2019 LA Dodgers Thread

DuncanIdaho · Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:58 pm Post subject:

Also video has shown that the Astros were sign stealing when Kershaw was pitching in game 5.

ChickenStu · Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:27 am Post subject:

Many of you have brought up something really important and smart, and that is that the players were absolutely in on this and active participants in all of it. As bad as Spygate was for the NFL, as far as we know, the players didn't know about it. The players acted on the coaches and their gameplan, yes, but I don't think it's quite the same. What the Astros engaged in was actually worse.

The more I think about this, I think the penalties that are levied will be severe. The Astros' own statement doesn't even hint at denial. You almost always see some sort of defiance in these situations. (Heck, the Astros themselves even operated that way in the wake of their ALCS win this year, when they at first issued a rebuke of the female reporter's account of what the now-fired employee said.) I don't think that MLB is going to strip the Astros of their championship, but I think a lot of things will be on the table: loss of draft picks, international bonus pool money/ability to make international signings, a large monetary fine, and maybe, just maybe a prohibition on their ability to sign any free agents for at least one year.

ChickenStu · Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:14 am Post subject:

Also lost today was this little tidbit from the LA Times: we're interested in Josh Donaldson.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/story/2019-11-12/dodgers-are-among-several-teams-pursuing-free-agent-third-baseman-josh-donaldson?fbclid=IwAR2YQ5sH5osbzCGlSMNOJkccqzPbdbTBaOn8odfYImeIr09ZkTj_8q4kZpg

4stargeneralbulldog · Starting Rotation Joined: 26 Aug 2012 Posts: 739

Seems like the Astros stole the Dodgers 2017 World Series championship.

Their cheating from what I've read was very sophisticated, they knew what pitches were coming and would then relay it to the players that were at bat.

ribeye · Franchise Player Joined: 10 Nov 2001 Posts: 12630

loslakersss · Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:35 am Post subject:

Well game 5 2017 is pretty much confirmed to have signal stealing and then relays of the information (whistling) to the batter. This is horse s***. Had that game not gone that way Kershaw would have fully been redeemed and won WS MVP. But game 5 completely broke his postseason turnaround. I'm not as mad about the title as I am about them ruining a guy's confidence and legacy.

AllorNothing · Franchise Player Joined: 08 Oct 2001 Posts: 18448

Man. Sickening to think that LA got screwed.

aprevo15 · Star Player Joined: 08 Jun 2010 Posts: 5923

Damn cheaters. Just ruined what could have been a post season for the ages.

It would have been Dodgers/Cubs and Yankees/Red Sox in the championship series with Dodgers and Yankees in the World Series mostlikely. Bellinger and Judge both having great years. Just thinking about it makes me ill.

Dr. Funkbot · Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:21 am Post subject:

Dr. Funkbot · Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:21 am Post subject:

I want to now make Dodgers 2017 WS champion t-shirts!
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nickuku · Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:34 am Post subject:

I honestly don't care if they were stealing signs w/o external methods. Thats a part of the game. But its literally proven at this point that they used cameras as part of their schemes. Just look at the (bleep) home/away splits for them in the 2017 playoffs. Altuve had an OPS of 1.5 at home vs on the road and that goes for like 6 other players too. Mccan hit .037 on the road and .300 at home. Ban that organization from top to bottom for 5 years.
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DuncanIdaho · Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:32 am Post subject:

ribeye · Franchise Player Joined: 10 Nov 2001 Posts: 12630

All I know is that USC was punished so severely that the once great program, now, nearly ten years after the sanctions, has yet to recover. And this was for one dude.

Cutheon · Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:22 pm Post subject:

How does MLB not savage the Astros for this? They didn't just do this to us - in the (bleep) world series - the Astros also did this to Boston in 2017, the Yankees in 2017, the Indians in 2018, Boston in 2018, the Rays in 2019, the Yankees in 2019, the Nationals in 2019, and every single other team they beat in the last three regular seasons (311-175 w/l). and the players got rewarded to the tune of a world series, MVP awards, all-star selections, and silver sluggers. their pitchers benefitted to the tune of an absurd w/l record and cy youngs.

I'm obviously biased, but (bleep) it - I hope MLB leans into this and cripples that organization. You want to cheat for three seasons? Fine. No draft picks for the next three years, no international signings for three years, no free agents for three years, a $250 million dollar fine, and a fat (bleep) asterisk next to your season record and 2017 title.

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loslakersss · Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:53 pm Post subject:

Honestly the MLB has to issue a harsh punishment to set a precedent, no? If not and all they lose are draft picks + a $2M fine then every team is going to do it. Not to mention the pitchers/players union will have issue with this becoming an issue. Especially since this has caused guys to get sent down to AAA.

Cutheon · Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:18 pm Post subject:

Dreamshake · Franchise Player Joined: 05 May 2006 Posts: 13711

I don't know much about baseball, but it appears that the article was about cheating throughout MLB and folks are singling out Houston (I guess cuz we won)? All the examples seem to be from the regular season as well.

The #Astros stole signs electronically in 2017 - part of a much broader issue for Major League Baseball. Story with @EvanDrellich. https://theathletic.com/1363451/2019/11/12/the-astros-stole-signs-electronically-in-2017-part-of-a-much-broader-issue-for-major-league-baseball/ …

https://twitter.com/Joshstros/status/1194326043114520578?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1194326043114520578&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231194326043114520578

From what I'm reading cheating in this sport is a pretty rampant thing, others have been popped, etc. Where is all the talk of vacating titles or extreme penalties coming from? Is cheating not rampant in baseball? Have other teams not been popped for cheating? Again, I don't know much about baseball so these are legit questions.

greenfrog · Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:20 pm Post subject:

They didn't even take Braun's MVP away for juicing. Of course they're not doing anything that dramatic.

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nickuku · Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:41 pm Post subject:

loslakersss · Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:48 pm Post subject: