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Outspoken
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 2:28 pm Post subject:

Day wrote:

Outspoken wrote:

Stumpy25 wrote:

Outspoken wrote:

I'm willing to give Rob Benefit of the doubt. He wasn't telling the truth when he said president of basketball ops were created by Jeanie for Magic. That's far from the truth.

How do you know that? Are you part of that inner group within the Lakers' management or is this just hearsay?

Jim Buss was president of Basketball Ops before.

He was Vice President of Basketball Operations, we never had a single POBO.

Magic took the place of Jim Buss, as Jeanie stated. Rob took the place of Mitch.

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 2:31 pm Post subject:

Day wrote:

What skill sets do representing and managing a player and representing and managing a team have that are exclusive of one another? I'd say there are many common skill sets required for both.

Also I wouldn't equate my degree and education in terms of teaching to his being an agent in terms of being GM. He has a much more impressive resume going for a GM than I would going for a position at Harvard.

The biggest one is managing a team requiring a different mindset compared to managing a player.

Managing a player effectively is primarily driven by financial reasons.

Managing a team effectively is primarily driven by the competitive success around the game.

You can have success as an agent without knowing too much about basketball. If an agent get his players paid then he's done his job. However, most players will get paid based on their work rather than an agent's.

You can't say the same for a GM/Pobo. Understanding how to construct a successful basketball team requires a specific type of knowledge/mindset not easily replicated in other basketball-related activities. It's why many former coaches/players failed in such a role despite the basketball knowledge they gained from their previous positions.

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 2:32 pm Post subject:

Outspoken wrote:

Day wrote:

Outspoken wrote:

Stumpy25 wrote:

Outspoken wrote:

I'm willing to give Rob Benefit of the doubt. He wasn't telling the truth when he said president of basketball ops were created by Jeanie for Magic. That's far from the truth.

How do you know that? Are you part of that inner group within the Lakers' management or is this just hearsay?

Jim Buss was president of Basketball Ops before.

He was Vice President of Basketball Operations, we never had a single POBO.

Magic took the place of Jim Buss, as Jeanie stated. Rob took the place of Mitch.

It's such a stupid argument and thing to nitpick Rob for saying. Technically the position was created for Magic as we've never had a POBO before. The title itself, the actual title he held had never been held by anyone in our organization before.

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 2:32 pm Post subject:

Don Draper wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

Pelinka said the 2 years he's worked with Magic are some of the greatest memories he's had in sports.

Says he is saddened and disheartened by Magic's comments

Oh, come on.

Pelinka said the 2 years he's worked with Magic are some of the greatest memories he's had in sports. Says he is saddened and disheartened by Magic's comments.

My reaction: Oh, come on.

I'm trying to understand your reaction and what you are reacting to, because neither is clear... hence the question mark. It's still not clear btw.

Seems pretty straightforward. He’s scoffing at Rob’s claim that these past two years somehow constitute his “greatest” sports memories.

Hmm... I think it is pretty straight forward to most people that Rob is choosing to be professional and respectable by not responding to Magic's buffoonery and saying what he did instead. Remember these old sayings?

"When you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all."

"Don't air your dirty laundry in public."

It seems like Rob actually puts sayings like these into practise instead of simply repeating them for appearance sake... unlike Magic who likes to talk the talk but doesn't walk the walk.

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 2:39 pm Post subject:

Day wrote:

Outspoken wrote:

Day wrote:

Outspoken wrote:

Stumpy25 wrote:

Outspoken wrote:

I'm willing to give Rob Benefit of the doubt. He wasn't telling the truth when he said president of basketball ops were created by Jeanie for Magic. That's far from the truth.

How do you know that? Are you part of that inner group within the Lakers' management or is this just hearsay?

Jim Buss was president of Basketball Ops before.

He was Vice President of Basketball Operations, we never had a single POBO.

Magic took the place of Jim Buss, as Jeanie stated. Rob took the place of Mitch.

He didn't say the title, he said the position was created for magic. Even without Jeanie stating Magic took the place of Jim Buss, is the position created for Magic, if Magic is doing the exact same thing Jim Buss was doing, overseeing, and control of? That's not a created position. That's replacing one with another in that same position.

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 2:40 pm Post subject:

Day wrote:

chekmatex4 wrote:

Day wrote:

chekmatex4 wrote:

Day wrote:

ocho wrote:

Day wrote:

ocho wrote:

Day wrote:

ocho wrote:

There are lots of reasons, but primarily because he is not qualified to hold the job he has and he's there instead of somebody who is.

Why is he unqualified? He has a law degree and was one of the most prolific agents in the NBA, he understands the NBA and salary cap as well as anyone, he's been around the NBA for many years and understands the business. Why would you consider him unqualified? Because he hasn't had that specific title before? I'm asking what he's done to deserve people to want him fired when it seems he's been opposed to all of the decisions that we've been complaining about for the past 2 years.

It's not just a different title, it's an entirely different job for which he has zero experience and nobody to learn from and his former career has left him with a bad reputation amongst agents and teams he now has to deal with. Hiring him was a completely unforced error and done so because of his relationship with Jeanie. There are elite, experienced executives out there that would take the job, but instead we are running an on-the-job training program (with no trainer) during a crucial summer that is going to make or break LeBrob's time here.

If you can only hire a GM who's been a successful GM in the past you have a list of like 4 people alive. He's literally probably more qualified than any other human who hasn't done the job previously.

The league is filled with successful GMs. Go get one. There's more than 4, but who cares? Go get one of them. They didn't even try. Pelinka isn't more qualified than any other human because he isn't qualified at all. He's a rookie to this job. Zero experience and nobody to learn from.

I can't tell if you're being dense on purpose, holding a job title and doing the job isn't the only way someone can be qualified.

What are the qualifications ?
- Education? He's got a law degree
- Business experience ? He's specifically been involved with every aspect of the NBA on the business side from salary cap, player contracts, negotiations, and so on.
- Basketball experience? He play college basketball, was a part of the fab 5, and has been exclusively involved in the NBA/basketball for many years - and very successfully at that.

He's extremely qualified, qualifications are not defined exclusively by having held the job in the past. I have a masters degree and teaching credentials which makes me qualified for many teaching positions in my field even though I've never held a teaching position before. Stop conflating job experience with whether or not someone is qualified for the job itself.

This is the Lakers we are talking about, one of the most prestigious franchises in the NBA. Would you expect to have a tenured position at Harvard without a resume filled with teaching experience? Is he qualified? Possibly.

Is he the most qualified person for the job? No, because being an agent and managing a team requires different skill sets. Also, you need to have positive relationships with executives in other teams, which he reportedly does not have.

Yes, he's capable of performing the job. However, he is not the best choice. Said another way, if he was not Kobe's agent, would he have gotten the job with the Lakers? No, he would not have.

Jeanie needs to hire the best people for the jobs.

He had other clients but how is being a super successful agent for one of the greatest basketball players of all time a bad thing? That's kind of an accomplishment and the definition of success if you ask me.

You ignored the question. Would he have been considered for this job if not for his agent relationship with Kobe and does that make him the best person for the job?

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 2:41 pm Post subject:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

Pelinka said the 2 years he's worked with Magic are some of the greatest memories he's had in sports.

Says he is saddened and disheartened by Magic's comments

Oh, come on.

Pelinka said the 2 years he's worked with Magic are some of the greatest memories he's had in sports. Says he is saddened and disheartened by Magic's comments.

My reaction: Oh, come on.

I'm trying to understand your reaction and what you are reacting to, because neither is clear... hence the question mark. It's still not clear btw.

No problem. Usually I stop after one explanation. Not that important to try and further explain.

Why don't you believe him? Magic is/was a personal hero of mine and the same would be true if I got to work with him in any capacity.

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 2:50 pm Post subject:

Kava wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

Pelinka said the 2 years he's worked with Magic are some of the greatest memories he's had in sports.

Says he is saddened and disheartened by Magic's comments

Oh, come on.

Pelinka said the 2 years he's worked with Magic are some of the greatest memories he's had in sports. Says he is saddened and disheartened by Magic's comments.

My reaction: Oh, come on.

I'm trying to understand your reaction and what you are reacting to, because neither is clear... hence the question mark. It's still not clear btw.

No problem. Usually I stop after one explanation. Not that important to try and further explain.

Why don't you believe him? Magic is/was a personal hero of mine and the same would be true if I got to work with him in any capacity.

Cool.

And if he didn't come into the office for 2 years and you made a big stink about it to everyone, would you still consider that the greatest sports memories of your life?

And if he quit because he found out you were trashing his work ethics, would that make you sad and disheartened?

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 3:00 pm Post subject:

Pat Riley comments about Magic's interview, doesn't concur with Magic's distrust of Pelinka

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26788966/going-speak-mind

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Riley made it clear that though he respects Johnson's right to speak his mind, he doesn't concur with Magic's distrust of Pelinka, adding, "I've never had a problem with Rob."

"But this kind of s--- goes on in organizations every day," Riley says. "The organization gets too big, there are too many people who have been around a long time, and they start voicing their opinion about things, and that's when the culture starts to crack.

"Maybe Earvin's honesty will do something to get [the Lakers] thinking."

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 3:05 pm Post subject:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

Kava wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

Pelinka said the 2 years he's worked with Magic are some of the greatest memories he's had in sports.

Says he is saddened and disheartened by Magic's comments

Oh, come on.

Pelinka said the 2 years he's worked with Magic are some of the greatest memories he's had in sports. Says he is saddened and disheartened by Magic's comments.

My reaction: Oh, come on.

I'm trying to understand your reaction and what you are reacting to, because neither is clear... hence the question mark. It's still not clear btw.

No problem. Usually I stop after one explanation. Not that important to try and further explain.

Why don't you believe him? Magic is/was a personal hero of mine and the same would be true if I got to work with him in any capacity.

I mean, I can't speak for Rob, but I'd have to imagine that working side by side with an NBA legend is bound to spawn a few pretty good memories

Even Magic himself said the 1st year went pretty well

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 3:10 pm Post subject:

Remember that Magic called Rob a backstabber... yet, didn't blame him for all the terrible moves. Instead, he blamed Luke for all the team's ills essentially and called the decision not to fire him the turning point for when he decided to leave. Except they did fire Luke. So you have to ask yourselves... if Magic was willing to call Rob a backstabber and throw him under the bus... why didn't he blame Rob for the terrible personnel decisions and trade this season? Because it wasn't Rob who made them.

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 3:12 pm Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:

Remember that Magic called Rob a backstabber... yet, didn't blame him for all the terrible moves.

Instead, he blamed Luke for all the team's ills essentially and called the decision not to fire him the turning point for when he decided to leave.

Except they did fire Luke.

So you have to ask yourselves... if Magic was willing to call Rob a backstabber and throw him under the bus... why didn't he blame Rob for the terrible personnel decisions and trade this season?

Because it wasn't Rob who made them.

Of course, since Rob doesn’t have the final say.

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 3:18 pm Post subject:

mad55557777 wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

Of course, since Rob doesn’t have the final say.

Imagine the sheer frustration of being in the office all day and this ex superstar who waltzes in a few times a week comes in and vetoes all of your decisions.

Maybe you might vent a little by saying where is this guy, if I'm getting half the blame.

Bottom line... Magic was throwing everyone under the bus, but he didn't blame the personnel moves on others.

That means he was the one who was making all these stupid calls.

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 3:24 pm Post subject:

ocho wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

ocho wrote:

Bob Myers was hired by Golden State as an Assistant GM. He spent a year under somebody with experience (and Jerry freaking West) before being promoted to GM. Rob Pelinka has no experienced person above him to learn how to do the job. He does not have Jerry West. He's flanked by the worst coach of the modern era and Twitter porn enthusiast Kurt Rambis and Kurt's wife. Myers also came to GS with a great reputation, unlike Rob. Comparing the two is bogus.

My counter to this... Pelinka has had 1 year of experience now as THE GM instead of as an Assistant GM... and he's learned what not to do from watching who some would consider the worst POBO in the league. I'm sure he has learned well, being the over-achiever and grinder that he is. Rob isn't flying solo either... he has Phil, Kurt, Kobe, Vogel, Kidd, Ryan West and Jesse Buss' combined experiences to lean on.

So how about waiting to see what he and the rest of the FO does now instead of rehashing this convo over and over again? You're just copy/pasting old posts of yours from another thread at this point... because I can swear we've had this exact same conversation before and it's not because of a random feeling of deja vue.

I don't think his experience working for a buffoon who had no clue what he was doing and was barely there is much to hang your hat on. I'm not interested in "waiting and seeing" or using our Front Office jobs as lab experiments for unqualified novices during an extraordinarily crucial time for us. You don't wait until after a critical summer to see if the guy you hired is any good, especially when you can just go and get someone who is already good right now. Pelinka may very well end up being great at the job. Let him go discover his greatness elsewhere and if it ever happens, then hire him. In the meantime we have a team to build and it would be cool to have a professional at the helm.

You really haven't been specific at all, you just keep repeating how he's unqualified because he's never done the job. I'd like you to list out the exact duties of a GM, and why Rob is unqualified to execute those duties.

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 3:25 pm Post subject:

lakersken80 wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

Day wrote:

Well, if you're making basketball decisions, ideally you'd want someone with more basketball experience than playing with the fab 5 in college.

We're trying to win a championship here. We're trying to outwit/out-maneuver/out-draft the Jerry West's, the Bob Myers, the Danny Ainge's of the league.

The question isn't - is Pelinka qualified to handle the job? The question is - is Pelinka good enough to compete with the very best in the business?

Except Rob Pelinka's resume is just as complete as Bob Myers....Bob Myers was a role player on the UCLA basketball team in the 90's, the same one that won an NCAA championship. Hell, we even have some people in the front offices around the NBA who have zero basketball experience and they are solely there because of analytics. Just because somebody has played in the NBA and was a superstar doesn't mean they are a great talent evaluator or manager of people, see Isiah Thomas or Michael Jordan for examples.

Difference with Bob Myers, he was an Assistant GM who was mentored by Jerry West
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 3:26 pm Post subject:

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You really haven't been specific at all, you just keep repeating how he's unqualified because he's never done the job.

Sounds pretty specific.
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 3:27 pm Post subject:

IceInMyVeins01 wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

Kava wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

Pelinka said the 2 years he's worked with Magic are some of the greatest memories he's had in sports.

Says he is saddened and disheartened by Magic's comments

Oh, come on.

Pelinka said the 2 years he's worked with Magic are some of the greatest memories he's had in sports. Says he is saddened and disheartened by Magic's comments.

My reaction: Oh, come on.

I'm trying to understand your reaction and what you are reacting to, because neither is clear... hence the question mark. It's still not clear btw.

No problem. Usually I stop after one explanation. Not that important to try and further explain.

Why don't you believe him? Magic is/was a personal hero of mine and the same would be true if I got to work with him in any capacity.

I mean, I can't speak for Rob, but I'd have to imagine that working side by side with an NBA legend is bound to spawn a few pretty good memories

Even Magic himself said the 1st year went pretty well

Nah, he called it the greatest sports memories of his life. Not just a few good memories.

This is a dude he trashed to everyone.

This guy was Kobe's agent for 20 years? And the greatest sports memories he has in his life were the 2 years he worked with Magic, a person who he trashed for 2 straight years?

And that's believable to you?

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 3:29 pm Post subject:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

Kava wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

Pelinka said the 2 years he's worked with Magic are some of the greatest memories he's had in sports.

Says he is saddened and disheartened by Magic's comments

Oh, come on.

Pelinka said the 2 years he's worked with Magic are some of the greatest memories he's had in sports. Says he is saddened and disheartened by Magic's comments.

My reaction: Oh, come on.

I'm trying to understand your reaction and what you are reacting to, because neither is clear... hence the question mark. It's still not clear btw.

No problem. Usually I stop after one explanation. Not that important to try and further explain.

Why don't you believe him? Magic is/was a personal hero of mine and the same would be true if I got to work with him in any capacity.

Rob and Magic were pretty inseparable when they first started this gig. Preaching bf% and excellence and all that bs...

My point is I think it was this past year when Magic stopped showing up so much. Especially when the moves he was making were crashing and burning. (Do you know we need around Lebron? Play makers is it? Good one Magic!!!)

But ya, in that first year they spoke multiple times a day, worked out together, and probably shared some cool moments. Certainly plausible that Rob, being a fan of his, appreciates that time with him.

I applaud the way Rob is handling the situation - can't be easy having your name drug through the mud by people that want to control the narrative.

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 3:39 pm Post subject:

trablos wrote:

ocho wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

ocho wrote:

The relevant question isn't if he's qualified or unqualified. Being qualified just means meeting the minimum requirements to get the job.

The relevant question is - can he overcome his lack of GM experience to do a great job right now?

We need Pelinka to be great right now. If he turns out great, then we lucked out. It's hard to be great at something with so little experience. It's rare.

Maybe Pelinka is the exception to the rule. We can only hope.

The only way we can get back to contention is if Pelinka turns out to be a great GM.

1) He has to hit a HR with his hire of Vogel
2) He has to hit a HR with his draft picks
3) He has to hit a HR with free agency
4) He has to hit a HR with trades
5) He has to be right with his vision on how to build the team
6) He has to be right on what type of offensive and defensive system we're going to run
7) He has to be right on what we're going to do with the youngters (sign them, trade them?)

That's alot to deal with for an experienced GM; even moreso for an inexperienced one.

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 3:40 pm Post subject:

Probably because he's a GM that everyone in the league despises and the only reason he has a job here is because dimwit Jeanie can't say no to Kobe.

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 3:44 pm Post subject:

Kava wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

Kava wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

Pelinka said the 2 years he's worked with Magic are some of the greatest memories he's had in sports.

Says he is saddened and disheartened by Magic's comments

Oh, come on.

Pelinka said the 2 years he's worked with Magic are some of the greatest memories he's had in sports. Says he is saddened and disheartened by Magic's comments.

My reaction: Oh, come on.

I'm trying to understand your reaction and what you are reacting to, because neither is clear... hence the question mark. It's still not clear btw.

No problem. Usually I stop after one explanation. Not that important to try and further explain.

Why don't you believe him? Magic is/was a personal hero of mine and the same would be true if I got to work with him in any capacity.

1) Well, it's either true or it's not true. If what Magic's saying is true, then there's no dragging anyone's name through the mud. Magic's just being honest.

2) If Rob's greatest memories in sports are getting to work out with Magic, then I don't know what to say. You make him seem like a groupie.

But if those are in fact his greatest memories, it doesn't add up that Pelinka would constantly trash Magic like that. I mean, Magic said he heard it internally, then he heard it externally. So, it's like Pelinka was telling everyone how Magic doesn't come to work.

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 3:47 pm Post subject:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

Kava wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

Kava wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

LongBeachPoly wrote:

Pelinka said the 2 years he's worked with Magic are some of the greatest memories he's had in sports.

Says he is saddened and disheartened by Magic's comments

Oh, come on.

Pelinka said the 2 years he's worked with Magic are some of the greatest memories he's had in sports. Says he is saddened and disheartened by Magic's comments.

My reaction: Oh, come on.

I'm trying to understand your reaction and what you are reacting to, because neither is clear... hence the question mark. It's still not clear btw.

No problem. Usually I stop after one explanation. Not that important to try and further explain.

Why don't you believe him? Magic is/was a personal hero of mine and the same would be true if I got to work with him in any capacity.

Maybe if Magic was at work he wouldn't have heard it at all.
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 3:48 pm Post subject:

Cuz hes ugly Rob Lowe

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 3:49 pm Post subject:

The OP is exactly correct. Getting rid of Magic is the best thing that has happened to the Lakers since the traded for Kobe Bryant. I can still hear him talking about putting playmakers around LeBron and thinking that nobody could really be that stupid. And now we know the rest of the story.

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 3:50 pm Post subject:

nobody is upset at Rob for anything in particular... I think it's more about not trusting he's the right guy for the job like Jeanie seems to think he is. I'm even more concerned that Jeanie is the ultimate decision maker about basketball stuff because we all know that means Phil, Kurt, Linda, Jesse, Joey, and Tim Harris are all giving her advice- where it should be like NO is setting up: Griffin is in decision maker and Langdon and he work together on everything put to the time to pull the trigger.

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