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la4win
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| Clippers are going fast to nowhere. If they can sign a top player, we can talk. They will come back to earth soon and be in position of irrelevant. Btw, when are they getting their own place? Need to kick them out. |
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KingKobe20
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:26 am Post subject: |
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All this hoopla on the Clippers and yet we are still only 3 games behind them at the 7th seed  |
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Steve007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:08 am Post subject: Re: Why are the Clippers more successful than us? |
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| troy wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | troy wrote: | We haven't even come close to the success the Clippers have had in the past few years, but they had quality players then and we didn't.
But this year, we have our high drafted young core, all of them with NBA experience under their belt. We have the best player in the game in Lebron James. We have finals-proven vets on our roster. We have a legendary champion in the front office. And we have lots of money.
Yet, the Clippers constantly perform better than us. Why? |
The past few years they've had Chris Paul, Blake Griffin and Deandre Jordan. Even so, they never got passed the first or second round. If the Lakers and the Clippers success had been reversed, people would simply be complaining about our lack of playoff success. |
You forget that the Clippers had a winning record against the Warriors in the past few years, and if not for a few key injuries and some bad luck, the Clippers would have been a finals team.
Lakers fans tend to dismiss the success of the Clippers simply because they're the Clippers. I think not. And now, with Lebron on our team and all these heralded 2nd round picks, I see my Lakers hovering around the 8th spot with a near .500 record, and those same Clippers with NO Paul, NO Griffen, and NO Jordan...up there at the #1 spot. |
The Clippers have not had a winning record against the Warriors since Steve Kerr became the head coach. The Warriors kept beating them over and over again and had a big winning streak against them. The Clippers only started winning some games when Golden State was missing key players.
The Clippers were never the best team in the West. That’s a big reason why they never were higher than a 3 seed and never made it past the second round.
They were not that close to being a Finals team. If they made the conference finals, they would have ran into tougher competition than the teams they lost to in the first or second round. And I never thought they had much of a chance against Miami. |
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troy
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| SGVL1 wrote: | Doc >>>>>>> Luke.
Beverley is a pittbull and has rubbed off on them. Our guys have their own agenda (Lebron included). |
Interesting. Can you elaborate? |
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RI Laker
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| We are lucky, because when the Clippers roster was packed, they had Doc to bring them down. Most over hyped coach in the league. If they had a different coach, they may have put up a banner or two. They are now done. Who says they are more successful than us. Its how you end the race, not how you start. They will ALWAYS be our bastard step children. |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| la4win wrote: | | Clippers are going fast to nowhere. If they can sign a top player, we can talk. They will come back to earth soon and be in position of irrelevant. Btw, when are they getting their own place? Need to kick them out. |
Yeah, the Lakers don’t own Staples so they won’t be kicking anyone out.
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| RI Laker wrote: | | We are lucky, because when the Clippers roster was packed, they had Doc to bring them down. Most over hyped coach in the league. If they had a different coach, they may have put up a banner or two. They are now done. Who says they are more successful than us. Its how you end the race, not how you start. They will ALWAYS be our bastard step children. |
They play defense so they already have the advantage. Even an unathletic vet like Galinari plays D. Lebron can’t be bothered to give effort on that end of the floor. If our players had their mindset maybe we would be in first place.
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Joe Pesci
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As a basketball ops guy Jerry West is no damn joke people.
Have you all heard the rumored story of him threatening to quit if the Warriors traded Thompson for Love? Apparently everyone else in the room was down to acquire Love except him, so he lost it.
Long-story short: They respected his opinion so much that they listened ... and hung four banners.
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LakerSD
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | As a basketball ops guy Jerry West is no damn joke people.
Have you all heard the rumored story of him threatening to quit if the Warriors traded Thompson for Love? Apparently everyone else in the room was down to acquire Love except him, so he lost it.
Long-story short: They respected his opinion so much that they listened ... and hung four banners. |
He’s the real deal. Not many executives would have the balls to tell their owner that your newly signed (to long-term deal) franchise player is not the one.
Gets rid of Blake and gets great return
They let DeAndre go
Even the CP3 trade netted them key contributors Lou, Harrell and Beverly.
Jerry West is a boss. Shame egos got in the way because now the clippers are reaping the benefits. |
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BadGuy
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| How many championships have the Clippers won? |
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Bol
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| Apparently you get a trophy now for going 14-6. Good deal. |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | As a basketball ops guy Jerry West is no damn joke people.
Have you all heard the rumored story of him threatening to quit if the Warriors traded Thompson for Love? Apparently everyone else in the room was down to acquire Love except him, so he lost it.
Long-story short: They respected his opinion so much that they listened ... and hung four banners. |
Where he gets the most credit is in constructing the Warriors FO. Putting together the nuts and bolts. We could have used that, it took us a year to hire an analytics guy and we still don’t have a shooting coach.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | As a basketball ops guy Jerry West is no damn joke people.
Have you all heard the rumored story of him threatening to quit if the Warriors traded Thompson for Love? Apparently everyone else in the room was down to acquire Love except him, so he lost it.
Long-story short: They respected his opinion so much that they listened ... and hung four banners. |
He’s the real deal. Not many executives would have the balls to tell their owner that your newly signed (to long-term deal) franchise player is not the one.
Gets rid of Blake and gets great return
They let DeAndre go
Even the CP3 trade netted them key contributors Lou, Harrell and Beverly.
Jerry West is a boss. Shame egos got in the way because now the clippers are reaping the benefits. |
Agreed, Lakers are a rudderless ship right now until that second star signs up  |
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LakerSD
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| Bol wrote: | | Apparently you get a trophy now for going 14-6. Good deal. |
I don’t think that’s the point. Seing the Clippers fail in epic fashion is so much fun.
It’s just that now they aren’t a joke anymore because West brings credibility combined with Ballmer’s deep pockets. The Lakers have competition now, this isn’t the joke clippers anymore, although I would love to see another epic fail. I just think they have staying power in the playoff chase.
Stars win in the playoffs so I don’t see them as a championship threat, but they are set up to possible land star(s) this summer.
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LakerSD
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| bandiger wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | As a basketball ops guy Jerry West is no damn joke people.
Have you all heard the rumored story of him threatening to quit if the Warriors traded Thompson for Love? Apparently everyone else in the room was down to acquire Love except him, so he lost it.
Long-story short: They respected his opinion so much that they listened ... and hung four banners. |
He’s the real deal. Not many executives would have the balls to tell their owner that your newly signed (to long-term deal) franchise player is not the one.
Gets rid of Blake and gets great return
They let DeAndre go
Even the CP3 trade netted them key contributors Lou, Harrell and Beverly.
Jerry West is a boss. Shame egos got in the way because now the clippers are reaping the benefits. |
Agreed, Lakers are a rudderless ship right now until that second star signs up |
Pretty clear that we need to nail that 2nd Max FA...and get some (bleep) shooters while we are at it. I’m tired of seeing all these other teams drill 3s while we hope and pray for a hot night from someone like KCP or Hart. |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | bandiger wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | As a basketball ops guy Jerry West is no damn joke people.
Have you all heard the rumored story of him threatening to quit if the Warriors traded Thompson for Love? Apparently everyone else in the room was down to acquire Love except him, so he lost it.
Long-story short: They respected his opinion so much that they listened ... and hung four banners. |
He’s the real deal. Not many executives would have the balls to tell their owner that your newly signed (to long-term deal) franchise player is not the one.
Gets rid of Blake and gets great return
They let DeAndre go
Even the CP3 trade netted them key contributors Lou, Harrell and Beverly.
Jerry West is a boss. Shame egos got in the way because now the clippers are reaping the benefits. |
Agreed, Lakers are a rudderless ship right now until that second star signs up |
Pretty clear that we need to nail that 2nd Max FA...and get some (bleep) shooters while we are at it. I’m tired of seeing all these other teams drill 3s while we hope and pray for a hot night from someone like KCP or Hart. |
I don't disagree we need better shooting from 3, but, I feel like we're putting more of an emphasis on it as a single point of failure.
The OKC Thunder are the worst 3pt shooting team in the league despite being in the top half in attempts, had no Westbrook for most of this young season, and are still 13-7.
So the shooting is a reason, but our problems go beyond that as well. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | la4win wrote: | | Clippers are going fast to nowhere. If they can sign a top player, we can talk. They will come back to earth soon and be in position of irrelevant. Btw, when are they getting their own place? Need to kick them out. |
Yeah, the Lakers don’t own Staples so they won’t be kicking anyone out. |
Staples center is owned by AEG, who besides owning the kings, owns a share of the lakers. If anyone would politely be forced out of staples it would most certainly be the Clippers. If the Buss kids ever sell, phil Anshcultz of AEG gets first dibs on purchase. In regards to staples:
Kings are owners, Lakers are renters, clippers are squatters...
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| LakerSD wrote: | | Bol wrote: | | Apparently you get a trophy now for going 14-6. Good deal. |
I don’t think that’s the point. Seing the Clippers fail in epic fashion is so much fun.
It’s just that now they aren’t a joke anymore because West brings credibility combined with Ballmer’s deep pockets. The Lakers have competition now, this isn’t the joke clippers anymore, although I would love to see another epic fail. I just think they have staying power in the playoff chase.
Stars win in the playoffs so I don’t see them as a championship threat, but they are set up to possible land star(s) this summer. |
It's going to take some time for people in Southern California to adjust to the idea that Donald Sterling is gone and that the Clippers are not regarded as a joke around the league any more. That's understandable. The question is whether potential free agents view the Clippers as a serious destination. We shall see. |
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lakersboy
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:41 am Post subject: |
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Jerry West.
The Clippers unloaded 3 stars, and that usually means being in the lotto. They traded well, drafted well, and mixed defensive guys like Beverly, with offensive guys Lou, and their chemistry is balanced.
The Lakers milked Pau past his prime, then allowed him to walk, and now Julius, while continuing to bank on a big name or 2 to save them and their not yet fully developed young talent.
This team misses Julius badly. He could have been traded last year year for something valuable. |
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lakersboy
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | Bol wrote: | | Apparently you get a trophy now for going 14-6. Good deal. |
I don’t think that’s the point. Seing the Clippers fail in epic fashion is so much fun.
It’s just that now they aren’t a joke anymore because West brings credibility combined with Ballmer’s deep pockets. The Lakers have competition now, this isn’t the joke clippers anymore, although I would love to see another epic fail. I just think they have staying power in the playoff chase.
Stars win in the playoffs so I don’t see them as a championship threat, but they are set up to possible land star(s) this summer. |
It's going to take some time for people in Southern California to adjust to the idea that Donald Sterling is gone and that the Clippers are not regarded as a joke around the league any more. That's understandable. The question is whether potential free agents view the Clippers as a serious destination. We shall see. |
At this point, there's no reason for them not to be viewed as a serious destination. It's only a question of whether they're a preferred destination. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| its because we had 3 #2 picks in the draft and we didnt ace a single 1. |
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lakersboy
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | its because we had 3 #2 picks in the draft and we didnt ace a single 1. |
The Clippers haven't had anywhere near the draft opportunities the Lakers have. |
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tony
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| Treadmill. What they should be doing is tanking and trying to land Zion. They'll regress to means by mid-season and end up 8-10 and will regret winning all these games early on |
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| eddiejonze wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | la4win wrote: | | Clippers are going fast to nowhere. If they can sign a top player, we can talk. They will come back to earth soon and be in position of irrelevant. Btw, when are they getting their own place? Need to kick them out. |
Yeah, the Lakers don’t own Staples so they won’t be kicking anyone out. |
Staples center is owned by AEG, who besides owning the kings, owns a share of the lakers. If anyone would politely be forced out of staples it would most certainly be the Clippers. If the Buss kids ever sell, phil Anshcultz of AEG gets first dibs on purchase. In regards to staples:
Kings are owners, Lakers are renters, clippers are squatters... |
And this is why the Lakers get more shared revenue from Staples Center. The Buss family sold 25% of the team to make it their home. They are in effect a partner in the venture while the Clippers were basically like that house guest who had no home and needed a place to crash. |
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troy
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | Bol wrote: | | Apparently you get a trophy now for going 14-6. Good deal. |
I don’t think that’s the point. Seing the Clippers fail in epic fashion is so much fun.
It’s just that now they aren’t a joke anymore because West brings credibility combined with Ballmer’s deep pockets. The Lakers have competition now, this isn’t the joke clippers anymore, although I would love to see another epic fail. I just think they have staying power in the playoff chase.
Stars win in the playoffs so I don’t see them as a championship threat, but they are set up to possible land star(s) this summer. |
It's going to take some time for people in Southern California to adjust to the idea that Donald Sterling is gone and that the Clippers are not regarded as a joke around the league any more. That's understandable. The question is whether potential free agents view the Clippers as a serious destination. We shall see. |
It apparently is also quite the challenge for certain fans to realize that, in comparison to the Lakers, the Clippers have been the better team, have attracted better players, and have had better front office leadership for almost the past 7 years.
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