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| Worst post-Phil coach? |
| Mike Brown |
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11% |
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| Mike D'Antoni |
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15% |
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| Byron Scott |
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64% |
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| Luke Walton |
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7% |
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| Vancouver Fan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | MDA
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This. MDA & Luke in the wrong place @ the wrong time....
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| Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:23 am Post subject: Re: Rank the post-Phil coaches from best to worst: Brown, D'Antoni, Scott, Walton |
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| CandyCanes wrote: | From best to worst:
1) D'Antoni-- An elite coach who overachieved in both seasons despite not being given a roster that fit his style of coaching. Current top 5 if not top 3 coach in the league.
2) Mike Brown-- Below average, but at least basically had the right idea of playing a grind-it-out style against OKC in the playoffs that year. Team was just outmatched and didn't have a decent PG.
3) Luke Walton-- No comment.
4) Byron Scott- Had absolutely no idea what he was doing; isn't not even fit to be an assistant coach.
For fun, where would Tomjanovich, Del Harris, Mike Dunleavy, and Kurt Rambis fall in this hierarchy? |
I agree.
MDA with this current squad would be great. With what he had at the time, not so great.
Brown is a very good defensive-minded coach who needed a good offensive-minded assistant.
Luke was a victim of circumstance. Jury is out on how good this team could have been this year due to injuries so can't say if he's good or bad, IMHO.
Byron Scott was/is a dinosaur who needed to be put out of his misery. Worst coaching hire since Rudy T. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Rank the post-Phil coaches from best to worst: Brown, D'Antoni, Scott, Walton |
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| GameCock-MD wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | From best to worst:
1) D'Antoni-- An elite coach who overachieved in both seasons despite not being given a roster that fit his style of coaching. Current top 5 if not top 3 coach in the league.
2) Mike Brown-- Below average, but at least basically had the right idea of playing a grind-it-out style against OKC in the playoffs that year. Team was just outmatched and didn't have a decent PG.
3) Luke Walton-- No comment.
4) Byron Scott- Had absolutely no idea what he was doing; isn't not even fit to be an assistant coach.
For fun, where would Tomjanovich, Del Harris, Mike Dunleavy, and Kurt Rambis fall in this hierarchy? |
I agree.
MDA with this current squad would be great. With what he had at the time, not so great.
Brown is a very good defensive-minded coach who needed a good offensive-minded assistant.
Luke was a victim of circumstance. Jury is out on how good this team could have been this year due to injuries so can't say if he's good or bad, IMHO.
Byron Scott was/is a dinosaur who needed to be put out of his misery. Worst coaching hire since Rudy T. |
The myth that MDA would be great with this roster baffles me. No shooters, too many guys who need the ball and LeBron. It would be LeBron ball without the shooters. Our two best young guys don’t fit an MDA system. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:55 am Post subject: |
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MDA. Killed both Kobe’s and Pau’s careers and Lakers in different ways.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: Rank the post-Phil coaches from best to worst: Brown, D'Antoni, Scott, Walton |
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| GameCock-MD wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | From best to worst:
1) D'Antoni-- An elite coach who overachieved in both seasons despite not being given a roster that fit his style of coaching. Current top 5 if not top 3 coach in the league.
2) Mike Brown-- Below average, but at least basically had the right idea of playing a grind-it-out style against OKC in the playoffs that year. Team was just outmatched and didn't have a decent PG.
3) Luke Walton-- No comment.
4) Byron Scott- Had absolutely no idea what he was doing; isn't not even fit to be an assistant coach.
For fun, where would Tomjanovich, Del Harris, Mike Dunleavy, and Kurt Rambis fall in this hierarchy? |
I agree.
MDA with this current squad would be great. With what he had at the time, not so great.
Brown is a very good defensive-minded coach who needed a good offensive-minded assistant.
Luke was a victim of circumstance. Jury is out on how good this team could have been this year due to injuries so can't say if he's good or bad, IMHO.
Byron Scott was/is a dinosaur who needed to be put out of his misery. Worst coaching hire since Rudy T. |
The reason they failed is that Jimbo and Mitch failed to match coach's styles of play with the kind of players they had. MDA was a failure because he had old players that got ran off the court every night defensively and couldn't run his famous 7 second offense while at same time trying to please Nash who was like 80 years old.
They hooked him up with a all star center whom he did not like because he did not shoot the three ball.
After that the mess up poor Byron Scott who was known to be a coach that was used to vet players and gave him a bunch of millenial misfits. Byron was dealt the worst deal of all he was there basically to baby sit, and give Kobe his best last two years.
Mr Potato head was another horrible first hire, a defensive coach who had top players but wanted to run the famous Princeton offense because he didn't know anything else but LeBron ball. Talk about two clowns running the front office that destroyed this team for 5 years. I'll take Jeanne and Rob any day, at least we still have a superstar that puts us on the planet again. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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Best - MDA
2nd - Walton
3rd - Brown
WAY WAY WAY WAY DOWN THERE (Possibly Worst Coach at any level of Bball and possibly Worst Person to Coach)
Byron Scott
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| Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Rank the post-Phil coaches from best to worst: Brown, D'Antoni, Scott, Walton |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | From best to worst:
1) D'Antoni-- An elite coach who overachieved in both seasons despite not being given a roster that fit his style of coaching. Current top 5 if not top 3 coach in the league.
2) Mike Brown-- Below average, but at least basically had the right idea of playing a grind-it-out style against OKC in the playoffs that year. Team was just outmatched and didn't have a decent PG.
3) Luke Walton-- No comment.
4) Byron Scott- Had absolutely no idea what he was doing; isn't not even fit to be an assistant coach.
For fun, where would Tomjanovich, Del Harris, Mike Dunleavy, and Kurt Rambis fall in this hierarchy? |
You drastically overvalue D’Antoni. |
He's comparing him to Brown, Walton, and Scott
Not Popovich, Daly, and Auerbach. |
He is judging him against Pop. Claimed he’s top 5 if not top 3 coach in the league. He is neither. Also claimed he overachieved in both years which is also incorrect. |
His style has revolutionized the game, and that cannot be minimized.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: Rank the post-Phil coaches from best to worst: Brown, D'Antoni, Scott, Walton |
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| foshowtime wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | From best to worst:
1) D'Antoni-- An elite coach who overachieved in both seasons despite not being given a roster that fit his style of coaching. Current top 5 if not top 3 coach in the league.
2) Mike Brown-- Below average, but at least basically had the right idea of playing a grind-it-out style against OKC in the playoffs that year. Team was just outmatched and didn't have a decent PG.
3) Luke Walton-- No comment.
4) Byron Scott- Had absolutely no idea what he was doing; isn't not even fit to be an assistant coach.
For fun, where would Tomjanovich, Del Harris, Mike Dunleavy, and Kurt Rambis fall in this hierarchy? |
You drastically overvalue D’Antoni. |
He's comparing him to Brown, Walton, and Scott
Not Popovich, Daly, and Auerbach. |
He is judging him against Pop. Claimed he’s top 5 if not top 3 coach in the league. He is neither. Also claimed he overachieved in both years which is also incorrect. |
His style has revolutionized the game, and that cannot be minimized. |
It can be and it will be gawdammit
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| kikanga wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | MDA.
Right coach, wrong time period and definitely the wrong personnel.
Ironic b/c Pau bristled at launching 3s and now he does that without hesitation. |
Pau wasn't the only big man who didn't like MDA. And Kobe pretty much abandoned MDA's "system" to get us into the playoffs.
Not to mention how MDA literally played Kobe till he tore his achilles. People give Thibs (bleep) for running people into the ground. As far as I'm concerned MDA broke Kobe.
But he would've been a great coach for DLO. |
I think a big fit well with MDA, but the problem was playing two bigs.
Kobe didnt abandon the system, but he became the PG in his system.
The PG in MDA's system goes crazy (i.e. Harden)
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| Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: Rank the post-Phil coaches from best to worst: Brown, D'Antoni, Scott, Walton |
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| foshowtime wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | From best to worst:
1) D'Antoni-- An elite coach who overachieved in both seasons despite not being given a roster that fit his style of coaching. Current top 5 if not top 3 coach in the league.
2) Mike Brown-- Below average, but at least basically had the right idea of playing a grind-it-out style against OKC in the playoffs that year. Team was just outmatched and didn't have a decent PG.
3) Luke Walton-- No comment.
4) Byron Scott- Had absolutely no idea what he was doing; isn't not even fit to be an assistant coach.
For fun, where would Tomjanovich, Del Harris, Mike Dunleavy, and Kurt Rambis fall in this hierarchy? |
You drastically overvalue D’Antoni. |
He's comparing him to Brown, Walton, and Scott
Not Popovich, Daly, and Auerbach. |
He is judging him against Pop. Claimed he’s top 5 if not top 3 coach in the league. He is neither. Also claimed he overachieved in both years which is also incorrect. |
His style has revolutionized the game, and that cannot be minimized. |
Who cares if he can’t adapt it to his rosters and win? He’s had some good teams and some bad ones. Even when paired with a GM who is trying to develop the perfect roster for his system he can’t get to the finals. He’s proven time and time again that he’s incredibly limited as a coach while being able to have some success with an ideal roster.
I agree that aspects of his system are seen throughout the league but that doesn’t make him a good coach. Other superior coaches have taken aspects of his offense and have been able to tweak them to fit their rosters and implement them for significantly more success.
You can have the coach who revolutionized the game, I’ll take the coach who uses aspects of his offense and various others to have sustained success with a variety of roster types and win rings. |
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