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Was Magic the worst GM in Lakers history?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:59 am    Post subject: Was Magic the Worst GM in Lakers History?

Simple poll question: If yes, why? If no, who was worse?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:33 am    Post subject:

We got LeBron and AD... i've moved on, Magic is back to Magic the legendary player in my head
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:34 am    Post subject:

governator wrote:
We got LeBron and AD... i've moved on, Magic is back to Magic the legendary player in my head

Pelinka got AD
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:01 am    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
governator wrote:
We got LeBron and AD... i've moved on, Magic is back to Magic the legendary player in my head

Pelinka got AD


You or I could have given up everything we had for AD.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:02 am    Post subject:

Magic wasn't the GM
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:15 am    Post subject:

The Lakers have only had 12 GMs stretching back to their Minnesota origins:

Rk Executive
1 Max Winter
2 George Mikan
3 John Kundla
4 Bob Short
5 Lou Mohs
6 Fred Schaus
7 Pete Newell
8 Bill Sharman
9 Jerry West
10 Mitch Kupchak
11 Magic Johnson
12 Rob Pelinka

For the old heads how effective were Newell and Schaus as GMs? They each lasted a few more years than Magic at least.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:46 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
governator wrote:
We got LeBron and AD... i've moved on, Magic is back to Magic the legendary player in my head

Pelinka got AD


You or I could have given up everything we had for AD.


This is false. the Pelicans wanted the Celtics package over the Lakers package but the Celtics and Danny Ainge didn’t want to give up Jayson Tatum, that means Pelinka convinced David Griffin and the Pelicans to accept the trade, I’m not sure why people don’t want to admit that Pelinka is a good GM.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:54 am    Post subject:

Worst at assembling role players and understanding a team's strengths and weaknesses... yes.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:55 am    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
The Lakers have only had 12 GMs stretching back to their Minnesota origins:

Rk Executive
1 Max Winter
2 George Mikan
3 John Kundla
4 Bob Short
5 Lou Mohs
6 Fred Schaus
7 Pete Newell
8 Bill Sharman
9 Jerry West
10 Mitch Kupchak
11 Magic Johnson
12 Rob Pelinka

For the old heads how effective were Newell and Schaus as GMs? They each lasted a few more years than Magic at least.


Wasn't Chick the GM, at least unofficially, at one point?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:03 am    Post subject:

THE WORST. Absolutely, the worst.

People say he got LeBron? Fine, but people like calling Mitch the worst even though he kept the Shaq-Kobe Lakers afloat after Logo left in 2000 (after the 1st title) and still re-loaded around Kobe for 2009-10, and STILL pulled off the Malone/ GP, Nash, and Howard deals even though they ultimately didn't pan out.

Magic did have a decent signing in McGee, but let Brook Lopez go for peanuts (denying his then-coach's request), only for him to excel on a contending team built around a ball-dominant, multi-skilled phenom, and quadruple his market value the following year.

Magic declined to re-sign Randle (again over his then-coach's request), only to watch him continue his steady improvement in his game, add an improving 3-pt shot (34%, 2.7 att/gm), and average a career-high scoring average (21.4).

Even though we already had multiple ball-handling play-makers on the roster in Lonzo (7.2 ast), Ingram (3.9 ast), and Randle (2.6 ast), signed 2 more in Rondo and Lance despite their unreliable shooting.

Passed up decent outside shooters in guys like Joe Harris and others who could have been had for reasonable prices.

Refused to sign trade-able assets and focused only on 1-year rentals that would have no trade value and could not be desirable trade ballast, forcing us to trade our top prospects when AD became available.

Passed up Landry Shamet, Mitchell Robinson, and other immediate contributors in the draft for non-effective project players.

Traded a cost-controlled Ivica Zubac for a marginal (at best) player, when he could have had S&T value in Summer 2019.

It's been a long time since I've seen a GM make so many bad-judgment calls in so little time.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:05 am    Post subject:

Yes. Not that being the worst means all his decisions were bad. I just think his core philosophy was always about finding another version of himself as the centerpiece and it made him operate with blinders on.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:34 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:03 am    Post subject:

Yes not only were his basketball moves terrible sans lebron, but the way he quit damaged his reputation as a person.

Can't really look at magic the same way anymore. His only saving grace basketball wise was his natural talent.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:21 am    Post subject:

Beating a dead horse.
Ship has sailed.
Time to let it go.

What else am I missing?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:45 am    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
governator wrote:
We got LeBron and AD... i've moved on, Magic is back to Magic the legendary player in my head

Pelinka got AD


You or I could have given up everything we had for AD.


This is false. the Pelicans wanted the Celtics package over the Lakers package but the Celtics and Danny Ainge didn’t want to give up Jayson Tatum, that means Pelinka convinced David Griffin and the Pelicans to accept the trade, I’m not sure why people don’t want to admit that Pelinka is a good GM.


It isn't false, NO told him what they wanted and he said yes. There was no negotiation.

As for the poll question, Magic is the worst Laker FO executive in my lifetime.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:59 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
governator wrote:
We got LeBron and AD... i've moved on, Magic is back to Magic the legendary player in my head

Pelinka got AD


You or I could have given up everything we had for AD.


This is false. the Pelicans wanted the Celtics package over the Lakers package but the Celtics and Danny Ainge didn’t want to give up Jayson Tatum, that means Pelinka convinced David Griffin and the Pelicans to accept the trade, I’m not sure why people don’t want to admit that Pelinka is a good GM.


It isn't false, NO told him what they wanted and he said yes. There was no negotiation.

As for the poll question, Magic is the worst Laker FO executive in my lifetime.


Lakers didn’t include Kuzma which in itself is a negotiation tactic, also the Pelicans could have easily rejected our offer especially considering that Lonzo and BI aren’t really bright when it comes to staying healthy.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:09 am    Post subject:

When was Magic General Manager?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:10 am    Post subject:

Legacy wrote:
When was Magic General Manager?

If it's on Basketball Reference, it happened. Them's the rules.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:19 am    Post subject:

If Jim Buss never existed. Sure.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:27 am    Post subject:

Magic was the president of bball ops, if you mean General Manager I think you are referring to Rob Pelinka.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:27 am    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
If Jim Buss never existed. Sure.


Nah Jim Buss was part of a championship team in the same position.

Magic couldn't even let the lakers finish at .500 for the season with lebron.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:31 am    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Magic was the president of bball ops, if you mean General Manager I think you are referring to Rob Pelinka.

I addressed this above. No edits will be made. Please vote.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:37 am    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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Magic was the president of bball ops, if you mean General Manager I think you are referring to Rob Pelinka.

I addressed this above. No edits will be made. Please vote.


Done

I voted yes, the guy was responsible for choosing Beasley over Brook Lopez and now Beasley after playing in China, got cut by the Pistons to make room for ISO Joe.

This poll should be a huge disadvantage.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:42 am    Post subject:

dabask11 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
If Jim Buss never existed. Sure.


Nah Jim Buss was part of a championship team in the same position.

Magic couldn't even let the lakers finish at .500 for the season with lebron.


Jim was promoted to vice president of player personnel in 2005. Still under his dad and the GM Mitch. No where near head of BBall operations. He inherited Phil Jackson (who he hated), a 27 year old Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom. Even with that, we were a 1st round out at best for 3 years. We wasted prime Kobe years until we got Pau.

Jim wasn't acting as a head of basketball operations (Magic's position) until his father got sick and died. In that position he gave away I dunno how many picks for Nash and Howard. Lost Howard in FA (after not hiring the coach he wanted, Phil). Failed at signing LBJ, Aldridge, Melo, Derozan, D. Jordan, even guys like Greg Monroe said no. So what did he do? Give away 2 of the worst contracts in the league to Mozgov and Deng. Similar to Dwight and Nash, both players played extremely limited time compared to the assets given up. Leading to year after year being the worst team in the conference.
In 1 offseason Magic signed a better player than Jim ever did when he was in his same position (head of Bball operations).

Is Magic an above average head of Bball ops? No way. Is he worse than Jim? Don't make me laugh.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:43 am    Post subject:

he wasn't GM.

Mitch & Jim weren't gonna attract Lebron.

If you hate Klutch and wanted to enjoy five more years of a mediocre young core, you'll think Magic was the worst.

If you're cool with arguably the greatest player ever (top 3 for sure) and a player who two years ago, NBA Twitter/Bloggernerds were crowning as potentially the greatest big man ever, on the Lakers roster, then you'll probably think he had his faults but was worth the pain.
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