effort to win a title. Even with Kawhi, Lowry and the other vet players on Toronto, it took the emergence of Pascal to win. We are going to need that breakout player if we want to contend for a title. |
Kawhi mid 1st
Lowry late 1st
Siakam late 1st
Gasol mid 2nd
Ibaka late 1st
This is what happens when guys jump to the league fairly young. They still need to mature and develop their skills.
The LAL picks didn't get enough time as a Laker. But seeing Randle and DLO succeed doesn't surprise me either.
Hell, we need those two on this team. |
1) Who do you get rid of to accommodate their $45,000,000.00 in combined salary?
2) How come Randle hasn't gotten any max offers the last 2 seasons (when epic numbers of teams had cap space)?
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You wouldn’t have to get rid of anyone. Of course if you did keep the kids, the Buss brats would have to consider paying luxury tax. By playing the FA game that wouldn’t happen.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | You wouldn’t have to get rid of anyone. Of course if you did keep the kids, the Buss brats would have to consider paying luxury tax. By playing the FA game that wouldn’t happen. |
Would they still have been able to acquire AD? Not sure how the $ would work. |
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They definitely wouldn’t have needed to trade so many players for AD. And they will be in the same boat next season with only AD’s and Lebron’s contracts available to trade.
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