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tony smith
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 Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:33 pm Post subject: Zu, Lopez & Thomas Bryant |
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You could make a case for many of the other moves our FO has made, but to go from Zu, TB and Lopez too... McGee and part-time Chandler is inexcusable. This is very concerning.
If we had Zu, we would have won last night against ATL.
If we had Lopez, we would certainly have more wins.
If we kept Bryant, we would be grooming a legit stretch five w/ rim protection.
This move makes me fear we are rudderless. |
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| We weren’t gonna keep Zu and Bryant is basically putting up stats on a lottery team in the EC, Lopez is the only arguement worth mentioning. |
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numero-ocho
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With how little Zu and TB showed last season I can't blame the FO for going out anding signing a legit rim protector/above the rim finisher like JaVale. Either Zu or TB was out the door as soon as we signed him.
When Zu got off to another slow start and our defense got porous when JaVale rested, we signed TC and that's when we started winning.
I don't understand not re-signing Brook at the bargain price the Bucks paid either but we don't really know what went on there. Maybe it was another situation like Randle where he wanted more money or more years than the Lakers were willing to offer and he ultimately ended up having to take even less somewhere else. We'll see if the Bucks can afford to keep him when Middleton, Bledsoe and Mirotic are also looking to get paid this summer.
The Zu for Muscala trade I don't understand. Even if we weren't keeping him he could have finished the season before we let him walk. They must see something in Muscala that I haven't yet.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | We weren’t gonna keep Zu |
he was a UFA, there was a good chance we could have re-signed him to a team friendly contract.
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tony smith
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| audioaxes wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | We weren’t gonna keep Zu |
he was a UFA, there was a good chance we could have re-signed him to a team friendly contract. |
And we are now speaking of hypotheticals. Who knows what will happen this offseason? What if we strike out on all the big FAs?
In the meantime, he protected the rim, was our best free-throw shooter and gave LeBron a big target who could get a bucket in the half court. When we lost Zu, we lost any other option to do what he was good at. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | We weren’t gonna keep Zu and Bryant is basically putting up stats on a lottery team in the EC, Lopez is the only arguement worth mentioning. |
for sure..
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unleasHell
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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I just love "What If" threads....
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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The Lebrons
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| Ya, the whole "center-less" basketball thing didn't go so well. Brought to you by the front office that thought Kuz could play the 5. Feels like we already forgot about that atrocity. Again, the plan was for Kuz to play the 5 this year. |
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AncientMariner
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| The Lebrons wrote: | | Ya, the whole "center-less" basketball thing didn't go so well. Brought to you by the front office that thought Kuz could play the 5. Feels like we already forgot about that atrocity. Again, the plan was for Kuz to play the 5 this year. |
Yeah same with the "death lineup" with LeBron at center. |
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| YSong wrote: | | Who cares move on |
He does not have to move on.
Some fans care and are pissed off.
This is a valid argument.
The FO has made some questionable personnel decisions which has led to our team being out of the playoffs. There was no need to trade Zubac. None.
This FO will be the one that tries to make trades and signing in the future to increase our chances to make the playoffs.
If we make the playoffs, everything will be forgiven.
Until that happens, we are entitled to question their decisions. |
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The Lebrons
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| AncientMariner wrote: | | The Lebrons wrote: | | Ya, the whole "center-less" basketball thing didn't go so well. Brought to you by the front office that thought Kuz could play the 5. Feels like we already forgot about that atrocity. Again, the plan was for Kuz to play the 5 this year. |
Yeah same with the "death lineup" with LeBron at center. |
Lebron would be awesome at C if he wanted to be. He just doesn't want to play C (and exert the effort it would require). |
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lakerfanaticPT
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Worst move than Dlo, Randle, Lopez all in one was letting Zu go for a bag of crap.
21 years old.....mark my words, he will be an all star within 3 years. Stupid a$$ FO |
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| lakerfanaticPT wrote: | Worst move than Dlo, Randle, Lopez all in one was letting Zu go for a bag of crap.
21 years old.....mark my words, he will be an all star within 3 years. Stupid a$$ FO |
DLo trade was great, going to have to strongly disagree in bunching that into the "bad trade" category. But yeah headass moves by the FO on the other three |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | We weren’t gonna keep Zu and Bryant is basically putting up stats on a lottery team in the EC, Lopez is the only arguement worth mentioning. |
there's always a reason isnt there. but i still think bryant is a solid player. there's a point here that still stands about the talent we have let go, and maybe are willing to let go. i dont blame magic really much at all. |
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| laker4life wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | Who cares move on |
He does not have to move on.
Some fans care and are pissed off.
This is a valid argument.
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| laker4life wrote: | | There was no need to trade Zubac. None. |
FO knows they screwed up not getting shooters, signs away one of our top prospects for a guy who can't really shoot.
Why Maginka. Why. |
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| The decision Magic is making is unbelievable. |
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Tony Smith observes an F-up and says to the world I have sees an F-up! By doing so, he stands as a fair witness to an F-up.
Those who don't see their mistakes are doomed to repeat them. |
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Polarbear
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:38 am Post subject: Re: Zu, Lopez & Thomas Bryant |
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| tony smith wrote: | You could make a case for many of the other moves our FO has made, but to go from Zu, TB and Lopez too... McGee and part-time Chandler is inexcusable. This is very concerning.
If we had Zu, we would have won last night against ATL.
If we had Lopez, we would certainly have more wins.
If we kept Bryant, we would be grooming a legit stretch five w/ rim protection.
This move makes me fear we are rudderless. |
Nobody was complaining when Chandler was looking like the missing piece on defense when we first picked him up.
He has fallen off
MgGee has also shown that if played in spurts is a monster.....but if he has to play extended minutes lacks energy
These looked like good moves for some time
That is not the front offices fault |
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as it stands.
Zubac starting, backed up by Thomas Bryant.
Is a better center situation than we currently have.
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tony smith
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:52 am Post subject: Re: Zu, Lopez & Thomas Bryant |
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| Polarbear wrote: | | tony smith wrote: | You could make a case for many of the other moves our FO has made, but to go from Zu, TB and Lopez too... McGee and part-time Chandler is inexcusable. This is very concerning.
If we had Zu, we would have won last night against ATL.
If we had Lopez, we would certainly have more wins.
If we kept Bryant, we would be grooming a legit stretch five w/ rim protection.
This move makes me fear we are rudderless. |
Nobody was complaining when Chandler was looking like the missing piece on defense when we first picked him up.
He has fallen off
MgGee has also shown that if played in spurts is a monster.....but if he has to play extended minutes lacks energy
These looked like good moves for some time
That is not the front offices fault |
When all was flowing, yes, they looked good. But we knew Chandler was long in tooth with a back that had given him problems.
And let's not forget we had to scramble and pray to get Chandler in the first place! Kuz was supposed to be our back-up 5! Miscalculations and unforced errors. We curbed his productivity out of the gate and cost us some games with a flawed roster.
McGee has asthma and neither brought the bulk, post moves, or even free throw shooing of Zu and giving him up for Muscala netted us nothing new of benefit. Shooting? Maybe, but in spot min. doesn't Moe give us the same? Certainly the difference between Muscala and Moe was not worth just cutting Zu.
And going back to my original point:
Last year we had Brook, Zu AND Bryant. All three would be helpful right now. In both in-game minutes and asset cultivation and player development. Tossing all that aside for.... what? Muscala? Hopes of a big signing which is far from a guarantee? I don't get it. Cutting off our nose to spite our face.
Building a team is hard enough. But unforced errors set you back. The way this was handled was an unforced error. This isn't a piss and moan rant. It's citing a serious misstep in our FO that is troubling. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| YSong wrote: | | Who cares move on |
That's nonsense! This Front Office is moving us in the wrong direction and we're supposed to just smile along and not get frustrated about it??
So many of their decisions could be seen as mistakes over a mile away.
- not signing shooters after signing Lebron
- letting go of Brook Lopez when he is about to become the first player in NBA history to average +2bpg and +2 made 3point field goals made per game. You know how hard it is to find a rim protector and floor spacer??? But nope!! This FO thought that the money would be better served going to Michael Beasley.
SO then mid-season what do they do to correct the lack of a floor spacing big?? Trade their most promising big for one who shoots below the league average!!! Incredible!!
So many bullets dodged that they will continue to try to get hit by again, including gutting the roster for one player who hasn't proven that he can carry a team featuring two other borderline allstars to the playoffs consistently. It seems they are only content with a 1-year pseudo-run at a title instead of long term sustainable success.
Here is what we should have had going into the season:
C - Lopez/Zubac/Bryant
F - Lebron/Randle
F - Ariza/Kuzma/Svi
G - Ingram/Hart/Bonga
G - Ball/Seth Curry (room exception)/Devin Harris
This is just an example .. .but to me.. it's not rocket science to put together such a roster. It's doable, balanced, has more chemistry from the previous year and on paper is much more competitive than what we are seeing.
You move onto a vet like Ariza once you find out PG13 is not coming. Rather than do that however, they sign KCP to placate Lebron ony to try to trade him mid-season for the very player they should have targeted in the first place (Ariza).It seems there was no contingency plan whatsoever last off-season.
So it may be easy for you to move on but some of us can't help but be passionate about the direction of the team. |
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tony smith
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| Zubolo wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | Who cares move on |
So it may be easy for you to move on but some of us can't help but be passionate about the direction of the team. |
Preach! |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: Zu, Lopez & Thomas Bryant |
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| Polarbear wrote: | | tony smith wrote: | You could make a case for many of the other moves our FO has made, but to go from Zu, TB and Lopez too... McGee and part-time Chandler is inexcusable. This is very concerning.
If we had Zu, we would have won last night against ATL.
If we had Lopez, we would certainly have more wins.
If we kept Bryant, we would be grooming a legit stretch five w/ rim protection.
This move makes me fear we are rudderless. |
Nobody was complaining when Chandler was looking like the missing piece on defense when we first picked him up.
He has fallen off
MgGee has also shown that if played in spurts is a monster.....but if he has to play extended minutes lacks energy
These looked like good moves for some time
That is not the front offices fault |
Everybody on the Warriors coaching staff as well as most casual observers knew McGee can only play in spurts. Somehow this front office was trying to reinvent the wheel.
Everybody knows that the formula to unleashing the best of Lebron was to surround him by quality shooters. Somehow Magic felt he had some genius that everyone else lacked.
Most casual fans saw the impact Julius Randle had on last year's team. The front office did not want to give him a chance last year and did not even consider bringing him back this year. Ironically, he shares the same agent as Paul George so who knows whether prioritizing Randle and establishing a good rapport with George's agent would have at least got us a meeting with PG13?
Bottom line, signing Javale Mcgee with only Zubac as the backup center after coming off an unimpressive sophomore year was not the way to go. Especially when you could have kept Lopez for cheap but opted rather to sign Beasley.
It is MOSTLY the front office's fault!! |
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