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How many refugees does China accept per annum?


why would china want to accept any refugees?
my guess is if they had enough control, zero.

Because they're anti-global citizens and unworthy of usurping the flawed US as global hegemon on that basis alone.
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are you asking japan and korea to come to the aid of taiwan.
what is in it for them?
if your answer is to put the bully in check, my answer is it is hopeless.

Come on. You don't think South Korea and (especially) Japan won't see the Chinese sacking of Taiwan as the co ckatoo in the coal mine?

The U.S. and Japan mutually nullify Article 9 while the ROK and Japan rapidly nuclearize.


sure, rok and japan would nuclearize
but why come to aid of taiwan and fight a hopeless war.
makes no sense to me as it is all loss and risk and no upside.

Because China won't stop with Taiwan.


that is why they nuclearize.
to be honest, i dont think nuclearize would make a difference either.

Well, the difference is nuking China.


if u nuke china, u will die.
if u surrender, u get to live.
i choose live all the time unless it is isis or hitler

Who will die? The Chinese?


i am putting myself in the shoes of the japanese leader.
if i nuke china, they will nuke me and i am dead.
the chinese will also die but i dont really care because i would be dead

They wouldn't aim them at the US?


they may aim them at the us, but why would china not nuke japan if japan nukes china?
if i am the japanese leader, why would i even care if us gets nuke if i am dead?
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I mean, if you want to test that tenuous Chinese-Russian alliance when it comes to mutually assured destruction, good on ya, tankie.


Dude, the only people not deathly afraid of Russia by themselves is America. Because the minute you seriously go after Russia is the minute you kiss Europe goodbye. It's like the minute you go after NK is the minute you kiss SK goodbye.

America is propping up the West, you know this right?

Sure. And...?
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exactly there is no solution.
if china wants to take taiwan, there is no reasonable way to stop them.
like i said earlier, there are better reasons why china does not grab it besides military power, particularly preserving those state-of-the-art semiconductor factories better than anything in china currently.

Open military conflict isn't the solution, but the DC foreign policy blob is very much gearing up for some future armed conflict with China even if it's limited in scope.


sure they need to justify the aircraft carriers, stealth planes, submarines etc.
i do not see any scenario in which there is a military conflict between the us and china unless the president literally goes insane


It already happened in the Korean war.
Plus Taiwan is a huge disadvantage for China unlike Korea where they can just pour troops from the border without a strong navy.


oh please.
korean war had a china that was war torn and minimal military hardware.
now you are talking about a country fielding stealth aircraft.
even i know that you first take out the airports and achieve air superiority.
from there, you can essentially do whatever you want if you dont care about civilian casualties.


I don't need airports to deploy anti-aircraft missile systems.


how long will your precious SAMs last against stealth aircraft and combat uavs?

what is the benefit for the average taiwanese to fight a hopeless war?

it is not as if they are fighting nazi germany where they will all get gassed if they lose

what is the upside for the soldiers.


Defending their current way of life and political system.
China doesn't want to shed blood because if they fail that could be a huge destabilizing force for the Party. This is why they want to convince Taiwan to give up. What we are seeing is the opposite sentiment among Taiwanese citizens.


may be i am the type that surrenders to early.
taiwan's way of life is not that different than china's way of life.
my read of taiwan is relative economic stagnation.
not much fun.
again, the price i see in taiwan are those semiconductor factories that are 3 generations ahead of china.
so i would think they can get a really good deal if china made up its mind to take over.


People in Taiwan do not want to live under CCP rule. They live in a democracy where they elect their leaders. I don't know of any democracy where people are willing to give up their voting rights and be a pound of flesh for the government to do whatever they want with their people as they please.


sorry i have not voted since reagan
i find voting to be a waste of time and i hate politicians everywhere.


Claims to vote in US elections in the past.
Defends the CCP with the fury of the fire of a thousand suns.....
Yeah, ok....
If you hate politicians whats worst than giving up your rights to a guy who has a lifetime appointment to the position like those in the CCP.


i said i have NOT voted since reagan.
i am only saying ccp can take taiwan and nobody is going to fight them because people are selfish.
just like trump did with the kurds.
i go to china to make money and get good chinese food, not to enjoy their political system
imo the us political system is only marginally better, and if those isis members are released from syria, i would feel much safer in china with their AI based surveillance system geared to track down minorities.


So you go running back to a democracy....how convenient.
Tells people in a democratic system to go ahead and embrace a system run by Communists....but personally enjoys all the fruits of the democracy.
Plus nobody chooses to live in a police state, they do so because the government forced it upon them.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:40 pm    Post subject:

cal1piggy wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:

are you asking japan and korea to come to the aid of taiwan.
what is in it for them?
if your answer is to put the bully in check, my answer is it is hopeless.

Come on. You don't think South Korea and (especially) Japan won't see the Chinese sacking of Taiwan as the co ckatoo in the coal mine?

The U.S. and Japan mutually nullify Article 9 while the ROK and Japan rapidly nuclearize.


sure, rok and japan would nuclearize
but why come to aid of taiwan and fight a hopeless war.
makes no sense to me as it is all loss and risk and no upside.

Because China won't stop with Taiwan.


that is why they nuclearize.
to be honest, i dont think nuclearize would make a difference either.

Well, the difference is nuking China.


if u nuke china, u will die.
if u surrender, u get to live.
i choose live all the time unless it is isis or hitler

Who will die? The Chinese?


i am putting myself in the shoes of the japanese leader.
if i nuke china, they will nuke me and i am dead.
the chinese will also die but i dont really care because i would be dead

They wouldn't aim them at the US?


they may aim them at the us, but why would china not nuke japan if japan nukes china?
if i am the japanese leader, why would i even care if us gets nuke if i am dead?

What if the US nukes China and Japan doesn't?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:40 pm    Post subject:

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cal1piggy wrote:
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How many refugees does China accept per annum?


why would china want to accept any refugees?
my guess is if they had enough control, zero.

Because they're anti-global citizens and unworthy of usurping the flawed US as global hegemon on that basis alone.


worthy and unworthy are value judgments based on different culture values.
winners are based on power, influence, money and intelligence.
winners write the history books, as they say.
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cal1piggy wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
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cal1piggy wrote:


exactly there is no solution.
if china wants to take taiwan, there is no reasonable way to stop them.
like i said earlier, there are better reasons why china does not grab it besides military power, particularly preserving those state-of-the-art semiconductor factories better than anything in china currently.

Open military conflict isn't the solution, but the DC foreign policy blob is very much gearing up for some future armed conflict with China even if it's limited in scope.


sure they need to justify the aircraft carriers, stealth planes, submarines etc.
i do not see any scenario in which there is a military conflict between the us and china unless the president literally goes insane


It already happened in the Korean war.
Plus Taiwan is a huge disadvantage for China unlike Korea where they can just pour troops from the border without a strong navy.


oh please.
korean war had a china that was war torn and minimal military hardware.
now you are talking about a country fielding stealth aircraft.
even i know that you first take out the airports and achieve air superiority.
from there, you can essentially do whatever you want if you dont care about civilian casualties.


I don't need airports to deploy anti-aircraft missile systems.


how long will your precious SAMs last against stealth aircraft and combat uavs?

what is the benefit for the average taiwanese to fight a hopeless war?

it is not as if they are fighting nazi germany where they will all get gassed if they lose

what is the upside for the soldiers.


Defending their current way of life and political system.
China doesn't want to shed blood because if they fail that could be a huge destabilizing force for the Party. This is why they want to convince Taiwan to give up. What we are seeing is the opposite sentiment among Taiwanese citizens.


may be i am the type that surrenders to early.
taiwan's way of life is not that different than china's way of life.
my read of taiwan is relative economic stagnation.
not much fun.
again, the price i see in taiwan are those semiconductor factories that are 3 generations ahead of china.
so i would think they can get a really good deal if china made up its mind to take over.


People in Taiwan do not want to live under CCP rule. They live in a democracy where they elect their leaders. I don't know of any democracy where people are willing to give up their voting rights and be a pound of flesh for the government to do whatever they want with their people as they please.


sorry i have not voted since reagan
i find voting to be a waste of time and i hate politicians everywhere.


Claims to vote in US elections in the past.
Defends the CCP with the fury of the fire of a thousand suns.....
Yeah, ok....
If you hate politicians whats worst than giving up your rights to a guy who has a lifetime appointment to the position like those in the CCP.


i said i have NOT voted since reagan.
i am only saying ccp can take taiwan and nobody is going to fight them because people are selfish.
just like trump did with the kurds.
i go to china to make money and get good chinese food, not to enjoy their political system
imo the us political system is only marginally better, and if those isis members are released from syria, i would feel much safer in china with their AI based surveillance system geared to track down minorities.


So you go running back to a democracy....how convenient.
Tells people in a democratic system to go ahead and embrace a system run by Communists....but personally enjoys all the fruits of the democracy.
Plus nobody chooses to live in a police state, they do so because the government forced it upon them.

My favorite part of the bit is a dude who hasn't voted since Reagan.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:41 pm    Post subject:

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I mean, if you want to test that tenuous Chinese-Russian alliance when it comes to mutually assured destruction, good on ya, tankie.


Dude, the only people not deathly afraid of Russia by themselves is America. Because the minute you seriously go after Russia is the minute you kiss Europe goodbye. It's like the minute you go after NK is the minute you kiss SK goodbye.

America is propping up the West, you know this right?

Sure. And...?


And … nobody's going after anybody xD. All this talk of military action is pointless. America will sail a ship through the South China Sea and everybody will eyeball each other, and they'll park a ship off the coast off NK and not do anything, and everybody will go home again.

What's all this talk of people nuking people? What? Who's nuking who? China nuking Japan nuking Taiwan? What are people talking about?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:42 pm    Post subject:

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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
How many refugees does China accept per annum?


why would china want to accept any refugees?
my guess is if they had enough control, zero.

Because they're anti-global citizens and unworthy of usurping the flawed US as global hegemon on that basis alone.


worthy and unworthy are value judgments based on different culture values.
winners are based on power, influence, money and intelligence.
winners write the history books, as they say.

No, you're a fascist at heart.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:42 pm    Post subject:

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cal1piggy wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:

are you asking japan and korea to come to the aid of taiwan.
what is in it for them?
if your answer is to put the bully in check, my answer is it is hopeless.

Come on. You don't think South Korea and (especially) Japan won't see the Chinese sacking of Taiwan as the co ckatoo in the coal mine?

The U.S. and Japan mutually nullify Article 9 while the ROK and Japan rapidly nuclearize.


sure, rok and japan would nuclearize
but why come to aid of taiwan and fight a hopeless war.
makes no sense to me as it is all loss and risk and no upside.

Because China won't stop with Taiwan.


that is why they nuclearize.
to be honest, i dont think nuclearize would make a difference either.

Well, the difference is nuking China.


if u nuke china, u will die.
if u surrender, u get to live.
i choose live all the time unless it is isis or hitler

Who will die? The Chinese?


i am putting myself in the shoes of the japanese leader.
if i nuke china, they will nuke me and i am dead.
the chinese will also die but i dont really care because i would be dead

They wouldn't aim them at the US?


they may aim them at the us, but why would china not nuke japan if japan nukes china?
if i am the japanese leader, why would i even care if us gets nuke if i am dead?

What if the US nukes China and Japan doesn't?


you said japan would come to the aid of taiwan.
then you say japan would nuke china.
i answered your question and showed that it is illogical for japan to come to the aid of taiwan and for japan to actually launch a nuke at china.

us launch a nuke at china
why would the us nuke china and commit all americans to die?
makes no rational sense.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:42 pm    Post subject:

drae wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
drae wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
I mean, if you want to test that tenuous Chinese-Russian alliance when it comes to mutually assured destruction, good on ya, tankie.


Dude, the only people not deathly afraid of Russia by themselves is America. Because the minute you seriously go after Russia is the minute you kiss Europe goodbye. It's like the minute you go after NK is the minute you kiss SK goodbye.

America is propping up the West, you know this right?

Sure. And...?


And … nobody's going after anybody xD. All this talk of military action is pointless. America will sail a ship through the South China Sea and everybody will eyeball each other, and they'll park a ship off the coast off NK and not do anything, and everybody will go home again.

What's all this talk of people nuking people? What? Who's nuking who? China nuking Japan nuking Taiwan? What are people talking about?

This is exactly correct.
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If I had to guess he is posting at one of those 50 cent factories defending the CCP. You find these guys all over yahoo and other American websites trying to influence opinions.

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how long will your precious SAMs last against stealth aircraft and combat uavs?

what is the benefit for the average taiwanese to fight a hopeless war?

it is not as if they are fighting nazi germany where they will all get gassed if they lose

what is the upside for the soldiers.


Defending their current way of life and political system.
China doesn't want to shed blood because if they fail that could be a huge destabilizing force for the Party. This is why they want to convince Taiwan to give up. What we are seeing is the opposite sentiment among Taiwanese citizens.


may be i am the type that surrenders to early.
taiwan's way of life is not that different than china's way of life.
my read of taiwan is relative economic stagnation.
not much fun.
again, the price i see in taiwan are those semiconductor factories that are 3 generations ahead of china.
so i would think they can get a really good deal if china made up its mind to take over.


People in Taiwan do not want to live under CCP rule. They live in a democracy where they elect their leaders. I don't know of any democracy where people are willing to give up their voting rights and be a pound of flesh for the government to do whatever they want with their people as they please.


sorry i have not voted since reagan
i find voting to be a waste of time and i hate politicians everywhere.


Claims to vote in US elections in the past.
Defends the CCP with the fury of the fire of a thousand suns.....
Yeah, ok....
If you hate politicians whats worst than giving up your rights to a guy who has a lifetime appointment to the position like those in the CCP.


i said i have NOT voted since reagan.
i am only saying ccp can take taiwan and nobody is going to fight them because people are selfish.
just like trump did with the kurds.
i go to china to make money and get good chinese food, not to enjoy their political system
imo the us political system is only marginally better, and if those isis members are released from syria, i would feel much safer in china with their AI based surveillance system geared to track down minorities.


So you go running back to a democracy....how convenient.
Tells people in a democratic system to go ahead and embrace a system run by Communists....but personally enjoys all the fruits of the democracy.
Plus nobody chooses to live in a police state, they do so because the government forced it upon them.

My favorite part of the bit is a dude who hasn't voted since Reagan.


what is the big deal with no voting since reagan.
i learned that voting was a waste of time and stopped wasting my time.
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cal1piggy wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:

are you asking japan and korea to come to the aid of taiwan.
what is in it for them?
if your answer is to put the bully in check, my answer is it is hopeless.

Come on. You don't think South Korea and (especially) Japan won't see the Chinese sacking of Taiwan as the co ckatoo in the coal mine?

The U.S. and Japan mutually nullify Article 9 while the ROK and Japan rapidly nuclearize.


sure, rok and japan would nuclearize
but why come to aid of taiwan and fight a hopeless war.
makes no sense to me as it is all loss and risk and no upside.

Because China won't stop with Taiwan.


that is why they nuclearize.
to be honest, i dont think nuclearize would make a difference either.

Well, the difference is nuking China.


if u nuke china, u will die.
if u surrender, u get to live.
i choose live all the time unless it is isis or hitler

Who will die? The Chinese?


i am putting myself in the shoes of the japanese leader.
if i nuke china, they will nuke me and i am dead.
the chinese will also die but i dont really care because i would be dead

They wouldn't aim them at the US?


they may aim them at the us, but why would china not nuke japan if japan nukes china?
if i am the japanese leader, why would i even care if us gets nuke if i am dead?

What if the US nukes China and Japan doesn't?


you said japan would come to the aid of taiwan.
then you say japan would nuke china.
i answered your question and showed that it is illogical for japan to come to the aid of taiwan and for japan to actually launch a nuke at china.

us launch a nuke at china
why would the us nuke china and commit all americans to die?
makes no rational sense.

Ah, I see where you were mistaken.
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
drae wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
I mean, if you want to test that tenuous Chinese-Russian alliance when it comes to mutually assured destruction, good on ya, tankie.


Dude, the only people not deathly afraid of Russia by themselves is America. Because the minute you seriously go after Russia is the minute you kiss Europe goodbye. It's like the minute you go after NK is the minute you kiss SK goodbye.

America is propping up the West, you know this right?

Sure. And...?


And … nobody's going after anybody xD. All this talk of military action is pointless. America will sail a ship through the South China Sea and everybody will eyeball each other, and they'll park a ship off the coast off NK and not do anything, and everybody will go home again.

What's all this talk of people nuking people? What? Who's nuking who? China nuking Japan nuking Taiwan? What are people talking about?


exactly nobody is nuking anyone
makes no sense to commit suicide
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If I had to guess he is posting at one of those 50 cent factories defending the CCP. You find these guys all over yahoo and other American websites trying to influence opinions.

Yeah, I'm done with the tankies.
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Xi Jinping rapes disabled children for breakfast.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:49 pm    Post subject:

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well this is gotten off topic, but whatever.

To those that worry about Chinese military actions. It's highly unlikely and probably never happen.

Btw, today is not "independence" day for Taiwan, war would have broke out had independence been declared. i think there will be military actions if and only if Taiwan declares independence, which they never will dare to. Things will likely cool down after next year's election.

As for Hong Kong, it's more like child's play than anything else. Why would the central government do anything when Hong Kong pays no money to the central government? Wouldn't they want Hong Kong to die so the investment money and skilled workers flow to the north where the personal and business incomes are taxed?

One interesting observation if you guys have been to the Chinese communities in socal like the san gabriel valley. Back in the 90s, the Chinese population there are mostly Hong konger and Taiwanese. Now a days it's mostly mainland Chinese

A lot of mainland Chinese want to leave China?


more like a lot of mainland Chinese having the option of visiting/working/living in the US.
Wanting to get to the US doesn't get you here, it's even tougher with Trump now.

Probably want to move some money and land ownership just in case the government takes their money.


Every government takes your money. Tax is way higher here in the US. Yes you own the land but you still need to pay high property tax.
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cal1piggy wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
How many refugees does China accept per annum?


why would china want to accept any refugees?
my guess is if they had enough control, zero.

Because they're anti-global citizens and unworthy of usurping the flawed US as global hegemon on that basis alone.


worthy and unworthy are value judgments based on different culture values.
winners are based on power, influence, money and intelligence.
winners write the history books, as they say.

No, you're a fascist at heart.


i am just being honest since i will never see you in real life.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:51 pm    Post subject:

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If I had to guess he is posting at one of those 50 cent factories defending the CCP. You find these guys all over yahoo and other American websites trying to influence opinions.


too bad my ip address is southern california
keep dreaming

i may be in china in 6 weeks though but that is only for 2 weeks or so
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:53 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Xi Jinping rapes disabled children for breakfast.


i think you are running out of things to say
xi can have whatever he wants in china from supermodels to movie stars to whatever.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:54 pm    Post subject:

Wang Yi eats children's faces supplied by cal1piggy to maintain his bootblack youthful appearance.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:54 pm    Post subject:

lakersken80 wrote:
If I had to guess he is posting at one of those 50 cent factories defending the CCP. You find these guys all over yahoo and other American websites trying to influence opinions.


Had my suspicions as well, they are everywhere.
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Wang Qishan thinks cal1piggy's mother and sisters look delicious and worthy of his benevolent attention.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:55 pm    Post subject:

cal1piggy wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
If I had to guess he is posting at one of those 50 cent factories defending the CCP. You find these guys all over yahoo and other American websites trying to influence opinions.


too bad my ip address is southern california
keep dreaming

i may be in china in 6 weeks though but that is only for 2 weeks or so


That doesn't really prove anything.
You could be a CCP loyalist, or you could be spoofing an IP address.
Either way you've proven your loyalties pretty clear here.
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