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I'm sure most of us fatsos can't hit a high % of fts after running up and down the court for a few minutes with the high pressure of NBA athletics. But hey, it's the internet. Every one of us are on the edge of making the G-League  |
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| adkindo wrote: | | I will never understand how a dude can pull up in a game from 35 feet and knock it down near 35% of the time.....but can't crack 70% from 15 feet on a dead ball. I think Kobe only shot under 80% 1 out of 20 seasons, Jordan 1 out of 15 seasons....Magic shot 76% his 2nd and 3rd season, but shot a higher career % than Kobe or Jordan. |
Could be a nerves issue. As some pointed out, his new FT form also adds movement in his legs which isn't always the best either. I always thought pairing LBJ with a stone cold finisher was the best and he had that with Wade/Kyrie where he could do a lot of the heavy lifting and they could close.
Remember Kobe/LBJ together on that Olympic team in Beijing, LBJ did a ton of heavy lifting and Mamba closed out. I never saw LBJ as a dominant closer and I think the FT thing also is a reflection of nerves, even though he'll go down as one of the best players ever. If you haven't noticed, he bites his nails a lot during crunch time huddles.
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| epak wrote: | | I'm sure most of us fatsos can't hit a high % of fts after running up and down the court for a few minutes with the high pressure of NBA athletics. But hey, it's the internet. Every one of us are on the edge of making the Allstar Team |
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| epak wrote: | | I'm sure most of us fatsos can't hit a high % of fts after running up and down the court for a few minutes with the high pressure of NBA athletics. But hey, it's the internet. Every one of us are on the edge of making the G-League |
Is it a proven fact that player's FT% goes down from the start to the end of games?
Because if that's true then maybe you have a point.
Of course if that were true it might also be nerves more than fatigue... but I've never seen a sports announcer say... oh... Harden looks really fatigued... now he's going to start missing his free throws. |
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epak
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | epak wrote: | | I'm sure most of us fatsos can't hit a high % of fts after running up and down the court for a few minutes with the high pressure of NBA athletics. But hey, it's the internet. Every one of us are on the edge of making the G-League |
Is it a proven fact that player's FT% goes down from the start to the end of games?
Because if that's true then maybe you have a point.
Of course if that were true it might also be nerves more than fatigue... but I've never seen a sports announcer say... oh... Harden looks really fatigued... now he's going to start missing his free throws. |
But that's comparing athletes who do this for a living vs an average joe no? When I was solely playing half court, running a full took some time to get used to. But maybe that's just me. I know some of you guys get your cardio in on the daily, so it might not be any problem for you. |
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| epak wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | epak wrote: | | I'm sure most of us fatsos can't hit a high % of fts after running up and down the court for a few minutes with the high pressure of NBA athletics. But hey, it's the internet. Every one of us are on the edge of making the G-League |
Is it a proven fact that player's FT% goes down from the start to the end of games?
Because if that's true then maybe you have a point.
Of course if that were true it might also be nerves more than fatigue... but I've never seen a sports announcer say... oh... Harden looks really fatigued... now he's going to start missing his free throws. |
But that's comparing athletes who do this for a living vs an average joe no? When I was solely playing half court, running a full took some time to get used to. But maybe that's just me. I know some of you guys get your cardio in on the daily, so it might not be any problem for you. |
No my point is that has nothing to do with fitness.
No one has ever said... oh well, KD's free throw shooting always declines in altitude.
They are top athletes... it's a non factor.
As Adkindo just said... why can someone make a jump shot with 7 foot wingspan in their face... not make a set shot while in rhythm and completely still?
It's mental weakness... nothing more.
No one here is bragging about their athletic ability... they are confused about the physics.
It's like wondering why an Olympic gymnast who can do a triple back flip can't execute a basic somersault.
Yinoma said earlier it's a matter in some cases of different skillsets... which is true when you are talking about someone like Shaq who only scored at the rim vs. Nash or Dirk.
But how do perimeter players who make contested 3 pointers with regularity miss free throws?
It has to be mental. |
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I would be ecstatic if i could hit 70%  |
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epak
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | epak wrote: | | I'm sure most of us fatsos can't hit a high % of fts after running up and down the court for a few minutes with the high pressure of NBA athletics. But hey, it's the internet. Every one of us are on the edge of making the G-League |
Is it a proven fact that player's FT% goes down from the start to the end of games?
Because if that's true then maybe you have a point.
Of course if that were true it might also be nerves more than fatigue... but I've never seen a sports announcer say... oh... Harden looks really fatigued... now he's going to start missing his free throws. |
But that's comparing athletes who do this for a living vs an average joe no? When I was solely playing half court, running a full took some time to get used to. But maybe that's just me. I know some of you guys get your cardio in on the daily, so it might not be any problem for you. |
No my point is that has nothing to do with fitness.
No one has ever said... oh well, KD's free throw shooting always declines in altitude.
They are top athletes... it's a non factor.
As Adkindo just said... why can someone make a jump shot with 7 foot wingspan in their face... not make a set shot while in rhythm and completely still?
It's mental weakness... nothing more.
No one here is bragging about their athletic ability... they are confused about the physics.
It's like wondering why an Olympic gymnast who can do a triple back flip can't execute a basic somersault.
Yinoma said earlier it's a matter in some cases of different skillsets... which is true when you are talking about someone like Shaq who only scored at the rim vs. Nash or Dirk.
But how do perimeter players who make contested 3 pointers with regularity miss free throws?
It has to be mental. |
Was my initial post about NBA players or about fans? There seems to be some disconnect. Because I don't think my post is talking about NBA players missing FTs. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: Raise your hand if you're better than Lebron at free throw shooting |
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | Gadget, put your hand down |
I was a good enough free thrower to be the guy on my City League team who took the shot when the other team got a technical foul. But I doubt I could make 70% of my free throws if you put me in the NBA |
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| epak wrote: | | I'm sure most of us fatsos can't hit a high % of fts after running up and down the court for a few minutes with the high pressure of NBA athletics. But hey, it's the internet. Every one of us are on the edge of making the G-League |
ok, but even playing as a teen in school, I was around 75% from the line, and I was not the technical foul shooting guy on the team....probably not even the 2nd option. I would guess as I have aged, it would be somewhere in that range in rec/church leagues. I compare that to when I step onto a golf course, there is absolutely nothing I can do that is even half as good as any player on the tour.
On one hand I get it....Lebron could probably set in a community gym with me and make 48 out of 50 or something......but it still "feels" like his % should be much higher in games. Same for about 50% of NBA players.....I mean these guys put hour and hours into improving their game, and get paid a lot of money to do it.....maybe it is nostalgia (I do not know the numbers), but I just do not recall NBA players missing free throws as a team at the rate they do today.
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| adkindo wrote: | | epak wrote: | | I'm sure most of us fatsos can't hit a high % of fts after running up and down the court for a few minutes with the high pressure of NBA athletics. But hey, it's the internet. Every one of us are on the edge of making the G-League |
ok, but even playing as a teen in school, I was around 75% from the line, and I was not the technical foul shooting guy on the team....probably not even the 2nd option. I would guess as I have aged, it would be somewhere in that range in rec/church leagues. I compare that to when I step onto a golf course, there is absolutely nothing I can do that is even half as good as any player on the tour.
On one hand I get it....Lebron could probably set in a community gym with me and make 48 out of 100 or something......but it still "feels" like his % should be much higher in games. Same for about 50% of NBA players.....I mean these guys put hour and hours into improving their game, and get paid a lot of money to do it.....maybe it is nostalgia (I do not know the numbers), but I just do not recall NBA players missing free throws as a team at the rate they do today. |
For NBA guys, I blame it on hand size.
Your relatively tiny little hands make it easier to shoot the ball perhaps.
I think if we knew the real answer, we'd be making thousands teaching this ballers how to shoot. |
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| ^^^^btw, I meant 48 out of 50 |
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| adkindo wrote: | | ^^^^btw, I meant 48 out of 50 |
Haha. I was wondering about that.
But then I wasn't sure if it was a slight on LeBron  |
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| I broke my high school's career free throw shooting record (30 years ago), so I think I could shoot better free throws than LBJ:) |
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| StatCoach wrote: | | I broke my high school's career free throw shooting record (30 years ago), so I think I could shoot better free throws than LBJ:) |
What was the % coach? |
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| epak wrote: | | StatCoach wrote: | | I broke my high school's career free throw shooting record (30 years ago), so I think I could shoot better free throws than LBJ:) |
What was the % coach? |
85% -- You would think high school records would be higher, but career hs free throw records are usually mid 80s to low 90s. I think Steve Alford still holds Indiana's State High School career record at like 88% if I remember right. |
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| StatCoach wrote: | | epak wrote: | | StatCoach wrote: | | I broke my high school's career free throw shooting record (30 years ago), so I think I could shoot better free throws than LBJ:) |
What was the % coach? |
85% -- You would think high school records would be higher, but career hs free throw records are usually mid 80s to low 90s. I think Steve Alford still holds Indiana's State High School career record at like 88% if I remember right. |
not sure if it still holds, but I think Seth Colclasure (early 90's) holds the Indiana and National Season & Career mark.....97.7% season and 93.3% career (519 out of 554)! Alford had a long high school consecutive made streak going.....but I do not think anyone will ever break Daryl Moreau's 126 straight in the 78-79 season for a New Orleans high school.
John Wooden still has the professional record...134 (or listed as 138 in some places) 1934-36. |
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| StatCoach wrote: | | epak wrote: | | StatCoach wrote: | | I broke my high school's career free throw shooting record (30 years ago), so I think I could shoot better free throws than LBJ:) |
What was the % coach? |
85% -- You would think high school records would be higher, but career hs free throw records are usually mid 80s to low 90s. I think Steve Alford still holds Indiana's State High School career record at like 88% if I remember right. |
Thanks!
And congrats on the record. |
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| epak wrote: | | StatCoach wrote: | | epak wrote: | | StatCoach wrote: | | I broke my high school's career free throw shooting record (30 years ago), so I think I could shoot better free throws than LBJ:) |
What was the % coach? |
85% -- You would think high school records would be higher, but career hs free throw records are usually mid 80s to low 90s. I think Steve Alford still holds Indiana's State High School career record at like 88% if I remember right. |
Thanks!
And congrats on the record. |
Plot twist: He was home schooled along with his brother. |
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I can sympathize with Lebron because I too am a poor FT shooter, but other than that my game is pretty solid. Besides poor free throw shooting, the only other real holes in my game are:
Layups,
Dunks,
Jumpshots,
3 pointers,
2 pointers,
Tech Foul Shots,
Hook Shots,
Turn Arounds,
Post ups,
Assists,
Turnovers,
Personal Fouls,
But that's it. In every other facet my play is pretty stellar...
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| Aussiesuede wrote: | I can sympathize with Lebron because I too am a poor FT shooter, but other than that my game is pretty solid. Besides poor free throw shooting, the only other real holes in my game are:
Layups,
Dunks,
Jumpshots,
3 pointers,
2 pointers,
Tech Foul Shots,
Hook Shots,
Turn Arounds,
Post ups,
Assists,
Turnovers,
Personal Fouls,
But that's it. In every other facet my play is pretty stellar... |
well it sounds like you're a defensive specialist and there's nothing wrong with that
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | Aussiesuede wrote: | I can sympathize with Lebron because I too am a poor FT shooter, but other than that my game is pretty solid. Besides poor free throw shooting, the only other real holes in my game are:
Layups,
Dunks,
Jumpshots,
3 pointers,
2 pointers,
Tech Foul Shots,
Hook Shots,
Turn Arounds,
Post ups,
Assists,
Turnovers,
Personal Fouls,
But that's it. In every other facet my play is pretty stellar... |
well it sounds like you're a defensive specialist and there's nothing wrong with that |
Darn it. I forgot a few holes  :
On ball defense,
Off ball defense
Steals,
Blocks,
But I'm in the upper 1% of Rebounding and Bench Maintenance. My game is pretty legendary. I can accomplish things on a basketball court that few other 6'4" guys are capable of. And I can fill up a box score. Need somebody to take 30 shots? I've no problem getting up 30 shots, and a few of em will even graze the rim. Need somebody to defend the other teams best scorer? I'm always up to the task, as long as you don't mind him scoring a little bit. I've never had somebody score more than 50 on me. I usually foul out well before that could happen. I can disrupt passing lanes, but try not to since my teammates start to have a hissy when I break up their passes. Watching me on the court is a pretty epic experience...
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| ringfinger wrote: | | epak wrote: | | StatCoach wrote: | | epak wrote: | | StatCoach wrote: | | I broke my high school's career free throw shooting record (30 years ago), so I think I could shoot better free throws than LBJ:) |
What was the % coach? |
85% -- You would think high school records would be higher, but career hs free throw records are usually mid 80s to low 90s. I think Steve Alford still holds Indiana's State High School career record at like 88% if I remember right. |
Thanks!
And congrats on the record. |
Plot twist: He was home schooled along with his brother. |
Woah.
That's some M Night stuff right there |
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| MJST wrote: | | splashmtn wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Raise your hand if you've shot more threes than Simmons has in his NBA career.
great, now defend him. |
you give me 4 other nba players. and I would defend big ben simmons. Just backup to the FT line. go ahead, SHOOT or run me over for the charge. your choice. |
No NBA player has tried this? |
it worked on a guy he plays like. that guy we have on our team. remember what the spurs did to him. not about stats about what happened during the game when the spurs basically built a fence and said go ahead take the jumper bro. and he wouldnt do it half the time kept trying to force something that wasnt there. |
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