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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:28 pm    Post subject:

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Omar...this is a great thread to lock, delete, and then burn. Hopefully I can say that without getting benched.


Why is that?


That you John Ireland?
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So now Rambis is the shadow PoBO? Where does this stuff come from? If there is a shadow PoBO, it's Jeanie Buss.


How do we know this? It's not like the Lakers with Jeanie operate with clear hierarchical lines. There were reports that some of the hires this summer were the result of Rambis. Does Rob report to Jeanie and/or Kurt? Does he get to go in and out of the command and control structure of the Lakers?


What the heck does that mean? Because people aren't sure exactly what Rambis does, this means that he must be shadow PoBO? So Pelinka might be reporting to Rambis? As best I can tell, this is something that has been created on message boards from nothing.

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Kurt Rambis was hired 10 months ago to be the Advisor to the President and when Magic suddenly stepped down, speculation is that Kurt stepped up. "With Johnson gone, Rambis has emerged as a powerful voice in basketball operations and played a major role in the coaching search, as Wojnarowski reported" (from the first ESPN article linked above).

I understand why Jeanie would reach out to a trusted advisor in the wake of Magic's sudden departure, Kurt has been around the game and Jeanie for a long time and he was at least assisting in the role already. And it's not like they have a wealth of knowledge to turn to. Here is a list of FO personnel who might have something to do with making the basketball decisions:
Jeanie Buss Controlling Owner
Rob Pelinka General Manager
Vacant President of Basketball Ops
Kurt Rambis Advisor to the President
Jesse Buss Assistant General Manager and Director of Scouting
Nick Mazzella Director of Basketball Research and Analysis
Bill Bertka Special Assistant to the General Manager
Clay Moser Director of Basketball Strategy
Joey Buss Vice President of Research and Analytics
Bill Bertka Basketball Consultant
Ed Kelley Basketball Operations

Basically Jeanie, Rob, Kurt, the 2 youngest Busses, 3 specialists (Mazella, Moser and Kelley) and 91 year old Bertka.
Is this the best the Lakers could do?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:14 pm    Post subject:

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Eh. There are lots of guys who are good coaches but bad executives and vice versa. I don't see that Rambis record as a coach proves he gives bad advice on constructing a team, anymore than Phil Jackson's great coaching record proves he is a great executive.

Anyway, no one on the outside seems to have any clue what Rambis actually does, what advice he's given, or what role he's played in events. To me, the kind of comments you listed above are little more than filling allotted space that needs to be filled with something, which is a great deal of sports reporting these days.

I don't pretend to have idea if he's done a good job or bad job doing whatever the heck his job is.

Right. No one knows what he does, if he is qualified or if he is any good at it, yet according to reports, he may be the second or third most powerful voice on some Laker decisions.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:23 pm    Post subject:

An exec who was a former coach, and failed because of execution or rotations or whatever..fine.. But Rambis' failures at coaching showed that he thinks the game improperly personnel wise ----- Porzingis is a 3? Sign Jared Dudley to be the SG! Sign Demarcus and Javele because they can play together!
ya know.. who knows if he's thinking that
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Eh. There are lots of guys who are good coaches but bad executives and vice versa. I don't see that Rambis record as a coach proves he gives bad advice on constructing a team, anymore than Phil Jackson's great coaching record proves he is a great executive.

Anyway, no one on the outside seems to have any clue what Rambis actually does, what advice he's given, or what role he's played in events. To me, the kind of comments you listed above are little more than filling allotted space that needs to be filled with something, which is a great deal of sports reporting these days.

I don't pretend to have idea if he's done a good job or bad job doing whatever the heck his job is.

Right. No one knows what he does, if he is qualified or if he is any good at it, yet according to reports, he may be the second or third most powerful voice on some Laker decisions.


My feeling is all you can do as a fan is judge the totality of the moves the organization makes. If you try to apportion credit/blame for certain moves to specific people, you're just looking for an excuse to make yourself upset or giddy.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:24 pm    Post subject:

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Kurt Rambis was hired 10 months ago to be the Advisor to the President and when Magic suddenly stepped down, speculation is that Kurt stepped up.


Perhaps Rambis has taken over Magic's duties of not coming into the office.
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
An exec who was a former coach, and failed because of execution or rotations or whatever..fine.. But Rambis' failures at coaching showed that he thinks the game improperly personnel wise ----- Porzingis is a 3? Sign Jared Dudley to be the SG! Sign Demarcus and Javele because they can play together!
ya know.. who knows if he's thinking that


Until Kurt Rambis develops a stellar FO record then his coaching experience is about all people have to evaluate him on. He applied his outlook and philosophy of the game to his team and it wasn’t just a disaster. It was a historical disaster. It’s possible that the worst head coach ever is actually a brilliant mind when it comes to assembling teams but his background earns him zero benefit of the doubt. If Rambis was fired and we replaced him with Byron Scott should we all be thrilled? Should his past failures be ignored? An argument for Rambis being part of our organization is an argument against hiring people on merit.
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So now Rambis is the shadow PoBO? Where does this stuff come from? If there is a shadow PoBO, it's Jeanie Buss.


How do we know this? It's not like the Lakers with Jeanie operate with clear hierarchical lines. There were reports that some of the hires this summer were the result of Rambis. Does Rob report to Jeanie and/or Kurt? Does he get to go in and out of the command and control structure of the Lakers?


What the heck does that mean? Because people aren't sure exactly what Rambis does, this means that he must be shadow PoBO? So Pelinka might be reporting to Rambis? As best I can tell, this is something that has been created on message boards from nothing.

Not really.
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So the basis for all of this is Pincus claiming that an unnamed executive from another team referred to Rambis as a “shadow president”? And that he, along with Pelinka, was involved in hiring the new coaching staff? To say that this is thin is a understatement.

If Jeanie wanted to make Rambis the PoBO, she could just do it. There are no effective checks on Jeanie. People on message boards would moan about it, but collectively we are a bunch of moaners anyway. Or she could make him the interim PoBO, or whatever she wants. But she hasn’t done any of those things, and there have been no indications that Rambis is doing anything other than what you would expect a senior basketball advisor to do.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:00 pm    Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
JerryMagicKobe wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
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Aeneas Hunter wrote:
So now Rambis is the shadow PoBO? Where does this stuff come from? If there is a shadow PoBO, it's Jeanie Buss.


How do we know this? It's not like the Lakers with Jeanie operate with clear hierarchical lines. There were reports that some of the hires this summer were the result of Rambis. Does Rob report to Jeanie and/or Kurt? Does he get to go in and out of the command and control structure of the Lakers?


What the heck does that mean? Because people aren't sure exactly what Rambis does, this means that he must be shadow PoBO? So Pelinka might be reporting to Rambis? As best I can tell, this is something that has been created on message boards from nothing.

Not really.
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So the basis for all of this is Pincus claiming that an unnamed executive from another team referred to Rambis as a “shadow president”? And that he, along with Pelinka, was involved in hiring the new coaching staff? To say that this is thin is a understatement.

If Jeanie wanted to make Rambis the PoBO, she could just do it. There are no effective checks on Jeanie. People on message boards would moan about it, but collectively we are a bunch of moaners anyway. Or she could make him the interim PoBO, or whatever she wants. But she hasn’t done any of those things, and there have been no indications that Rambis is doing anything other than what you would expect a senior basketball advisor to do.


Bolded for truth.

There is a contingent of posters (and mods) here who are so virulently anti-Jeanie/anti-FO, one wonders why they don't just follow Jerry West to the Clippers?

This "whine-until-Jeanie-sells-the-team" strategy is stupid:

1 - The family makes a healthy chunk of change annually from the team, regardless of the product on the floor;

2 - While the heirs of Jimmy & Johnny would benefit from cashing out, Jesse & Joey benefit more from the "last man standing" proviso. Jeanie has no kids and Janie seems to stick with Jeanie, so there's no path to "forcing a sale."

3 - The Commish (and the other 29 owners) pushed all his chips in behind Jeanie in 2017.

4 - Not only did AEG push their chips in behind Jeanie, too, but they have the most to lose in a sale. While they have a "first look" deal, they don't have first refusal, which means they'd likely have to get into a bidding war and pay 4+ billion to buy the Busses out, or lose their anchor tenant, because whoever buys the team is going to want either a new lease or a new building (a la the Dubs) to maximize revenue.
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Aeneas Hunter wrote:
So the basis for all of this is Pincus claiming that an unnamed executive from another team referred to Rambis as a “shadow president”? And that he, along with Pelinka, was involved in hiring the new coaching staff? To say that this is thin is a understatement.
Pretty sure Pincus didn't ghost write the reports from Ohm Youngmisuk, Dave McMenamin and Adrian Wojnarowski among others.

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
If Jeanie wanted to make Rambis the PoBO, she could just do it. There are no effective checks on Jeanie. People on message boards would moan about it, but collectively we are a bunch of moaners anyway. Or she could make him the interim PoBO, or whatever she wants. But she hasn’t done any of those things, and there have been no indications that Rambis is doing anything other than what you would expect a senior basketball advisor to do.
Right, despite being one of the worst coaches in the history of the NBA, Kurt was singled out and hand selected to play a crucial role in hiring the Lakers Head Coach, but at least he isn't the President of Basketball Operations.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:47 pm    Post subject:

JerryMagicKobe wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
So the basis for all of this is Pincus claiming that an unnamed executive from another team referred to Rambis as a “shadow president”? And that he, along with Pelinka, was involved in hiring the new coaching staff? To say that this is thin is a understatement.
Pretty sure Pincus didn't ghost write the reports from Ohm Youngmisuk, Dave McMenamin and Adrian Wojnarowski among others.



NBA reporting is pretty incestuous. One reporter coaxes a good soundbite out of an anonymous source, and everyone else runs with it until they become tired of the story and switch to the next group think.

As a group, NBA reporters are gossip columnists churning out little tidbits to unbore the bored masses for a minute or two.

95% of what they do is just rewrite each other's crap to fill space. I feel sorry a lot of them: Because of the Internet beast, they have to pound out an ungodly amount of material, so most of the time they don't really have anything to say.

For me, it would be an incredibly boring job.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:23 pm    Post subject:

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Let's frame it another way. What has Kurt Rambis accomplished in a front office to justify him having a high level role (basically the assistant GM) in the Lakers organization? The answer is nothing. He has no FO experience (something that we unfortunately seem to view as a plus). No training under someone experienced and accomplished. He was an assistant coach and then perhaps the worst head coach of the modern era. That's the resume. His wife is friends with the owner and that's why he has the job. That's an embarrassment worthy of mockery.


Likewise, before MAGIC was hired in front office, had he experienced success in a front office position? No. He was also a bad, uninterested coach. More importantly he has always been a selfish, attn-whore & bad evaluator of talent (that's why I thought he'd do bad in the job). With that being said, if he had been hired only as a recruiter & charmer, that wouldn't have bothered me.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:26 pm    Post subject:

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Precisely because without that connection it makes no sense for Kurt to be hired in the first place and there's a well documented history of nepotism in our organization. Kurt is taking the place of somebody capable and experienced and that should bother you.


Kurt is taking the place of Magic, who was NOT "capable & experienced." I get why people are annoyed by the Rambi thing, but as of now, I see no reason to assume he can be any worse than Magic.
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Precisely because without that connection it makes no sense for Kurt to be hired in the first place and there's a well documented history of nepotism in our organization. Kurt is taking the place of somebody capable and experienced and that should bother you.


Kurt is taking the place of Magic, who was NOT "capable & experienced." I get why people are annoyed by the Rambi thing, but as of now, I see no reason to assume he can be any worse than Magic.


Well that’s the low bar we are setting.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:04 pm    Post subject:

Most former Laker coaches are disliked by fans. Rambis and Mike Brown seem to get the most hate. Byron Scott, Mike D’Antoni and Del Harris weren’t liked either.

Riley and Phil won multiple rings so it’s different for them.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:20 pm    Post subject:

Mike Dunleavy and Randy Pfund have quietly exited out the back.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:59 pm    Post subject:

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Most former Laker coaches are disliked by fans. Rambis and Mike Brown seem to get the most hate. Byron Scott, Mike D’Antoni and Del Harris weren’t liked either.

Riley and Phil won multiple rings so it’s different for them.

Fans like coaches who win.
As a young man my basketball idol was B Scott. I copied his free throw and pretty much everything he did.
He was a horrible coach for us. Wish he wasn’t and totally rooted for him but he was given an opportunity and he bleeped the bed.
Magic was the best basketball player I had ever seen. I went to his camp and wore his shoes and have a very sentimental item from the day he announced his retirement. And I’m not very sentimental.
He was a horrible PoBO for us. Wish he wasn’t and totally rooted for him but he was given an opportunity and he bleeped the bed.
Rambis was Superman and Clark Kent simultaneously. Tough and beloved.Seriously, who doesn’t like the guy?
He was a horrible coach. Wish he wasn’t and totally rooted for him but he was given an opportunity and he bleeped the bed.

So, can we maybe raise the bar to those who didn’t just bleep the bed?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:46 pm    Post subject:

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Look, I don't think this argument is valid that because he did not have success as a head coach, he cannot have success as a front office guy. I think it is an incredibly lazy argument. He has had success as a role player and he has had success as an assistant coach. Both Magic and Phil trust his intelligence. There are lots of people who are good at one thing and bad at another. His lack of head coaching success on teams lacking talent provides zero evidence he can't provide sound advice to Jeanie. Does anyone have anything specific or quantified explaining why he cannot be successful in that role?



I have reread this multiple times and it still doesn't feel right.

If Rambis had previously demonstrated competency in something on the basketball operations side


* Scouting

* CBA/Contracts

* Analytics

* Video

* G-League

* Etc


then it would be easier to believe that he will be a successful NBA FO executive.


Look up the biographies for the better FO executives across the league and you will find that most had paid their dues and worked their way up the ladder by showing competency at a lower level position rather than being parachuted into a upper level position like Rambis, Magic and Phil were.


Is it possible that Rambis can find success as a FO executive?

Yes, but he was given the position similar to the ways that Magic and Phil got their positions and neither did well as FO executives.


If there was something special about Rambis that made him rise above other candidates, then bringing him to a high level FO position would have been understandable. I have been unable to identify what made him special beyond being considered part of the Family.


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Does anyone have anything specific or quantified explaining why he cannot be successful in that role?


It comes across as a stilted way to justify a hiring decision.
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I have to pause when I read some of these posts. A few years ago, many people were defending Mitch and Jim. Where are the elite standards then? Why were we not asking for more then in terms of being able to hire elite executives outside of the Laker family? I mean, at least Jeanie and this group delivered on the one promise they made when there was a regime change. It was made clear by Magic that they would get 2 stars back in LA and get back into being a contender. This was delivered within the timeline Magic set - which was 2 years from when the regime changed. I don't think this FO is elite, but my goodness compared to the old regime, this is so much better. When I read posters who used to go out of their way to defend Jim and Mitch, come here and now expect and ask elite standards for the current FO, it makes me question why there was not this demand when Jim was in charge?

Mitch has been in CHA for over a year. They've gotten worse and are going nowhere. I know it's been a short time - but there seems to be much of the same things going on there. He was a great trade negotiator, but the new CBA and the way things were going in free agency, we absolutely made the right call bringing in a former agent like Pelinka. Pelinka established the ties with Klutch, and got this done. He knew it because he himself was an agent. To me the comparison should not be about where the Lakers could be with Toronto's basketball president, it should be about where the Lakers are in comparison to when Jeanie's bro ran things. It's always going to be run by one of siblings, and IMO we're far better off with Jeanie than we were with Jim.

For sure if the Lakers were not a family business and the children especially Jeanie did not grow up watching Dr Buss hire within the Laker family, they probably wind up looking at things differently. Yes it would be great if the Lakers would just look beyond themselves, and go for the best FO executive available. However even Dr Buss did not do this. He hired within the Laker family. He kept old ties, and valued old former employees and considered bringing them back. Think about how many times Mike Dunleavy Sr. got an interview as a Laker coach in the 2004-2013 era. IMO Dunleavy SUCKED as a coach. Yet why did he always get an interview? Because Dr Buss liked him, was friends with him, and was always interested in working with the same people. There's been so many examples of Dr Buss doing exactly what Jeanie is. I think she believes she's doing it like her father. Now this may not be the right approach to have, or the best one, or the absolute most successful one. However at the very least, I respect that she delivered 2 stars within 2 years, with an eye on 2021/Giannis, and the Lakers went from 0% chance at a title, to within striking distance of a title. If we can't even acknowledge this, I mean, there's nothing else to debate. We were just a few months ago talking about being the Knicks West. There were fans on this board claiming us to being Knicks West. Clearly, that talk has evaporated.

To me, once you removed Magic, the drama all ends. Magic is an attention whore, and we see this in the Kawhi stuff. Nothing leaks, other than Magic's stuff. I love Magic the player and I appreciate his efforts in bringing Lebron. I'm happy he left. I feel this current FO is united and much more cohesive and capable than they are given credit for. I think Pelinka is very smart guy, I think he may be a little arrogant for my liking, but he is smart and shown he has learned from his (and mostly Magic's) mistakes from last year. Magic leaving was the best thing to happen to this FO, IMO. I think we'll see a very united professional FO here on out.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:58 am    Post subject:

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Let's frame it another way. What has Kurt Rambis accomplished in a front office to justify him having a high level role (basically the assistant GM) in the Lakers organization? The answer is nothing. He has no FO experience (something that we unfortunately seem to view as a plus). No training under someone experienced and accomplished. He was an assistant coach and then perhaps the worst head coach of the modern era. That's the resume. His wife is friends with the owner and that's why he has the job. That's an embarrassment worthy of mockery.


Well, let's look at that another way. Did Linda Rambis get hired by the Lakers BECAUSE of the Lakers relationship with Kurt Rambis? Rambis has been with the team as a player and an assistance coach before Linda ever came on board. So why are we assuming Kurt's coming back on board is because of Linda?


This is wrong. We hired Linda way before Kurt became an asst coach for Phil.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:01 am    Post subject:

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Mike Dunleavy and Randy Pfund have quietly exited out the back.


I actually did see complaining about Dunleavy on here when he interviewed for the job in 2012. I certainly don’t reminder anyone being excited about him.

Not sure how people feel about Pfund.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:18 am    Post subject:

JerryMagicKobe wrote:
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Most former Laker coaches are disliked by fans. Rambis and Mike Brown seem to get the most hate. Byron Scott, Mike D’Antoni and Del Harris weren’t liked either.

Riley and Phil won multiple rings so it’s different for them.

Fans like coaches who win.
As a young man my basketball idol was B Scott. I copied his free throw and pretty much everything he did.
He was a horrible coach for us. Wish he wasn’t and totally rooted for him but he was given an opportunity and he bleeped the bed.
Magic was the best basketball player I had ever seen. I went to his camp and wore his shoes and have a very sentimental item from the day he announced his retirement. And I’m not very sentimental.
He was a horrible PoBO for us. Wish he wasn’t and totally rooted for him but he was given an opportunity and he bleeped the bed.
Rambis was Superman and Clark Kent simultaneously. Tough and beloved.Seriously, who doesn’t like the guy?
He was a horrible coach. Wish he wasn’t and totally rooted for him but he was given an opportunity and he bleeped the bed.

So, can we maybe raise the bar to those who didn’t just bleep the bed?


Agreed on Scott being horrible. I thought it was embarrassing honestly.

Rambis stunk it up in Minnesota.

1999 was a weird year for Rambis though. He had no training camp, barely coached for more than half a season and how many practices did they run in that 50 game season? There were also some major disruptions. The team traded Eddie Jones and Elden Campbell for Glen Rice and JR Reid when it was playing its best basketball of the season. It took a while to adjust. Rodman joined the team, took a vacation and eventually got kicked off the team. With all those distractions (and a coaching change early in the season) it’s no wonder why that team struggled. At first it looked like the team would bring Rambis back before the idea of Phil coaching the team came up.

Rambis looked pretty bad in the Spurs series though. I was shocked the team didn’t win a single game in that series.
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So, can we maybe raise the bar to those who didn’t just bleep the bed?


This is my issue.

Using "but he's better than Magic" is the lowest bar imaginable.

We should be tapping into a non-salary cap restricted resource, the human resources side. I hope we seriously consider a POBO of magnitude in the years to come. Would love Ujiri when he's a free agent b/c he has close ties to Giannis for example.

Heck, they paid Magic $10m/year to basically work once a month. It's not like they don't have the financial resources to be competitive.
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So the basis for all of this is Pincus claiming that an unnamed executive from another team referred to Rambis as a “shadow president”? And that he, along with Pelinka, was involved in hiring the new coaching staff? To say that this is thin is a understatement.
Pretty sure Pincus didn't ghost write the reports from Ohm Youngmisuk, Dave McMenamin and Adrian Wojnarowski among others.


I'm honestly not sure what you are trying to say here. Pincus is not a reporter. He's a glorified blogger. I rarely read his stuff because he usually has nothing to say that has not already been covered by the real media and by the posters on this board. A few years ago, he actually did some reporting, and I paid more attention to him. Today, he's just another blogger trying to be an analyst even though he has no qualifications. If you throw the proverbial rock down the street, you'll hit a hundred bloggers just like him.

Having said that, I have no reason to doubt that he talked to some executive from another team who referred to Rambis as a "shadow president." So what? An executive from another team would have no idea what is going on in the Lakers' front office.

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Aeneas Hunter wrote:
If Jeanie wanted to make Rambis the PoBO, she could just do it. There are no effective checks on Jeanie. People on message boards would moan about it, but collectively we are a bunch of moaners anyway. Or she could make him the interim PoBO, or whatever she wants. But she hasn’t done any of those things, and there have been no indications that Rambis is doing anything other than what you would expect a senior basketball advisor to do.
Right, despite being one of the worst coaches in the history of the NBA, Kurt was singled out and hand selected to play a crucial role in hiring the Lakers Head Coach, but at least he isn't the President of Basketball Operations.


The fixation with his coaching record is silly, and others have responded to that. But now you are telling us that he was "hand selected" to play a "crucial role" in hiring the head coach. Nonsense. The facts are that he worked with Pelinka in the coaching search. The rest is just the weird Rambis-phobia that seems to afflict some of you.
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So the basis for all of this is Pincus claiming that an unnamed executive from another team referred to Rambis as a “shadow president”? And that he, along with Pelinka, was involved in hiring the new coaching staff? To say that this is thin is a understatement.
Pretty sure Pincus didn't ghost write the reports from Ohm Youngmisuk, Dave McMenamin and Adrian Wojnarowski among others.


I'm honestly not sure what you are trying to say here. Pincus is not a reporter. He's a glorified blogger. I rarely read his stuff because he usually has nothing to say that has not already been covered by the real media and by the posters on this board. A few years ago, he actually did some reporting, and I paid more attention to him. Today, he's just another blogger trying to be an analyst even though he has no qualifications. If you throw the proverbial rock down the street, you'll hit a hundred bloggers just like him.

Having said that, I have no reason to doubt that he talked to some executive from another team who referred to Rambis as a "shadow president." So what? An executive from another team would have no idea what is going on in the Lakers' front office.

JerryMagicKobe wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
If Jeanie wanted to make Rambis the PoBO, she could just do it. There are no effective checks on Jeanie. People on message boards would moan about it, but collectively we are a bunch of moaners anyway. Or she could make him the interim PoBO, or whatever she wants. But she hasn’t done any of those things, and there have been no indications that Rambis is doing anything other than what you would expect a senior basketball advisor to do.
Right, despite being one of the worst coaches in the history of the NBA, Kurt was singled out and hand selected to play a crucial role in hiring the Lakers Head Coach, but at least he isn't the President of Basketball Operations.


The fixation with his coaching record is silly, and others have responded to that. But now you are telling us that he was "hand selected" to play a "crucial role" in hiring the head coach. Nonsense. The facts are that he worked with Pelinka in the coaching search. The rest is just the weird Rambis-phobia that seems to afflict some of you.


Execs from other teams are the ones actually communicating with the Lakers FO. If they're hearing Kurt's voice on the other end of the phone call, of if they hear Rob needs to get Kurt's approval before anything can get done, then that's a clear indicator of his rank in the front office.
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