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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:17 am    Post subject: Points per Possession

Hey guys, i have a question for the stats guys in this forum. The other day i was seeing the cavs-lakers games and TT got 10 offensive rebounds, allowing the cavs to have +20 possession for the game (along with the low turnover numbers).

So my question is, nowadays we measure a player's offensive efficienciy in offrtg/100 possessions.

How do we factor the extra possessions some players get? i mean, is it better to have a 120 offrtg guy but with low offreb % and steals % or a 110 offrtg that gets 5 off rebounds and 2 steals a game?

(sorry for my english, i'm not a native speaker)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:24 am    Post subject:

The formal definition is here.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ratings.html

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In Dean's words, "Individual offensive rating is the number of points produced by a player per hundred total individual possessions. In other words, 'How many points is a player likely to generate when he tries?'"


You want the 120 Offensive Rating guy. He makes your possessions efficient.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:33 am    Post subject:

I think he’s asking how to calculate “possessions created”. Don’t think such a stat exists.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:36 am    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
I think he’s asking how to calculate “possessions created”. Don’t think such a stat exists.


yeah, something like

offrt x possessions created % (compared to average nba player)

just thought of that because the cavs shot way worse than us, but almost won the game


edit: maybe a mix of offensive rebounds, steals and turnovers.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:01 am    Post subject:

With analytical methods playing a more and more important role in training, coaching and draft/trade, AI trainer, coach and GM maybe not far away
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:09 am    Post subject:

ricardoJPC wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
I think he’s asking how to calculate “possessions created”. Don’t think such a stat exists.


yeah, something like

offrt x possessions created % (compared to average nba player)

just thought of that because the cavs shot way worse than us, but almost won the game


edit: maybe a mix of offensive rebounds, steals and turnovers.


It doesn't exist. Usually I would just look at offensive rebounding rate, steal rate, and turnover rate since that's already down to x100 possessions per game, then multiply by Offensive rating if I were to create such a stat.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:11 am    Post subject:

ricardoJPC wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
I think he’s asking how to calculate “possessions created”. Don’t think such a stat exists.


yeah, something like

offrt x possessions created % (compared to average nba player)

just thought of that because the cavs shot way worse than us, but almost won the game

edit: maybe a mix of offensive rebounds, steals and turnovers.


Well, I think to help create an answer for this question, you have to specifically define the question you wanted answered.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:28 am    Post subject:

ricardoJPC wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
I think he’s asking how to calculate “possessions created”. Don’t think such a stat exists.


yeah, something like

offrt x possessions created % (compared to average nba player)

just thought of that because the cavs shot way worse than us, but almost won the game


edit: maybe a mix of offensive rebounds, steals and turnovers.


There are components of this is the PER formula, but I don't know of anything that breaks it out as a separate statistic.
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