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 Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 3:25 am Post subject: Who gave up more for “Superstar Trade”: Lakers or Clippers? |
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Who actually made a better trade:
The Lakers deal for Davis, or the Clippers deal for George?
Obviously, the Clippers did what they had to do to also land Kawhi, but I think the Lakers definitely acquired a better talent in Davis.
Not sure the Clippers love this deal for George long-term.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 3:29 am Post subject: Re: Who gave up more for “Superstar Trade”: Lakers or Clippers? |
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| UKUGA wrote: | Who actually made a better trade:
The Lakers deal for Davis, or the Clippers deal for George?
Obviously, the Clippers did what they had to do to also land Kawhi, but I think the Lakers definitely acquired a better talent in Davis.
Not sure the Clippers love this deal for George long-term. |
getting rid of ball and his ft shooting with his father is a huge win, we were last in the league for ft shooting
Ingram seemed inconsistent but I'm certain hell have a solid career
Anthony Davis is arguably top 2 in the nba with Lebron James, the trade was great since we kept kuzma
all the clippers got was a back stabbing snake, I hope he crumbles, I'm very annoyed |
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Clippers made a better deal.
They did what they did because they have talent and depth to surround their 2 stars.
We traded everything for 1 player, to team him up with a 35 year old in decline, and no depth or supporting cast.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 3:33 am Post subject: Re: Who gave up more for “Superstar Trade”: Lakers or Clippers? |
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| DaGreat81 wrote: | | UKUGA wrote: | Who actually made a better trade:
The Lakers deal for Davis, or the Clippers deal for George?
Obviously, the Clippers did what they had to do to also land Kawhi, but I think the Lakers definitely acquired a better talent in Davis.
Not sure the Clippers love this deal for George long-term. |
getting rid of ball and his ft shooting with his father is a huge win, we were last in the league for ft shooting
Ingram seemed inconsistent but I'm certain hell have a solid career
Anthony Davis is arguably top 2 in the nba with Lebron James, the trade was great since we kept kuzma
all the clippers got was a back stabbing snake, I hope he crumbles, I'm very annoyed |
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| The clippers, no doubt. I don't like that we kept Kuzma o we BI, but I could be wrong, because it remains to be seen. If we sign Stanley Johnson, I'll be happy. I digress though, clippers gave up more. I could say us more than the clippers, since we gave up good free agents waiting on Kawhi, but I'm a say clippers. |
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| TheKobeFactor wrote: | Clippers made a better deal.
They did what they did because they have talent and depth to surround their 2 stars.
We traded everything for 1 player, to team him up with a 35 year old in decline, and no depth or supporting cast. |
tell me who is the clippers supporting cast? lol, Lou Williams? 6th man iso ball hog volume shooter? we traded him for a good reason |
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| TheKobeFactor wrote: | Clippers made a better deal.
They did what they did because they have talent and depth to surround their 2 stars.
We traded everything for 1 player, to team him up with a 35 year old in decline, and no depth or supporting cast. |
Here's my question:
Could they have acquired Davis (for this pack of assets) instead?
If so, I think they sign Kawhi and are in much better shape today.
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it's disingenuous to look at this as a just-for-PG transaction
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Both overpaid. But the PG13 still has three years (PO) on his contract and the trade was essential for KL to commit so basically they trade 4 picks and 1 prospect for PG13 and KL. They already won the trade.
We, on the other hand, had to trade more young players in order to squeeze that extra cap space for a max contract. We still need to worry about AD leaves next season. |
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | it's disingenuous to look at this as a just-for-PG transaction |
I'm not looking at it as just a PG transaction.
My question is also about: could the Clippers have gotten AD for the same package of assets?
If so, I think they would be much better off today.
They did what they needed to get Kawhi, and congrats to them for that, but at the end of the day, I'm not certain how a player like SGA went from being "untouchable" in a deal for AD, to being shipped out for Paul George.
When the dust settles, I think the Clippers may not love this deal long-term.
It's unfortunate for the Lakers, yes, that they took a big swing, and STILL could not get a big time FA to sign on the line, but I still think they walk out of here with perhaps the best asset for next year, and long-term.
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The Clippers gave up what they did, knowing they have Kawhi and George locked in for a few seasons.
The Lakers gave up everything and are risking it all on one season.
The Lakers gave up more, and are taking a much larger risk with a much lower outcome.
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | Both overpaid. But the PG13 still has three years (PO) on his contract and the trade was essential for KL to commit so basically they trade 4 picks and 1 prospect for PG13 and KL. They already won the trade.
We, on the other hand, had to trade more young players in order to squeeze that extra cap space for a max contract. We still need to worry about AD leaves next season. |
That's a good post.
I think AD stays; but yes, we have to consider that.
I also remember, though, that a lot of Lakers fans didn't want to open the trade vault for PG, not simply because he was "going to sign with the Lakers anyway", but also because they didn't necessarily think he was "that good".
That was over a year ago, and before he had a major shoulder surgery.
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| We gave up less for a better player in AD |
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| MJST wrote: | The Clippers gave up what they did, knowing they have Kawhi and George locked in for a few seasons.
The Lakers gave up everything and are risking it all on one season.
The Lakers gave up more, and are taking a much larger risk with a much lower outcome. |
You are at least part right.
We have yet to see the "entire" outcome yet.
If we struggle, and AD walks, we hit reset, and it all looks really bad.
If acquiring George meant that Kawhi signed, I have to believe that acquiring AD would also lock in Kawhi.
I may be wrong.
I still think if the Clippers knew what they would ultimately have to do, they would have traded for AD.
I'd rather have AD/Kawhi than Kawhi/George.
That said, Kawhi/George happened, while AD/Kawhi didn't.
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| JZIANNE wrote: | | We gave up less for a better player in AD |
Yes.
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you can't look at it in a vacuum. Clippers traded for 2 superstars for all intents and purposes, they got both KL and PG for those picks
they made the better trade
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| What does the Clippers cap space look like for next summer? My worst nightmare would be AD signing with them next year. |
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| Ryan1973 wrote: | | What does the Clippers cap space look like for next summer? My worst nightmare would be AD signing with them next year. |
We probably shouldn't doubt The Logo.
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Also, Salary Cap in 2020-2021 is expected to be 117M.
I don't doubt that the Clippers could clear cap for a 3rd.
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[quote="kobetimeeverytime"]Clippers traded for 2 superstars for all intents and purposes
they made the better trade[/quote
That's definitely why they made the trade.
But I'm not convinced they got the best superstar they could've gotten with that package had they acted more quickly.
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| MJST wrote: | Also, Salary Cap in 2020-2021 is expected to be 117M.
I don't doubt that the Clippers could clear cap for a 3rd. |
Teams always seem to be able to clear cap room when they want it.
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| MJST wrote: | Also, Salary Cap in 2020-2021 is expected to be 117M.
I don't doubt that the Clippers could clear cap for a 3rd. |
The thing is AD tried to recruit KL and he turned his back on AD. And then you are saying AD would join KL’s team next season? Seems a bit odd |
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Also, Salary Cap in 2020-2021 is expected to be 117M.
I don't doubt that the Clippers could clear cap for a 3rd. |
The thing is AD tried to recruit KL and he turned his back on AD. And then you are saying AD would join KL’s team next season? Seems a bit odd |
They recruited Kawhi and got told no.
If the Lakers prove Kawhi's decision to be the correct one, AD is gonna say "Yeah not staying in another New Orleans situation" and he'll see what the Clippers have done, and likely opening up a max slot for him as well.
How the FO is run is a big selling point, if one has proven capable, and the other incapable, that is a selling point as well.
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| UKUGA wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | it's disingenuous to look at this as a just-for-PG transaction |
I'm not looking at it as just a PG transaction.
My question is also about: could the Clippers have gotten AD for the same package of assets?
If so, I think they would be much better off today.
They did what they needed to get Kawhi, and congrats to them for that, but at the end of the day, I'm not certain how a player like SGA went from being "untouchable" in a deal for AD, to being shipped out for Paul George.
When the dust settles, I think the Clippers may not love this deal long-term.
It's unfortunate for the Lakers, yes, that they took a big swing, and STILL could not get a big time FA to sign on the line, but I still think they walk out of here with perhaps the best asset for next year, and long-term. |
well that's an interesting point
I think it's safe to say the pels would have accepted this Clips package for AD
but it's still too much of a hindsight 20/20 thing
Clips would not have traded that package for AD without knowing for sure Kawhi would also be joining. So there's that, plus maybe Kawhi specifically wanted to play with PG (and perhaps would explicitly not want to play with AD for whatever reason) as well
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | UKUGA wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | it's disingenuous to look at this as a just-for-PG transaction |
I'm not looking at it as just a PG transaction.
My question is also about: could the Clippers have gotten AD for the same package of assets?
If so, I think they would be much better off today.
They did what they needed to get Kawhi, and congrats to them for that, but at the end of the day, I'm not certain how a player like SGA went from being "untouchable" in a deal for AD, to being shipped out for Paul George.
When the dust settles, I think the Clippers may not love this deal long-term.
It's unfortunate for the Lakers, yes, that they took a big swing, and STILL could not get a big time FA to sign on the line, but I still think they walk out of here with perhaps the best asset for next year, and long-term. |
well that's an interesting point
I think it's safe to say the pels would have accepted this Clips package for AD
but it's still too much of a hindsight 20/20 thing
Clips would not have traded that package for AD without knowing for sure Kawhi would also be joining. So there's that, plus maybe Kawhi specifically wanted to play with PG (and perhaps would explicitly not want to play with AD for whatever reason) as well |
All fair points.
Personally, I think AD is phenomenal, but I'm not sold on Paul George's declining game.
I give the Clippers credit for doing what they had to do, but I think they could've done better.
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