Wow, A.J. Preller is an idiot. He started digging himself out of that hole he created a few years ago going all in, and now he's paying nearly 50 million dollars to both Machado and Hosmer for at least the next 4-5 years and more likely the next 7-8 years. _________________
Why were teams so desperate to get him? He really didn't look that good in the World Series, playoffs, or even regular season... Turner was better. Where does Machado rank among MLB players?
The fact that it took this long for him to get a deal, and he ended up with Padres, seems to indicate that teams were not at all desperate to get him. And his antics in the postseason probably had a lot to do with that.
The only reason the Padres even had a chance at him was because they were dumb enough to give him the contract he wanted. _________________
I give it at least a 70% chance that Machado mails it in now that he has this huge deal locked in. _________________ one dog goes that way the other dog goes the other way
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Yep they probably figure its worth it for them even if he only shows up for half the duration of that contract. The Padres haven't been relevant in ages so this is probably the shakeup they needed.
I give it at least a 70% chance that Machado mails it in now that he has this huge deal locked it.
He probably will, but it is still a horrible deal because all of these 10 year deals always look bad in the long run.
Maybe the Padres get a bit more out of him than some of these other 10 year deals we've seen because he's younger, but there's no doubt in my mind that the contract will be toxic before it finishes.
Yep they probably figure its worth it for them even if he only shows up for half the duration of that contract. The Padres haven't been relevant in ages so this is probably the shakeup they needed.
How'd those Matt Kemp and James Shields additions work for them?
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:37 am Post subject:
I am not an expert in baseball CBA issues, player valuations, etc., and I am sure that will catch many of you off guard since I am seen very much an expert in the business of basketball . If I was a GM, as a general rule, I am not giving out 10 year contracts of guaranteed money. I would think 6 or 7 years max....and that will still always be very risky for guaranteed money for an athlete.
If I were the Padres, I would've much rather have spent big money on an impact starter like Keuchel. They can acquire all the offensive firepower they want, but until their young starters either grow up or they sign a starter or two that can hold their own, they aren't going anywhere. Their starting rotation is hot garbage. _________________
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:40 am Post subject:
PHILosophize wrote:
I give it at least a 70% chance that Machado mails it in now that he has this huge deal locked in.
You know, I don't think so. He'll keep doing what he's been doing. It's not like he's a crazy hustling type and never has been. His natural talent might allow him to average .290-35-100 in his prime. If he stays healthy, I mean, he'll pile up numbers. I wonder if his early-career knee issues changed his philosophy in terms of playing all-out.
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:41 am Post subject:
adkindo wrote:
I am not an expert in baseball CBA issues, player valuations, etc., and I am sure that will catch many of you off guard since I am seen very much an expert in the business of basketball . If I was a GM, as a general rule, I am not giving out 10 year contracts of guaranteed money. I would think 6 or 7 years max....and that will still always be very risky for guaranteed money for an athlete.
Definitely risky, but this is what a team like the Padres has to do to get a player of Machado's talent level. They had to throw out a huge offer. I certainly see the argument that such a deal is simply not worth it, however, but the Padres hardly have any money on their books going forward, even with the Hosmer deal.
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:43 am Post subject:
srm90 wrote:
If I were the Padres, I would've much rather have spent big money on an impact starter like Keuchel. They can acquire all the offensive firepower they want, but until their young starters either grow up or they sign a starter or two that can hold their own, they aren't going anywhere. Their starting rotation is hot garbage.
The Cubs had no starting pitching, it appeared, when they signed Jon Lester. And they had a decent starting rotation almost overnight, and the next year they had one of the best rotations in baseball. It can change pretty quickly. Clearly, though, they don't have good starting pitching right now, I agree. And it remains to be seen if Padres ownership will spend heavily on a starting rotation. Perhaps if they look ready to contend, they will.
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Why didn't the Dodgers seem to make a serious attempt to retain Machado and have him or Seager play 2nd instead of Shortstop? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:15 am Post subject:
ExPatLkrFan wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Why didn't the Dodgers seem to make a serious attempt to retain Machado and have him or Seager play 2nd instead of Shortstop?
Because he's not 299 million better than Kike Hernandez and Chris Taylor combined
Also, quite importantly, his tenure here didn't go swimmingly. If he had been a fantastic fit, perhaps they would have felt differently. I think it was quite mutual that both sides were going to move on.
Why didn't the Dodgers seem to make a serious attempt to retain Machado and have him or Seager play 2nd instead of Shortstop?
Dodgers needs are more towards pitching. They already have hitters, even better they have ones under salary control.
If the Dodgers' needs are pitching, I just wonder where do think the other teams sit. Bleacher Report and MLB both rank the Dodgers' starters as being the second best rotations, though neither of these agree on the number one team rotation. When your sixth guy is Urias, and your seventh is Stripling, you've got some depth. Bullpens always have some question marks but then with a healthy Jensen, with Baez, Caleb, and Joe Kelly, this could be a good one.
But yes, the position players look to be solid. The only position where the team is weak, is catcher, and the pick-ins' were slim to none, unless one wanted to overpay. Besides they have three pretty good ones in the minors looking to break out. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:41 pm Post subject:
adkindo wrote:
why has there been basically no news about Dallas Keuchel or Craig Kimbrel in months?
There are some very concerning issues with Kimbrel. He wants a 5-year deal but he might only be good for one or two more years. I think if he were willing to go on a 2 or even 3-year deal, he'd see some suitors.
Keuchel has the same concerns with the term length.
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. If I was a GM, as a general rule, I am not giving out 10 year contracts of guaranteed money. I would think 6 or 7 years max....and that will still always be very risky for guaranteed money for an athlete.
