Why are the Clippers more successful than us FOR THESE PAST 7 YEARS?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:52 am    Post subject: Why are the Clippers more successful than us FOR THESE PAST 7 YEARS?

We haven't even come close to the success the Clippers have had in the past few years, but they had quality players then and we didn't.

But this year, we have our high drafted young core, all of them with NBA experience under their belt. We have the best player in the game in Lebron James. We have finals-proven vets on our roster. We have a legendary champion in the front office. And we have lots of money.

Yet, the Clippers constantly perform better than us. Why?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:55 am    Post subject:

Because as fans we overrate our young guys. Also Doc is a much better motivator and coach than Luke.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:55 am    Post subject:

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Yes clippers constantly outperform us.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:56 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:57 am    Post subject:

Lol Clippers are a laughing stock

O championships
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:57 am    Post subject:

Clippers play for banners ...Lakers play for trophies

Plain and simple
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:58 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:01 am    Post subject:

defense wrote:
Lol Clippers are a laughing stock

O championships


They're good this year, as they have been in the past, but honestly they have a different vibe now. New owner, Jerry West, a seasoned championship coach, no more CP3 running amok in the locker room. No egos on that team. They really did a nice job cleaning house. They won't finish as the top seed but we'll definitely be competing with them for free agents this summer. They set the table nicely.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:02 am    Post subject:

Idk probably has something to do with the fact that we are the prima donna team with all the hype and cameras on us and they just go about their business as the team no one talks/cares about. A chip on one’s shoulder can go a long way 🤷🏼‍♀️
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:03 am    Post subject:

Jesusdelonla wrote:
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Yes clippers constantly outperform us.


It has been almost a decade since the Lakers have been in the Finals. We can talk all we want about our glorious past, but we're not looking much closer to getting back there. So the OP's question is legit, especially in regards to this season.

Obviously if we're taking the historical view, then no, the Clippers have no kind of real success. But this season, when they have no real star on the team, they're out performing the Lakers. It is worth asking how a team with seemingly lesser talent, or at least lesser high end talent, is playing better.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:18 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:20 am    Post subject:

Clippers have had more talent than us. Not this year. But pretty much every other year. That wins out. Also doc rivers as much as laker fans don’t want to admit, is much better than the clowns we’ve hired to coach here.

Put Walton on the clippers sideline they’re under .500 this year.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:21 am    Post subject:

Jesusdelonla wrote:
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Yes clippers constantly outperform us.


He’s talking last few years. Can’t rest on past success forever
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:22 am    Post subject:

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Jesusdelonla wrote:
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Yes clippers constantly outperform us.


It has been almost a decade since the Lakers have been in the Finals. We can talk all we want about our glorious past, but we're not looking much closer to getting back there. So the OP's question is legit, especially in regards to this season.

Obviously if we're taking the historical view, then no, the Clippers have no kind of real success. But this season, when they have no real star on the team, they're out performing the Lakers. It is worth asking how a team with seemingly lesser talent, or at least lesser high end talent, is playing better.


Laker fans gonna start sounding like cowboy fans soon. “Remember when”
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:27 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:29 am    Post subject:

i'm gonna give you til the count of 10 to get your ugly, yella, no good Clippers post off of lakers lounge
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:32 am    Post subject:

I had to read the tagline a couple extra times. I thought he couldn't have written that the Clippers were more successful than the Lakers.

Wheeee. No.

Maybe the Clipper franchise has had some comparative success in the near-term but wow, they basically are not successful. That's evidenced by their having started a roster overhaul a couple seasons back that hasn't paid any results so far. They're just a decent franchise.

By contrast and in rather short order too, I think that the Clippers and the Lakers will basically change positions and pass each other in the Western conference rankings this season. The Clips will be dropping and the Lakers rising. Comparative success ? Gone like the proverbial Clipper f*rt in the wind.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:36 am    Post subject:

Ziggy wrote:
defense wrote:
Lol Clippers are a laughing stock

O championships


They're good this year, as they have been in the past, but honestly they have a different vibe now. New owner, Jerry West, a seasoned championship coach, no more CP3 running amok in the locker room. No egos on that team. They really did a nice job cleaning house. They won't finish as the top seed but we'll definitely be competing with them for free agents this summer. They set the table nicely.


Bingo, and this is my concern. Why would available big time FAs come to the Lakers when they have a much better franchise in the Clippers? And forget the past Lakers Championships, we've already learned that free agents aren't impressed.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:37 am    Post subject:

YSong wrote:
Because as fans we overrate our young guys. Also Doc is a much better motivator and coach than Luke.


THIS!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:39 am    Post subject:

1. The Lakers have a placeholder roster. Other than Lebron, no one is guaranteed to be on the roster when training camp opens next fall. We dumped assets for cap space and then signed mercenaries to one-year contracts.

2. #1 probably affects the mentality and commitment of the team in ways that are not visible. Most of these players have no incentive to buy into anything. They are playing for their next contract.

3. Some of the mercenaries played better than expected (McGee), others did not (Beasley). The preseason pronouncements about how we had the best bench in the league just seem comical now.

4. None of our young players have made a jump this year. The arrival of Lebron and the signing of the freak show of mercenaries means that the development of the kids is no longer the primary focus.

By the all-star break, we should be doing better. We can make a run at a 50 win season. But it should come as no surprise that this team did not immediately gel into a contender.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:44 am    Post subject:

1) It's still early in the season

2) Continuity - Lebron changes everything around him and the Lakers have a few guys who don't fit (yet)

3) The Clippers play harder night in and night out

4) The Lakers have more net negative main rotation players than the Clippers
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:44 am    Post subject:

They have better vets than we do and seem to be better defensively. If Gallo stays healthy, they should be a playoff team.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:44 am    Post subject:

They have zero pressure on them. and I mean ZERO. even with CP, black and DJ. they still didnt have as much pressure as those 3 would have had if they were all in laker uniforms. we assume the worse when we think about the clippers. the lakers we assume the best. This is the #1 difference. you take away any and all pressure players/coaches/FO's usually perform a lot better because there is nothing making them over think it, over do it, or try to hard. they can go along and a nice slow steady pace and their fans wont care. not so for the lakers. There's a reason we went thru so many coaches in so little time. There's a reason our young guys have had trade bait on their back the entire time they were here from the moment they were drafted til now. not so with any clipper.

We want to win NOW. period. That means everyone, including the FO has to accelerate every process to push that agenda. the clippers do not and have never had to deal with that.

Right now, even though we know this team TODAY isnt championship caliber. fans on this very board are trying to find away to make us championship ready RIGHT NOW. no one is doing that when talking about the clippers. no one.

Now lets get into the nitty gritty. when you are not rushing to win it all. you can develop talent and a snails pace, you can also pick up Free agents that will help your team win games during the season(but probably not come playoff time.) and no one on your fanbase will care.

You can't do that as a laker. every FA signing you do is either for a super star or for a 1 year rental to save a spot for an addlt star. WHY not just put together a solid team? because the lakers FO / Ownership knows better than that. they know winning like no other franchise since the 80s. They know putting together just a solid team will only get you wins and a playoff spot to take that L come playoff time before you reach the WCF's.

Which one of you think the clippers are ready to be in the WCF's if all of the top teams are healthy? NO ONE does. no matter the clippers current record and the WC standings.

Anyone remember that hawks team from a few years back that balled out during the season and completely flamed out come playoff time? well that happens every season with one of these unknown teams. i think the clippers will be one of those teams barring injury to certain teams they may have to see come playoff time. this means, they are a solid team but nothing else. so that means to you laker fans, do you want to invest a lot of time and energy in a solid team that will never win anything? or would you rather try and push for a ring team? I think we can all agree on the later. and there in lies the problem when comparing the lakers to the clippers. its apples and cotton candy. not a comparison.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:45 am    Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
1. The Lakers have a placeholder roster. Other than Lebron, no one is guaranteed to be on the roster when training camp opens next fall. We dumped assets for cap space and then signed mercenaries to one-year contracts.

2. #1 probably affects the mentality and commitment of the team in ways that are not visible. Most of these players have no incentive to buy into anything. They are playing for their next contract.

3. Some of the mercenaries played better than expected (McGee), others did not (Beasley). The preseason pronouncements about how we had the best bench in the league just seem comical now.

4. None of our young players have made a jump this year. The arrival of Lebron and the signing of the freak show of mercenaries means that the development of the kids is no longer the primary focus.

By the all-star break, we should be doing better. We can make a run at a 50 win season. But it should come as no surprise that this team did not immediately gel into a contender.


Interesting.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:46 am    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
1) It's still early in the season

2) Continuity - Lebron changes everything around him and the Lakers have a few guys who don't fit (yet)

3) The Clippers play harder night in and night out

4) The Lakers have more net negative main rotation players than the Clippers


But I would think that young players hungry to establish themselves, and 1-year players going from contracts next season would be the ones playing hard game in and game out.
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