Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:51 am Post subject: Re: KCP nixes a deal that would have sent him and Michael Beasley to Chicago in exchange for Jabari Parker
Big Game James wrote:
KCP nixes a deal that would have sent him and Michael Beasley to Chicago in exchange for Jabari Parker.
Quote:
The Los Angeles Lakers reportedly reached a tentative agreement to send Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Michael Beasley to the Chicago Bulls in exchange for Jabari Parker ahead of the trade deadline, but KCP never approved the deal.
On Tuesday, Bill Oram of The Athletic reported the Bulls waited three days from Jan. 25 through Jan. 28 but decided to move on after Caldwell-Pope didn't provide an answer and the Lakers switched their main focus to the New Orleans Pelicans' Anthony Davis.
Just consider the ramifications of this. Sending Beasley in this package would have avoided us trading away Zubac since apparently we did that trade just to get rid of Beasley. Plus we might have avoided the Anthony Davis fiasco since there is a chance we might not have "switched our focus" on to him. Finally, the publicity hit this organization took from the AD circus might not only allowed us to make the playoffs since the team would not have mentally checked out, but it might also have made Los Angeles a more appealing destination during free agency.
KCP might very well have ruined this franchise single-handedly with this move!
I think you are wrong.
1. The Lakers were talking with the Bulls from Jan. 25, and on Jan. 28th AD requested a trade out of New Orleans. Even if we had made the Jabari deal, I don't see why that would have affected our efforts to go after AD. I don't think one deal had any impact on the other.
2. We didn't trade Zubac to get rid of Beasley. Beasley was on an expiring contract and if it was just a matter of getting rid of him we could have just waived him. (Which is what the Clippers did right after the trade). We traded Zubac to get Muscala because we wanted three-point shooters and Magic didn't think much of him.
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:59 am Post subject:
ocho wrote:
I don't know what's worse: continuously overpaying KCP only to see him refuse to accommodate us or the fact that they saw Jabari Parker as the reinforcement they needed.
I don't know what's worse: continuously overpaying KCP only to see him refuse to accommodate us or the fact that they saw Jabari Parker as the reinforcement they needed.
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:41 am Post subject: Re: KCP nixes a deal that would have sent him and Michael Beasley to Chicago in exchange for Jabari Parker
activeverb wrote:
Big Game James wrote:
KCP nixes a deal that would have sent him and Michael Beasley to Chicago in exchange for Jabari Parker.
Quote:
The Los Angeles Lakers reportedly reached a tentative agreement to send Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Michael Beasley to the Chicago Bulls in exchange for Jabari Parker ahead of the trade deadline, but KCP never approved the deal.
On Tuesday, Bill Oram of The Athletic reported the Bulls waited three days from Jan. 25 through Jan. 28 but decided to move on after Caldwell-Pope didn't provide an answer and the Lakers switched their main focus to the New Orleans Pelicans' Anthony Davis.
Just consider the ramifications of this. Sending Beasley in this package would have avoided us trading away Zubac since apparently we did that trade just to get rid of Beasley. Plus we might have avoided the Anthony Davis fiasco since there is a chance we might not have "switched our focus" on to him. Finally, the publicity hit this organization took from the AD circus might not only allowed us to make the playoffs since the team would not have mentally checked out, but it might also have made Los Angeles a more appealing destination during free agency.
KCP might very well have ruined this franchise single-handedly with this move!
I think you are wrong.
1. The Lakers were talking with the Bulls from Jan. 25, and on Jan. 28th AD requested a trade out of New Orleans. Even if we had made the Jabari deal, I don't see why that would have affected our efforts to go after AD. I don't think one deal had any impact on the other.
2. We didn't trade Zubac to get rid of Beasley. Beasley was on an expiring contract and if it was just a matter of getting rid of him we could have just waived him. (Which is what the Clippers did right after the trade). We traded Zubac to get Muscala because we wanted three-point shooters and Magic didn't think much of him.
Regarding:
1) This wasn't my thinking. This was the thought from the article. I feel we still would have gone after AD. It was the right move then, and the right move now. The noise around it was not good though and the collusion from various NBA teams made it worse.
2) Not according to THIS report from Brad Turner. He was traded for three reasons, none of which had to do with Muscala. It was to (1) dump Beasley, (2) free up more time for McGee who grew unhappy with his minutes and (3) the growing fear from the front office that they would be unable to keep Zubac this summer. _________________ Don't make me give you a trout slap!
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:46 am Post subject: Re: KCP nixes a deal that would have sent him and Michael Beasley to Chicago in exchange for Jabari Parker
Big Game James wrote:
KCP nixes a deal that would have sent him and Michael Beasley to Chicago in exchange for Jabari Parker.
Quote:
The Los Angeles Lakers reportedly reached a tentative agreement to send Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Michael Beasley to the Chicago Bulls in exchange for Jabari Parker ahead of the trade deadline, but KCP never approved the deal.
On Tuesday, Bill Oram of The Athletic reported the Bulls waited three days from Jan. 25 through Jan. 28 but decided to move on after Caldwell-Pope didn't provide an answer and the Lakers switched their main focus to the New Orleans Pelicans' Anthony Davis.
Just consider the ramifications of this. Sending Beasley in this package would have avoided us trading away Zubac since apparently we did that trade just to get rid of Beasley. Plus we might have avoided the Anthony Davis fiasco since there is a chance we might not have "switched our focus" on to him. Finally, the publicity hit this organization took from the AD circus might not only allowed us to make the playoffs since the team would not have mentally checked out, but it might also have made Los Angeles a more appealing destination during free agency.
KCP might very well have ruined this franchise single-handedly with this move!
If the FO traded Zubac to get rid of Beasley, when they could have just released Beasley, we are in trouble. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:57 am Post subject:
Not only would we have avoided trading Zubac, but we would have gotten a former #3 pick in Parker... _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Parker would've been salary ballast in a possible Davis trade, nothing more.
15 & 7 with no defense is not worth $20 million, so no team would want him, other than as an expiring (second year is a team option).
The Lakers couldn't have fit him into their rotation without taking minutes from LeBron, Ingram, or Kuzma. Lakers were already oversized at guard and undersized up front.
Our team was still fighting for a playoff spot, KCP was still our best option against quick guards with Hart playing hurt and Ball out already. Svi probably doesn't get traded however, the one positive of this potential deal that didn't happen.
I believe Magic thought he was improving the team chemistry with Muscala over Zubac, not simply getting rid of Beasley. Is there some CBA provision that prohibits signing a player after waiving another? Perhaps the Lakers wanted to avoid going over the cap this soon, it would also explain why they didn't value Zu's RFA and Bird Rights. Possibly shines a light on their logic behind not wanting to build the team around D'Lo, who could receive 5yr/$155M this summer if I'm not mistaken? Going over the apron before having a legit championship roster may be something to avoid.
If Klutch pressures the Lakers into a pro forma no trade clause contract to sign KCP... then Klutch has some if not most of the responsibility.
There has been speculation that one of the reasons the Lakers signed KCP was to be able to speak to Lebron's agent.
At the same time, over the past two years the Lakers have chosen to sign guys to one year contracts to preserve cap space flexibility. And when you do that, you can't trade the player without his permission. The Lakers realize that. KCP can decline a trade if he wants, and there really isn't anything Klutch can do about it. Their job is to make KCP happy, not the Lakers.
Sentient Meat wrote:
Do you think we pay 12 million for KCP without Klutch's involvement?
I have no idea. I've never understood the big deal over KCP, or why Detroit offered him that huge contract he turned down. But it seems everytime he becomes a free agent, teams scramble to meet him. So my guess is KCPO doesn't think the Lakers did him a favor with the deal.
Parker would've been salary ballast in a possible Davis trade, nothing more.
The Lakers tried to get Parker before AD made his trade request; he wasn't in play yet, so I can't see how trying to get him had anything to do with AD. And Parker was no more salary ballast than KCP and Beasley, so it doesn't make sense the Lakers would trade two expiring contracts just to get another expiring contract to trade.
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: KCP nixes a deal that would have sent him and Michael Beasley to Chicago in exchange for Jabari Parker
Big Game James wrote:
2) Not according to THIS report from Brad Turner. He was traded for three reasons, none of which had to do with Muscala. It was to (1) dump Beasley, (2) free up more time for McGee who grew unhappy with his minutes and (3) the growing fear from the front office that they would be unable to keep Zubac this summer.
Brad Turner's reasoning makes no sense. He just seems to be talking out of his ass, rather than basing his opinion on anything the Lakers told him. Here's why I think he's wrong:
1. If the Lakers wanted to dump Beasley, they could have simply waived him. He was an expiring contract, so there was no reason to give up assets to get rid of him.
2. McGee's playing time didn't increase after the Zubac trade. And if they wanted to free up time for McGee, they could have sat Zubac. He already had 20 DNP-CDs this year, so the Lakers obviously had no problem sitting him.
3. I could see them trading Zubac if they didn't think they could resign him. But why would they trade him for someone they didn't want? What is the benefit of that?
So, yeah, I think Turner was just riffing about this, and saying dumb things.
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: KCP nixes a deal that would have sent him and Michael Beasley to Chicago in exchange for Jabari Parker
Big Game James wrote:
Regarding:
1) This wasn't my thinking. This was the thought from the article. I feel we still would have gone after AD. It was the right move then, and the right move now. The noise around it was not good though and the collusion from various NBA teams made it worse.
The article didn't say, or even suggest, that the Lakers wouldn't have gone after AD if they had gotten Parker.
All the article said was: "On Tuesday, Bill Oram of The Athletic reported the Bulls waited three days from Jan. 25 through Jan. 28 but decided to move on after Caldwell-Pope didn't provide an answer and the Lakers switched their main focus to the New Orleans Pelicans' Anthony Davis."
I'd say you're misinterpreting the Lakers "switched their main focus." Before the 28th, AD wasn't in play, so even if they had gotten Parker I see no reason to think they wouldn't have made the same play for AD. It's not like they were unable to contact the Pelicans while waiting for an answer from KCP.
If Klutch pressures the Lakers into a pro forma no trade clause contract to sign KCP... then Klutch has some if not most of the responsibility.
There has been speculation that one of the reasons the Lakers signed KCP was to be able to speak to Lebron's agent.
At the same time, over the past two years the Lakers have chosen to sign guys to one year contracts to preserve cap space flexibility. And when you do that, you can't trade the player without his permission. The Lakers realize that. KCP can decline a trade if he wants, and there really isn't anything Klutch can do about it. Their job is to make KCP happy, not the Lakers.
Sentient Meat wrote:
Do you think we pay 12 million for KCP without Klutch's involvement?
I have no idea. I've never understood the big deal over KCP, or why Detroit offered him that huge contract he turned down. But it seems everytime he becomes a free agent, teams scramble to meet him. So my guess is KCPO doesn't think the Lakers did him a favor with the deal.
I think Klutch is behaving fine... they are doing their job for their clients... I'm not saying Klutch is not acting in their or their players interests.
I'm annoyed that the Lakers are playing cuckolds to an agency instead of pursuing what's best for our team.
Had we come up with a more modest trade offer and the Pelicans refused, I wouldn't have a big issue with Klutch... (and yes, I get that we don't know for certain what it was) I blame management from Jeanie on down for what is happening.
I'm still annoyed because they haven't backed off this position, and I'm worried they will rinse and repeat in the summer.
But who the (bleep) is KCP? Lmao he has gotten way more money than he is worth with us. Dude should be on his knees worshipping the Lakers. Certainly should go where ever the (bleep) we want him to. Magic says jump? KCP should ask how high? _________________ Lebron James plays no defense because his fans do all the defending for him
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