I don't see any outstanding scoring maven ready to help LeBron on this roster, except for the possibility that Kuzma finds a latent aggressiveness again. It's to be a complementary set of two or three scorers of the mid-teen PPG production, several of them actually, and no one guy this season likely the standout "second" option. It's who the team is, as composed.
Serge Ibaka 16.6, Toronto 18-4
Khris Middleton 19.0, Milwaukee 14-6
Danilo Gallinari 18.6, Clippers 13-6
Kevin Durant 29.2, Golden State 15-7
Gary Harris 16.8, Denver 14-7
Jimmy Butler 20.3, Philly 14-8
Russell Westbrook 23.2, OKC 12-7
Bojan Bogdanovic 15.6, Indiana 13-8
Andre Drummond 18.7, Detroit 11-7
CJ McCollum 21.1, Portland 12-8
Marc Gasol 18.5, Memphis 12-8
Kyle Kuzma 16.7, Lakers 11-9
Jayson Tatum 16.4, Boston 11-10
LaMarcus Aldridge 18.1, San Antonio 10-10
DeAaron Fox 17.5, Sacramento 10-10
Jeremy Lamb 14.6, Charlotte 10-10
Harrison Barnes 17.1, Dallas 9-9
Aaron Gordon 16.1, Orlando 10-11
Jrue Holiday 19.7, New Orleans 10-11
Derrick Rose 19.1, Minnesota 10-11
Chris Paul 17.9, Houston 9-10
Rudy Gobert 15.0, Utah 9-12
John Wall 21.7, Washington 8-12
D'Angelo Russell 17.8, Brooklyn 8-13
Goran Dragic 16.3, Miami 7-13
Enes Kanter 15.2, New York 7-15
Taurean Prince 15.3, Atlanta 5-16
Jabari Parker 16.3, Chicago 5-16
Jordan Clarkson 15.5, Cleveland 4-15
TJ Warren 17.8, Phoenix 4-16
I think the second option issue has been overstated. Not that you don't want another star... but there are three teams in the top ten without a #2 option better than Kuzma... including the team with the best record.
I think our problem is overall FG%... lack of a great interior presence... as well as 3 point shooting and FTs.
I think we could have the same team, but signed a rebounder and a sharpshooter... instead of players like KCP, Lance, Beasley... and we would be fine. I still think KCP can become good by the end of the season... but he's always been known as streaky... so we knew this when we signed him.
That money would have been better spent on a specialist.
I hate to say it, but all the Randle complainers were right... never was he missed more than last night. He's not good by himself because he can't rim protect... but he'd work well with McGee and Chandler. McGee is too weak, and Chandler is too old to keep up with stronger interior players like Millsap.
If KCP or Svi starts shooting... then I think we are only missing the rebounder... unless somehow Mo has some hidden ability in that area.
This is why I don't think Beal is necessarily the solution. We need his shooting, but not at the expense of sacrificing cap space that can be used to sign a quality center or power forward.
Better to get a good shooter and a bully ball big next season for 15 million each than a mediocre max player. As Adkindo proposed... maybe even DLO and Randle at discounts would be better than Beal.
But the second option thing is being overemphasized.
All the teams with great second options, other than GSW, haven't done sh*t in the playoffs. Better to have balanced scoring like Denver or Toronto have... with multiple players scoring 15 and one star.
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Hart is not even close to the talent of these 3 players. Not to mention Hart is probably the worst defender in the bunch
You're kidding, right?
Hart, when healthy, has been the most consistent of all the four-core. He can defend bigger players, he's a decent rebounder, and he shoots a higher percentage from 3-point distance that those three.
should be kcp. but everyone will complain.
of the young guys, it should be BI. But he has to work out his issues.
in reality, we are forcing kuzz to be #2. I dont think thats the best, but thats the plan for now (until he gets traded).
Kawhi Leonard. Though with the way the Clippers are playing, I wouldn't be surprised if he signed with them. Then we'd just have to steal either KD or Klay from the Warriors. That's gonna be our legit 2nd option. _________________ LeGoat! LeMazing! LeGend!
So frustrating watching a team who lacks three point shooting and doesn’t get to the line much at all. The. Again when they do get to the line nobody can Make 2 free throws anyway.
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When I watch Ingram play and the way he's able to get to the rim, create his own shot in the midrange, attack in transition when he wants to and even (occasionally) hit 3s, I wonder why he can't score 20-22 a game. Obviously his game needs some more refinement, but Lebron isn't preventing anyone on this team from scoring points like that. Kyrie Irving averaged 25 a game for a whole season next to Lebron in 2016-17. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
When I watch Ingram play and the way he's able to get to the rim, create his own shot in the midrange, attack in transition when he wants to and even (occasionally) hit 3s, I wonder why he can't score 20-22 a game. Obviously his game needs some more refinement, but Lebron isn't preventing anyone on this team from scoring points like that. Kyrie Irving averaged 25 a game for a whole season next to Lebron in 2016-17.
They've got 3 guys playing the same game. If either Kuz or Ingram got traded... I think the other would start scoring 20... but it would be nice if one would start hitting from deep so they'd compliment each other better.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:26 pm Post subject:
Sentient Meat wrote:
slavavov wrote:
When I watch Ingram play and the way he's able to get to the rim, create his own shot in the midrange, attack in transition when he wants to and even (occasionally) hit 3s, I wonder why he can't score 20-22 a game. Obviously his game needs some more refinement, but Lebron isn't preventing anyone on this team from scoring points like that. Kyrie Irving averaged 25 a game for a whole season next to Lebron in 2016-17.
They've got 3 guys playing the same game. If either Kuz or Ingram got traded... I think the other would start scoring 20... but it would be nice if one would start hitting from deep so they'd compliment each other better.
I don't think Ingram and Kuzma play the same kind of game. One guy thrives by going iso and creating his own shot, the other moves without the ball, gets to his sweet spot, then gets the ball, maybe takes a few dribbles and shoots.
We don't need to trade one for the other to drop 20 a game. We play at a much faster pace than any of Lebron's past teams. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
When I watch Ingram play and the way he's able to get to the rim, create his own shot in the midrange, attack in transition when he wants to and even (occasionally) hit 3s, I wonder why he can't score 20-22 a game. Obviously his game needs some more refinement, but Lebron isn't preventing anyone on this team from scoring points like that. Kyrie Irving averaged 25 a game for a whole season next to Lebron in 2016-17.
They've got 3 guys playing the same game. If either Kuz or Ingram got traded... I think the other would start scoring 20... but it would be nice if one would start hitting from deep so they'd compliment each other better.
I don't think Ingram and Kuzma play the same kind of game. One guy thrives by going iso and creating his own shot, the other moves without the ball, gets to his sweet spot, then gets the ball, maybe takes a few dribbles and shoots.
We don't need to trade one for the other to drop 20 a game. We play at a much faster pace than any of Lebron's past teams.
I think last year, they had a better synergy because Brook was spreading the floor and Kuzma was hitting his three a lot. But because both BI and Kuz have been struggling... JaVale, LBJ, BI, and Kuz are all trying to share shots at the rim... Kuzma's lost confidence for now... and BI only feels comfortable from midrange. When LBJ started missing from deep last game... everything went to sh*t.
Either one of those three needs to start hitting their threes... or one needs to be rotated out for Hart or KCP.
I still have faith in these guys... but last game was like a worst case scenario if they don't get their shots fixed.
I think the second option issue has been overstated. Not that you don't want another star... but there are three teams in the top ten without a #2 option better than Kuzma... including the team with the best record.
Your mistake is thinking that "second scoring options" can be ranked merely by their scoring average. There's a lot more to it than that.
I think the second option issue has been overstated. Not that you don't want another star... but there are three teams in the top ten without a #2 option better than Kuzma... including the team with the best record.
Your mistake is thinking that "second scoring options" can be ranked merely by their scoring average. There's a lot more to it than that.
Of course, but I don't have time to breakdown every single player.
I'm not a paid journalist... just a message board poster killing time until the next game.
When the issue was brought up by the OP... I just quickly looked at all the second scorers and found that only a handful of teams have a great 2nd second option. Many teams function quite well with 16 point scorers.
KD for example, has inflated stats from Curry's injury... but what makes GSW so great is they have three 20 point scorers who can put up 30 if needed.
Philly has this also, though they have less depth now that they traded all their shooters and Simmons isn't quite the scorer that Joel and JB are.
CJ is a good second option... but we've beaten them twice.
Westbrook... CP3... are also superior 2nd options... but I think we can beat them if we get some of our own shooters going.
Bottom line, you'd have to write a book to study this accurately... but at a quick glance... I felt people were overstating the need for a super 2nd scorer. Obviously it helps... but I think we can wait for the bigger fish next season. Unless they all continue to shoot like garbage the rest of the year.
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