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venturalakersfan
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| Lazlow wrote: | | JPaulK0n wrote: | | 5 years of sucking, with no All-Star talent to show for on the current roster. I'd settle for mediocrity for the 8th seed than tanking for multiple years again. That 5 year no playoffs run post-Kobe achilles was traumatizing. If your a young player, Lakers are not a good spot to play in unless your a generational talent. You have like a few months or your rookie season "to show it", i.e. Magic, Kobe-like, etc. or your considered and labelled a bum like Russell, Ingram, etc. by Lakers fans and NBA fans and don't get the patience like every other franchise for a player to develop. |
How has sticking with young talent worked for the Orlando Magic and Suns in recent years? |
How has it worked for the Warriors?
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audioaxes
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Lazlow wrote: | | JPaulK0n wrote: | | 5 years of sucking, with no All-Star talent to show for on the current roster. I'd settle for mediocrity for the 8th seed than tanking for multiple years again. That 5 year no playoffs run post-Kobe achilles was traumatizing. If your a young player, Lakers are not a good spot to play in unless your a generational talent. You have like a few months or your rookie season "to show it", i.e. Magic, Kobe-like, etc. or your considered and labelled a bum like Russell, Ingram, etc. by Lakers fans and NBA fans and don't get the patience like every other franchise for a player to develop. |
How has sticking with young talent worked for the Orlando Magic and Suns in recent years? |
How has it worked for the Warriors? |
we clearly do not have a Klay or Steph in the making on this team
and who said anything about tanking for multiple years again? This is a one time tank to get a lottery pick that will have enough value to help trade for a star so we can go on a 2-3 year championship run starting next season. |
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Villain6Activated
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | PengShow wrote: | | Package the pick for an actual star if it came down to that, we don't need more young players. |
Yeah, trade the #2 pick or Ingram for Paul George. Oh wait.... |
The Lakers probably thought our #2 picks would be better players by now just like the rest of us.
Paul George trade was going to happen when Ingram was just coming off his rookie season with clear improvement in the second half as a 19 year old underdeveloped kid. The number 2 pick had endless possibilities, not sure why people blame them for not making a short sighted move.
It just hasn't worked out for us as of now, but I still don't think it was the wrong move at the time.
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LakerLogic
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| audioaxes wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Lazlow wrote: | | JPaulK0n wrote: | | 5 years of sucking, with no All-Star talent to show for on the current roster. I'd settle for mediocrity for the 8th seed than tanking for multiple years again. That 5 year no playoffs run post-Kobe achilles was traumatizing. If your a young player, Lakers are not a good spot to play in unless your a generational talent. You have like a few months or your rookie season "to show it", i.e. Magic, Kobe-like, etc. or your considered and labelled a bum like Russell, Ingram, etc. by Lakers fans and NBA fans and don't get the patience like every other franchise for a player to develop. |
How has sticking with young talent worked for the Orlando Magic and Suns in recent years? |
How has it worked for the Warriors? |
we clearly do not have a Klay or Steph in the making on this team
and who said anything about tanking for multiple years again? This is a one time tank to get a lottery pick that will have enough value to help trade for a star so we can go on a 2-3 year championship run starting next season. |
No one thought Steph or Klay would be the layers they are in their prime. |
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audioaxes
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | audioaxes wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Lazlow wrote: | | JPaulK0n wrote: | | 5 years of sucking, with no All-Star talent to show for on the current roster. I'd settle for mediocrity for the 8th seed than tanking for multiple years again. That 5 year no playoffs run post-Kobe achilles was traumatizing. If your a young player, Lakers are not a good spot to play in unless your a generational talent. You have like a few months or your rookie season "to show it", i.e. Magic, Kobe-like, etc. or your considered and labelled a bum like Russell, Ingram, etc. by Lakers fans and NBA fans and don't get the patience like every other franchise for a player to develop. |
How has sticking with young talent worked for the Orlando Magic and Suns in recent years? |
How has it worked for the Warriors? |
we clearly do not have a Klay or Steph in the making on this team
and who said anything about tanking for multiple years again? This is a one time tank to get a lottery pick that will have enough value to help trade for a star so we can go on a 2-3 year championship run starting next season. |
No one thought Steph or Klay would be the layers they are in their prime. |
come on they showed a hell lot more than what our youth were. Klay was averaging 17ppg on 40% 3pt shooting his second year.
Steph 19ppg on 44% 3 pt shooting his second year. |
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troy
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No need to tank. The lost to the Wolves hurt, just like they all do. But no team is immune from these types of losses.
In the Western Conference, of the 15 teams, only 5 have had winning records in the past 10 games (that is, better than .500). And that includes Denver, who has been 6-4.
Despite all the drama we've had, we're really not that far off than the vast majority of teams in the West. It's just a very difficult conference to win consistently in. |
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Assuming LeBron is back within the next week and a half or so and no one suffers another major injury, this team will make the playoffs. Maybe not homecourt, but they'll get in. However, it's anyone's guess how far they can go once that time comes. Even in games where they've played really badly, a lot of those games would've been wins if they had simply made their free throws. Their defense is fantastic, but they cancel it out with the bad free throw shooting. So because of that, it seems unlikely at this point that they'll make a deep run in the playoffs. They might not even make it out of the first round. Bad free throw shooting destroys you in the playoffs.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:21 am Post subject: |
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| Judah wrote: | | Assuming LeBron is back within the next week and a half or so and no one suffers another major injury, this team will make the playoffs. Maybe not homecourt, but they'll get in. However, it's anyone's guess how far they can go once that time comes. Even in games where they've played really badly, a lot of those games would've been wins if they had simply made their free throws. Their defense is fantastic, but they cancel it out with the bad free throw shooting. So because of that, it seems unlikely at this point that they'll make a deep run in the playoffs. They might not even make it out of the first round. Bad free throw shooting destroys you in the playoffs. |
Ill take a top 10 pick with a solid chance of slipping into the top 4 all day compared to barely slipping into the playoffs and getting wiped out in the 1st round.
Let Lebron rest, dont put needless miles on his body. He only has about 3 years of elite play left so we need to go all in the coming seasons and a lottery pick will be a big boost to being able to trade in more talent. |
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LakerLogic
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| audioaxes wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | audioaxes wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Lazlow wrote: | | JPaulK0n wrote: | | 5 years of sucking, with no All-Star talent to show for on the current roster. I'd settle for mediocrity for the 8th seed than tanking for multiple years again. That 5 year no playoffs run post-Kobe achilles was traumatizing. If your a young player, Lakers are not a good spot to play in unless your a generational talent. You have like a few months or your rookie season "to show it", i.e. Magic, Kobe-like, etc. or your considered and labelled a bum like Russell, Ingram, etc. by Lakers fans and NBA fans and don't get the patience like every other franchise for a player to develop. |
How has sticking with young talent worked for the Orlando Magic and Suns in recent years? |
How has it worked for the Warriors? |
we clearly do not have a Klay or Steph in the making on this team
and who said anything about tanking for multiple years again? This is a one time tank to get a lottery pick that will have enough value to help trade for a star so we can go on a 2-3 year championship run starting next season. |
No one thought Steph or Klay would be the layers they are in their prime. |
come on they showed a hell lot more than what our youth were. Klay was averaging 17ppg on 40% 3pt shooting his second year.
Steph 19ppg on 44% 3 pt shooting his second year. |
Klay was 22 in his 2nd year.
Steph was 22 in his 2nd year.
Nobody was making an All-NBA type predictions for the. I'm not saying our guys are that but look at Russell showing improvement at about the 4 year mark, he's turning 23 in Feb. Lakers shipped him out. We are not that organization to help these guys flourish.
I don't see BI having as high of a potential as some of our other guys but Lonzo certainly does imo. Lakers won't wait around though. Their FO is the problem and that will not be corrected anytime soon. We might get lucky at get Kawhi here, that is our only chance at success. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| 1ngr4m wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | PengShow wrote: | | Package the pick for an actual star if it came down to that, we don't need more young players. |
Yeah, trade the #2 pick or Ingram for Paul George. Oh wait.... |
The Lakers probably thought our #2 picks would be better players by now just like the rest of us.
Paul George trade was going to happen when Ingram was just coming off his rookie season with clear improvement in the second half as a 19 year old underdeveloped kid. The number 2 pick had endless possibilities, not sure why people blame them for not making a short sighted move.
It just hasn't worked out for us as of now, but I still don't think it was the wrong move at the time. |
It was the wrong move if they had any indications/trends about Lebron coming here. Now you have some Frankensteinish roster trying to build around Lebron and youth. The fact you have to make Lebron play a ton of min to win games consistenly is a fail  |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| audioaxes wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | Assuming LeBron is back within the next week and a half or so and no one suffers another major injury, this team will make the playoffs. Maybe not homecourt, but they'll get in. However, it's anyone's guess how far they can go once that time comes. Even in games where they've played really badly, a lot of those games would've been wins if they had simply made their free throws. Their defense is fantastic, but they cancel it out with the bad free throw shooting. So because of that, it seems unlikely at this point that they'll make a deep run in the playoffs. They might not even make it out of the first round. Bad free throw shooting destroys you in the playoffs. |
Ill take a top 10 pick with a solid chance of slipping into the top 4 all day compared to barely slipping into the playoffs and getting wiped out in the 1st round.
Let Lebron rest, dont put needless miles on his body. He only has about 3 years of elite play left so we need to go all in the coming seasons and a lottery pick will be a big boost to being able to trade in more talent. |
I'd rather not play Lebron a ton of min and witness a major injury ala Kobe in 2012-13  . Luke is not a good coach and we need better players |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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various bullet point reasons why we should tank the rest of the year:
- LBJ wants Luke fired. Clearly, the organization is in disarray to an extent. We can appease LBJ, fire Luke, put who cares in as interim, keep LBJ and Lonzo out for the rest of the year, give Moe, Bonga, and Svi maximum minutes, and end up with a good pick in this year's draft.
- The higher our pick, the better trade asset it is if we decide to go that route.
- The higher the pick, the better the player, ideally.
- We will get to see what Bonga, Moe, and Svi have. We will also get a bigger sample size on BI, Kooz (whose trade value is likely rising), Zubac (who will be an unrestricted FA), and Hart.
- Getting the 8th seed means nothing this year. It is a near-certainty that if we have the 8th seed we will be swept by GSW.
- Even if LBJ comes back, we may not even make the playoffs. We're noticeably behind every team currently in the playoffs except for the Clippers. The Clippers are not a joke this year. Every other team above us will likely remain there (the Spurs maybe being the other exception – but they're well coached and have a better overall roster + coach combination than us).
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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I really hope the Lakers make the 8th seed... in the lottery
Thats seems to be the sweet spot... 26.3% chance of a top 4 pick |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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If we fell to 6th from the bottom... we'd have a 40% chance at getting a top 4 pick.
It would take some doing to fall below Atlanta though. Memphis is possible though. |
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Our lineups should, ideally, look something like:
Bonga
Svi
BI
Moe
Zubac
Caruso
Hart
Lance
Beasley
McGee
Rondo should rest up that hand, Kooz should rest up that hip, LBJ groin, Lonzo ankle. That team should be good for anywhere from the 6th to 8th spot, I'd say.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| Tank for Morant |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:40 am Post subject: |
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If we end up not making the play-offs talk about egg on your faces for Jeanie, Magic, Pelinka and LeBron. 
Laughing stock of the NBA, when was the last time Bron even missed the play-offs? |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:44 am Post subject: |
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Bring back Commander Scott aka Tragic's favorite coach...and he will guarantee a top-3 for a few seasons
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| petergr wrote: | Bring back Commander Scott aka Tragic's favorite coach...and he will guarantee a top-3 for a few seasons
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audioaxes
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:19 am Post subject: |
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this would be the most exciting tank season ever because we are already guaranteed to be a much better team next season with a healthy lebron back and a MAX free agent signing. Throw in a lottery pick we can use to flip for a third star
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| audioaxes wrote: | | this would be the most exciting tank season ever because we are already guaranteed to be a much better team next season with a healthy lebron back, a MAX free agent signing. Throw in a lottery pick we can use to flip for a third star |
Gas up the tank tbh |
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lakerican
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| PengShow wrote: | If we end up not making the play-offs talk about egg on your faces for Jeanie, Magic, Pelinka and LeBron.
Laughing stock of the NBA, when was the last time Bron even missed the play-offs? |
Well, LeBron not playing Tonite looks like he want to miss them. What a difference a star makes, just saying. |
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LakerLogic
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Zion is worth tanking for but that would only happen if LBJ is out for the majority of the season. |
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What a horrible thread. Losers mentality. I guess four years of this (bleep) isn't enough for some of you. It's playoffs or bust this year. We might fall short but rooting for the team to lose is pathetic.
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| 32 wrote: | | What a horrible thread. Losers mentality. I guess four years of this (bleep) isn't enough for some of you. It's playoffs or bust this year. We might fall short but rooting for the team to lose is pathetic. |
When that first ever Laker tank thread years ago it was sacrilege to even consider the unthinkable. It's sad how it immediately comes up when the going gets rough nowadays, apparently Stockholm syndrome towards the tank has set in over the years. |
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