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 Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:01 am Post subject: this what i'm telling anyone who still believe in our young assets and Luke Walton |
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look at the Clippers, tbh, outside of Lou Williams and Gallinari, i can't even name all their starting lineups and they traded away their best player mid-season. yet they're a middle of the pack playoff team in the west. so for all your Luke Walton and our young asset homers, think about that for a moment.
oh by the way, you can also see Indy as another example. |
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troy
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| How many injuries have the Clipper roster had? |
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| we have multiple talented young assets according to some, sure each of them have missed games, but the damn Clippers have NONE, all they got are a bunch of season vets and seldom heard rookies, and yet they're having a great season. oh by the way Lakers also have LeBron, despite his injury and other stuff, you can't deny he's having a bad season. so the differences are really come down to the head coach and overrating our young assets. |
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BigGameHames
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| Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | we have multiple talented young assets according to some, sure each of them have missed games, but the damn Clippers have NONE, all they got are a bunch of season vets and seldom heard rookies, and yet they're having a great season. oh by the way Lakers also have LeBron, despite his injury and other stuff, you can't deny he's having a bad season. so the differences are really come down to the head coach and overrating our young assets. |
I don’t totally disagree but you need to take into account that our best young asset missed almost half the year. If he stayed healthy, this season likely ends very differently. |
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At some point, you have to stop using injuries as an excuse. We have injuries every year and ours always seem to be the worst.
Every team in the league has injuries at some point during the season. Look at Toronto. Kawhi and Lowry both missed stretches during the year. Yet, they are among the top teams in the league. Why? Because of the way their roster is assembled. They are well rounded. We aren't. |
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| You can make it easier just look at the Cavs last season and now? Maginka is bottom tier for now. You can't win with Lebron its on the FO and the (bleep) signings. |
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| troy wrote: | | How many injuries have the Clipper roster had? |
Do we get to hang those up like the Clips hang up Divisional "championship" banners?
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| Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | we have multiple talented young assets according to some, sure each of them have missed games, but the damn Clippers have NONE, all they got are a bunch of season vets and seldom heard rookies, and yet they're having a great season. oh by the way Lakers also have LeBron, despite his injury and other stuff, you can't deny he's having a bad season. so the differences are really come down to the head coach and overrating our young assets. |
I don’t totally disagree but you need to take into account that our best young asset missed almost half the year. If he stayed healthy, this season likely ends very differently. |
I think this must be therapeutic for him.  |
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| quartzcharm wrote: | At some point, you have to stop using injuries as an excuse. We have injuries every year and ours always seem to be the worst.
Every team in the league has injuries at some point during the season. Look at Toronto. Kawhi and Lowry both missed stretches during the year. Yet, they are among the top teams in the league. Why? Because of the way their roster is assembled. They are well rounded. We aren't. |
agreed, i just hate the fact people here are talking about BI, Zo and Kuz like they're franchise players. well if they are, then just having one of them on the floor would've at least made this team competitive right? |
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so have we been advocating for the Clippers model? I thought it was the GSW model. Most of the guys that always want to move our young assets would have traded Steph and kept Monta Ellis, moved Klay for Kevin Love, and would not have paid Draymond to keep David Lee or sign Jared Dudley.
Steph became an All Star in Year 5 @ 25 years old.
Klay became an All Star in Year 4 @ 24 years old.
Draymond became an All Star in Year 4 @ 25 years old.
None of this happened overnight, and they had many chances to screw it up by selling early on young talent.
Lonzo Ball is in Year 2 @ 21 years old.
Brandon Ingram is in Year 3 @ 21 years old.
Kyle Kuzma is in Year 2 @ 23 years old.
Josh Hart is in Year 2 @ 23 years old. |
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| adkindo wrote: | so have we been advocating for the Clippers model? I thought it was the GSW model. Most of the guys that always want to move our young assets would have traded Steph and kept Monta Ellis, moved Klay for Kevin Love, and would not have paid Draymond to keep David Lee or sign Jared Dudley.
Steph became an All Star in Year 5 @ 25 years old.
Klay became an All Star in Year 4 @ 24 years old.
Draymond became an All Star in Year 4 @ 25 years old.
None of this happened overnight, and they had many chances to screw it up by selling early on young talent.
Lonzo Ball is in Year 2 @ 21 years old.
Brandon Ingram is in Year 3 @ 21 years old.
Kyle Kuzma is in Year 2 @ 23 years old.
Josh Hart is in Year 2 @ 23 years old. |
This laker team was on a 50 game win season base on Xmas Day. If you look at BI all on his own, what he did in that last 6 games of his, he showed a good taste of what is to come, perhaps not 28PPG as he did in that last 6 games of his, but a solid 22/23PPG next season is not out of the realm of possibility...
Then of course Bron staying healthy and giving us 75+ games, with KUZ improving on both ends, as he should, then Ball actually staying healthy and showing improvement.
Add in the 10/11th pick whom should be a player in the 8 man rotation. And a FA such as Kemba. Not counting on KD/KL/Kyrie.
I can see a 57 or so win team right there. Fighting for the top spot in the West, and a top 4 team in the NBA. |
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| adkindo wrote: | so have we been advocating for the Clippers model? I thought it was the GSW model. Most of the guys that always want to move our young assets would have traded Steph and kept Monta Ellis, moved Klay for Kevin Love, and would not have paid Draymond to keep David Lee or sign Jared Dudley.
Steph became an All Star in Year 5 @ 25 years old.
Klay became an All Star in Year 4 @ 24 years old.
Draymond became an All Star in Year 4 @ 25 years old.
None of this happened overnight, and they had many chances to screw it up by selling early on young talent.
Lonzo Ball is in Year 2 @ 21 years old.
Brandon Ingram is in Year 3 @ 21 years old.
Kyle Kuzma is in Year 2 @ 23 years old.
Josh Hart is in Year 2 @ 23 years old. |
I liked what I saw out of Steph and Klay early far more than any of the Lakers' core. Steph had amazing handles, shooting, and passing early. Klay had the shooting and defense early.
It's more than just when they made the all-star team. Several rookies this year look better than the Lakers core. De'Aaron Fox and Donovan Mitchell look better than any of the Lakers core. There are plenty of guys who have looked better through their first 3 seasons than any of the Lakers core. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:55 am Post subject: Re: this what i'm telling anyone who still believe in our young assets and Luke Walton |
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | look at the Clippers, tbh, outside of Lou Williams and Gallinari, i can't even name all their starting lineups and they traded away their best player mid-season. yet they're a middle of the pack playoff team in the west. so for all your Luke Walton and our young asset homers, think about that for a moment.
oh by the way, you can also see Indy as another example. |
You don't even need to look that high.
Look at a team like the Kings. They're better and they're mostly reliant on their young core. Look at how awful this team would be without LeBron. |
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| Clippers and Indy (without Oladipo) are basically treadmill teams...and their situation is not even remotely close to the bs we went through this season. |
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| Japago wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | so have we been advocating for the Clippers model? I thought it was the GSW model. Most of the guys that always want to move our young assets would have traded Steph and kept Monta Ellis, moved Klay for Kevin Love, and would not have paid Draymond to keep David Lee or sign Jared Dudley.
Steph became an All Star in Year 5 @ 25 years old.
Klay became an All Star in Year 4 @ 24 years old.
Draymond became an All Star in Year 4 @ 25 years old.
None of this happened overnight, and they had many chances to screw it up by selling early on young talent.
Lonzo Ball is in Year 2 @ 21 years old.
Brandon Ingram is in Year 3 @ 21 years old.
Kyle Kuzma is in Year 2 @ 23 years old.
Josh Hart is in Year 2 @ 23 years old. |
I liked what I saw out of Steph and Klay early far more than any of the Lakers' core. Steph had amazing handles, shooting, and passing early. Klay had the shooting and defense early.
It's more than just when they made the all-star team. Several rookies this year look better than the Lakers core. De'Aaron Fox and Donovan Mitchell look better than any of the Lakers core. There are plenty of guys who have looked better through their first 3 seasons than any of the Lakers core. |
interesting.....Steph played in 26 games his 3rd season, and many doubted his NBA career in general. Also, BI has put up better numbers in his 3rd year than Steph or Klay had by their 3rd year....and is 2-3 years younger than both during their 3rd year. |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Japago wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | so have we been advocating for the Clippers model? I thought it was the GSW model. Most of the guys that always want to move our young assets would have traded Steph and kept Monta Ellis, moved Klay for Kevin Love, and would not have paid Draymond to keep David Lee or sign Jared Dudley.
Steph became an All Star in Year 5 @ 25 years old.
Klay became an All Star in Year 4 @ 24 years old.
Draymond became an All Star in Year 4 @ 25 years old.
None of this happened overnight, and they had many chances to screw it up by selling early on young talent.
Lonzo Ball is in Year 2 @ 21 years old.
Brandon Ingram is in Year 3 @ 21 years old.
Kyle Kuzma is in Year 2 @ 23 years old.
Josh Hart is in Year 2 @ 23 years old. |
I liked what I saw out of Steph and Klay early far more than any of the Lakers' core. Steph had amazing handles, shooting, and passing early. Klay had the shooting and defense early.
It's more than just when they made the all-star team. Several rookies this year look better than the Lakers core. De'Aaron Fox and Donovan Mitchell look better than any of the Lakers core. There are plenty of guys who have looked better through their first 3 seasons than any of the Lakers core. |
interesting.....Steph played in 26 games his 3rd season, and many doubted his NBA career in general. Also, BI has put up better numbers in his 3rd year than Steph or Klay had by their 3rd year....and is 2-3 years younger than both during their 3rd year. |
I posted about my feelings on BI in his topic. TLDR version, I think he's putting up empty stats because he's ball-stopping and using ISO too much. Advanced stats hate him and the Lakers don't win his high statistical games. He doesn't help the team win .
There have been players over the years who put up empty high statistical games. David Lee is an example. |
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | we have multiple talented young assets according to some, sure each of them have missed games, but the damn Clippers have NONE, all they got are a bunch of season vets and seldom heard rookies, and yet they're having a great season. oh by the way Lakers also have LeBron, despite his injury and other stuff, you can't deny he's having a bad season. so the differences are really come down to the head coach and overrating our young assets. |
The Clippers start two players 21 and under.
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| adkindo wrote: | | Japago wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | so have we been advocating for the Clippers model? I thought it was the GSW model. Most of the guys that always want to move our young assets would have traded Steph and kept Monta Ellis, moved Klay for Kevin Love, and would not have paid Draymond to keep David Lee or sign Jared Dudley.
Steph became an All Star in Year 5 @ 25 years old.
Klay became an All Star in Year 4 @ 24 years old.
Draymond became an All Star in Year 4 @ 25 years old.
None of this happened overnight, and they had many chances to screw it up by selling early on young talent.
Lonzo Ball is in Year 2 @ 21 years old.
Brandon Ingram is in Year 3 @ 21 years old.
Kyle Kuzma is in Year 2 @ 23 years old.
Josh Hart is in Year 2 @ 23 years old. |
I liked what I saw out of Steph and Klay early far more than any of the Lakers' core. Steph had amazing handles, shooting, and passing early. Klay had the shooting and defense early.
It's more than just when they made the all-star team. Several rookies this year look better than the Lakers core. De'Aaron Fox and Donovan Mitchell look better than any of the Lakers core. There are plenty of guys who have looked better through their first 3 seasons than any of the Lakers core. |
interesting.....Steph played in 26 games his 3rd season, and many doubted his NBA career in general. Also, BI has put up better numbers in his 3rd year than Steph or Klay had by their 3rd year....and is 2-3 years younger than both during their 3rd year. |
This is the kind of faulty comparison people make all the time.
I get that because our guys haven't been great out of the box, it is comforting to look for examples of guys who blossomed later.
But progression of Curry, Green, and Klay's careers says absolutely nothing about the potential progression of Ball, Ingram, or Kuz's career. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | troy wrote: | | How many injuries have the Clipper roster had? |
Do we get to hang those up like the Clips hang up Divisional "championship" banners? |
 What does this even mean? You confused me with this comment.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | troy wrote: | | How many injuries have the Clipper roster had? |
Do we get to hang those up like the Clips hang up Divisional "championship" banners? |
A healthy Laker roster will beat a healthy Clippers roster in a 7 game series. It's as simple as that. |
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| tony wrote: | | Clippers and Indy (without Oladipo) are basically treadmill teams...and their situation is not even remotely close to the bs we went through this season. |
Add the Thunder. I call them Bridesmaid Teams...good enough to make the playoffs, but not good enough to advance to the later rounds, or the Finals. |
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| activeverb wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Japago wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | so have we been advocating for the Clippers model? I thought it was the GSW model. Most of the guys that always want to move our young assets would have traded Steph and kept Monta Ellis, moved Klay for Kevin Love, and would not have paid Draymond to keep David Lee or sign Jared Dudley.
Steph became an All Star in Year 5 @ 25 years old.
Klay became an All Star in Year 4 @ 24 years old.
Draymond became an All Star in Year 4 @ 25 years old.
None of this happened overnight, and they had many chances to screw it up by selling early on young talent.
Lonzo Ball is in Year 2 @ 21 years old.
Brandon Ingram is in Year 3 @ 21 years old.
Kyle Kuzma is in Year 2 @ 23 years old.
Josh Hart is in Year 2 @ 23 years old. |
I liked what I saw out of Steph and Klay early far more than any of the Lakers' core. Steph had amazing handles, shooting, and passing early. Klay had the shooting and defense early.
It's more than just when they made the all-star team. Several rookies this year look better than the Lakers core. De'Aaron Fox and Donovan Mitchell look better than any of the Lakers core. There are plenty of guys who have looked better through their first 3 seasons than any of the Lakers core. |
interesting.....Steph played in 26 games his 3rd season, and many doubted his NBA career in general. Also, BI has put up better numbers in his 3rd year than Steph or Klay had by their 3rd year....and is 2-3 years younger than both during their 3rd year. |
This is the kind of faulty comparison people make all the time.
I get that because our guys haven't been great out of the box, it is comforting to look for examples of guys who blossomed later.
But progression of Curry, Green, and Klay's careers says absolutely nothing about the potential progression of Ball, Ingram, or Kuz's career. |
I disagree....I think it serves as one of many examples of why you can't conclude on young guys 2 and 3 years in most of the time. Curry was never viewed as a future Top 5 player at that time.....Draymond was not viewed as anything close to an All Star.....and Klay was a nice young shooter. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:56 am Post subject: Re: this what i'm telling anyone who still believe in our young assets and Luke Walton |
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| Japago wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | look at the Clippers, tbh, outside of Lou Williams and Gallinari, i can't even name all their starting lineups and they traded away their best player mid-season. yet they're a middle of the pack playoff team in the west. so for all your Luke Walton and our young asset homers, think about that for a moment.
oh by the way, you can also see Indy as another example. |
You don't even need to look that high.
Look at a team like the Kings. They're better and they're mostly reliant on their young core. Look at how awful this team would be without LeBron. |
35 wins last year and on the way up. If we kept DLo and Randle we would be competing for the playoffs like the Kings. |
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| Look at how they're viewed around the league. They have little trade value. No free agents want to sign with a team with them as major focal points. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: this what i'm telling anyone who still believe in our young assets and Luke Walton |
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | Japago wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | look at the Clippers, tbh, outside of Lou Williams and Gallinari, i can't even name all their starting lineups and they traded away their best player mid-season. yet they're a middle of the pack playoff team in the west. so for all your Luke Walton and our young asset homers, think about that for a moment.
oh by the way, you can also see Indy as another example. |
You don't even need to look that high.
Look at a team like the Kings. They're better and they're mostly reliant on their young core. Look at how awful this team would be without LeBron. |
35 wins last year and on the way up. If we kept DLo and Randle we would be competing for the playoffs like the Kings. |
Nobody looks at how players are playing and are just looking at box score stats. Those guys are the centerpieces of their teams and dominate most of their teams' possessions. Russell is 3rd in the league in usage, ahead of LeBron. He has really high volume, with barely passable efficiency.
Those guys and Ingram would be awful together because they need to handle the ball. They're best as centerpieces of mediocre teams. |
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