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epak Retired Number
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ChickenStu wrote: | Watch the Dodgers give 34-year-old Donaldson 4 years for over $30MM per. Nope, won't give the 30-year-old (next year) Rendon 7 years, but let's pay for a guy's age 34/35/36/37 seasons who isn't as good! We save money, yay!
Seriously, he has a somewhat checkered recent injury history, so I guess he fits into what Friedman looks for perfectly.
Yes, I'm annoyed at the Dodgers right now. Forgive the rant. |
Lindor, Hand and Kluber for Seager, May, Joc, Ruiz? |
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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:19 am Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | ChickenStu wrote: | Watch the Dodgers give 34-year-old Donaldson 4 years for over $30MM per. Nope, won't give the 30-year-old (next year) Rendon 7 years, but let's pay for a guy's age 34/35/36/37 seasons who isn't as good! We save money, yay!
Seriously, he has a somewhat checkered recent injury history, so I guess he fits into what Friedman looks for perfectly.
Yes, I'm annoyed at the Dodgers right now. Forgive the rant. |
Lindor, Hand and Kluber for Seager, May, Joc, Ruiz? |
Yeah, I would do that. A superstar SS, a star closer, and a (slightly risky) #2 starter. I'm willing to bet that Kluber's troubles last year were due to the comebacker off his forearm, and he is a good bet to rebound to ace or near-ace levels. And his contract is not prohibitive at all.
I do wonder if the Dodgers are trying to expand any potential Lindor acquisition to include Hand or one of Kluber/Carrasco. I doubt that Cleveland would move Clevenger, and certainly not Bieber since he has so much team control left. |
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ChickenStu wrote: | Watch the Dodgers give 34-year-old Donaldson 4 years for over $30MM per. Nope, won't give the 30-year-old (next year) Rendon 7 years, but let's pay for a guy's age 34/35/36/37 seasons who isn't as good! We save money, yay!
Seriously, he has a somewhat checkered recent injury history, so I guess he fits into what Friedman looks for perfectly.
Yes, I'm annoyed at the Dodgers right now. Forgive the rant. |
Yep, the Dodgers sure love to pick guys out of the refurbished pile. _________________ KOBE |
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DrWolf Starting Rotation
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I gotta say that the dodgers are the exact definition of insanity. Trying the same roster thinking they'll win with the exact same team. At this point i dont see why the front office doesnt clean house. _________________ Indianapolis Colts
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DrWolf wrote: | I gotta say that the dodgers are the exact definition of insanity. Trying the same roster thinking they'll win with the exact same team. At this point i dont see why the front office doesnt clean house. |
tell me about it. last regular season's success might be the worst thing that could happen to this franchise. it gave ownership and front office the false hope of maybe we can squeeze out one more season with this group. |
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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ChickenStu wrote: | Would've rather tendered Yimi instead of Alexander and Barnes, who are basically straight garbage. |
This is why they tendered Barnes. He still has value:
Quote: | The Astros have asked the Dodgers about catcher Austin Barnes, Jorge Castillo of the L.A. Times reports (via Twitter), as Houston likes Barnes’ pitch-framing ability. It wasn’t long ago that Barnes seemed to be in line to be the Dodgers’ catcher of the future, though after hitting only .204/.311/.316 over 480 plate appearances in 2018-19, Barnes has firmly fallen behind Will Smith on the depth chart. Plus, Los Angeles has Keibert Ruiz on the way up as another blue chip catching prospect, making Barnes all the more potentially expendable. StatCorner and Baseball Prospectus do indeed give Barnes high grades for his framing, with BP also grading his blocking ability as generally above average. Barnes is signed for $1.1MM in 2020 and is arbitration-controlled through 2022, though he isn’t a youngster, as he turns 30 at the end of December.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/astros-notes-correa-mets-toro-barnes.html |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:18 am Post subject: |
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Is it too much to ask for a right handed bat? |
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greenfrog Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:29 am Post subject: |
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ChickenStu wrote: | Watch the Dodgers give 34-year-old Donaldson 4 years for over $30MM per. Nope, won't give the 30-year-old (next year) Rendon 7 years, but let's pay for a guy's age 34/35/36/37 seasons who isn't as good! We save money, yay!
Seriously, he has a somewhat checkered recent injury history, so I guess he fits into what Friedman looks for perfectly.
Yes, I'm annoyed at the Dodgers right now. Forgive the rant. |
I wish I could be annoyed but the outcome was so predictable. The problem is Friedman. He's so in love with money ball and contrarianism he'll never do the pedestrian, obvious thing.
At this point I'm just hoping he doesn't pull another Pollack out of his hat. |
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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greenfrog wrote: | I wish I could be annoyed but the outcome was so predictable. |
Exactly. Deep down, everyone knew we were just going to bid high enough to come in 2nd. We've never won a bidding war for any high level free agent. NEVER under this current regime.
It just doesn't happen. And it'll be the same next year and the year after that. We just don't win bidding wars. |
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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DrWolf wrote: | I gotta say that the dodgers are the exact definition of insanity. Trying the same roster thinking they'll win with the exact same team. At this point i dont see why the front office doesnt clean house. |
Cleaning house would be insanity. |
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Mark_in_Tulsa Franchise Player
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Arenado>Rendon _________________ Think about how stupid the avg. person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:35 am Post subject: |
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epak wrote: |
Lindor, Hand and Kluber for Seager, May, Joc, Ruiz? |
I thought that looked solid....but the baseball trade simulator suggests the Dodgers would be getting screwed.
Quote: | Name Position MTV ($Ms)
Hand - LHRP - 3.6
Kluber - SP - 2.7
Lindor - SS - 63.4
Total Value: 69.70 |
Quote: | Name Position MTV ($Ms)
May - SP - 61.4
Pederson - OF - 12.7
Ruiz - C - 50.6
Seager - SS - 57.6
Total Value: 182.30 |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Mark_in_Tulsa wrote: | Arenado>Rendon |
in my opinion, Arenado> all other MLB 3rd Basemen |
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SGV-Laker fan Star Player
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why the name of Arenado came up? is he a free agent? are the Rockies even consider moving him? he was billed as their franchise player just a couple years back.
imo Arenado's body of work is better than Rendon. rendon had been a solid player up until last year when he became a mvp caliber player, one year of accomplishment is kind of sketchy. no, i'm not sourgraping. |
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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Quote: | Yankees, Mets, and Dodgers among teams pursuing Josh Hader trade, per report
The Brewers are seeking a significant return and a deal is characterized as unlikely.
In a follow up piece in the Athletic, Rosenthal identified the Yankees as the most active pursuer of Hader, but he notes that a deal with any club is unlikely. Milwaukee would want a lot to deal Josh Hader. The question is how much would another team be willing to give up. The only comparable swap in the last five years would be the Aroldis Chapman trade between the Yankees and Chicago Cubs that netted the Yankees Gleyber Torres plus three other prospects, and that trade was made at the trade deadline.
The Brewers are reported to be asking for a package that includes at least one top prospect. Players that would have to headline such a package from the teams Rosenthal lists might include Deivi Garcia, Gavin Lux, and Dustin May, plus more in prospect and/or MLB ready talent. Rosenthal suggests teams are hesitant to part with such assets for a reliever, even if that reliever is Josh Hader.
https://www.brewcrewball.com/2019/12/12/21012653/milwaukee-brewers-josh-hader-trade-yankees-mets-dodgers-teams-pursuing |
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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:19 am Post subject: |
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current Dodger team is the MLB version of the Lakers under Jim/Mitch LOL. always in FA and trade rumors but never came up with anyone. |
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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SGV-Laker fan wrote: | current Dodger team is the MLB version of the Lakers under Jim/Mitch LOL. always in FA and trade rumors but never came up with anyone. |
FA yes.
Trades? Seems this regime is always involved in big trades every year:
1) Dee Gordon trade to the Marlins
2) Trayce Thompson trade with the White Sox
3) Rich Hill trade with the A's
4) Yu Darvish trade with Rangers
5) Manny Machado trade with Orioles
6) Yasiel Puig trade with Reds
7) Alex Wood trade with Braves
8) Matt Kemp for Grandal trade with Padres
9) Matt Kemp for Scott Kazmir/Adrian Gonzalez trade with Braves
10) Logan Forsythe trade with Rays
Any others I've missed/forgotten? |
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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Rule 5 draft today.
Looks like we didn't lose any players. We got a player from the Cubs for our minor leagues:
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Major League Phase
Round 1
1. Tigers: RHP Rony Garcia (Yankees)
2. Orioles: RHP Brandon Bailey (Astros)
3. Marlins: RHP Sterling Sharp (Nationals' #13 prospect)
4. Royals: RHP Stephen Woods (Rays)
5. Mariners: RHP Yohan Ramirez (Astros)
6. Reds: OF Mark Payton (A's)
7. Giants: RHP Danny Jimenez (Blue Jays)
8. Phillies: SS Vimael Machin (Cubs)
9. Cubs: RHP Trevor Megill (Padres)
10. Red Sox: SS Jonathan Arauz (Astros' No. 25 prospect)
Round 2
11. Orioles: Michael Rucker (Cubs)
Triple-A Phase
Round 1
1. Tigers: RHP Ruben Garcia (Orioles)
2. Orioles: OF Cristopher Cespedes (Indians)
3. Marlins: C Julian Leon (Angels)
4. Blue Jays: RHP Hobie Harris (Yankees)
5. Mariners: C Brian O'Keefe (Cardinals)
6. Pirates: RHP Alex Aquino (Braves)
7. Padres: LHP Brady Feigl (Rangers)
8. Rockies: RHP Nate Griep (Brewers)
9. Angels: RHP Erick Julio (Rockies)
10. White Sox: RHP Will Carter (Yankees)
11. Reds: SS Michael De Leon (Rangers)
12. Giants: C Bryan Torres (Brewers)
13. Rangers: RHP Eris Filpo (Rockies)
14. Cubs: RHP Brock Stewart (Blue Jays)
15. Red Sox: RHP Raynel Espinal (Yankees)
16. Mets: RHP Adam Oller (Giants)
17. Cardinals: RHP Jordan Brink (Brewers)
18. Nationals: SS Manuel Geraldo (Giants)
19. Indians: LHP Daniel Young (Blue Jays)
20. Rays: LHP Faustino Carrera (Cubs)
21. Braves: 2B Wendell Rijo (Yankees)
22. A's: OF Jason Krizan (Mets)
23. Dodgers: INF Carlos Sepulveda (Cubs)
Round 2
24. Tigers: 2B Brian Schales (Twins)
25. Orioles: 2B Wilbis Santiago (Indians)
26. Mariners: CF Jhonny Santos (Marlins)
27. Rockies: RHP Michael Petersen (Brewers)
28. Angels: OF Edwin Yon (Reds)
29. Reds: RHP Miguel Figueroa (Giants)
30. Rangers: RHP Andriu Marin (Twins)
31. Cubs: OF Jerrick Suiter (Pirates)
32. Red Sox: RHP Jose Espada (Blue Jays)
33. Cardinals: RHP Enrique Saldana (Rockies)
34. Indians: RHP Jhon Peluffo (Orioles)
35. A's: C Jose Colina (Indians)
Round 3
36. Mariners: 1B Daniel Gomez (Cardinals)
37. Angels: OF Pedro Diaz (Rays)
38. Cubs: OF Vance Vizcaino (Rockies)
39. Cardinals: RHP Jacob Bosiokovic (Rockies)
40. A's: RHP Deivy Mendez (Padres)
Round 4
41. Angels: C Carlos Reina (Reds)
42. Cubs: SS David Masters (Nationals) |
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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Ralph Mason
@Ralph_MasonJr
: Dodgers are one of the most serious teams on Dellin Betances
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Ralph Mason
@Ralph_MasonJr
: There have been permutations of a CLE and LAD deal that include both Lindor and Clevinger #Dodgers #Indians |
Didn't know this about Clevinger:
Quote: | Clevinger was drafted by the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim in the fourth round of the 2011 Major League Baseball draft. He spent 2011 with the rookie-level Orem Owlz, then was promoted to the Cedar Rapids Kernels the following year, pitching in eight games. He had elbow reconstruction surgery, and as a result only pitched in three total games in 2013.
After pitching for two separate minor league organizations for the Angels in 2014, on August 7 he was traded to the Cleveland Indians for Vinnie Pestano. |
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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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LongBeachPoly wrote: | Quote: | Yankees, Mets, and Dodgers among teams pursuing Josh Hader trade, per report
The Brewers are seeking a significant return and a deal is characterized as unlikely.
In a follow up piece in the Athletic, Rosenthal identified the Yankees as the most active pursuer of Hader, but he notes that a deal with any club is unlikely. Milwaukee would want a lot to deal Josh Hader. The question is how much would another team be willing to give up. The only comparable swap in the last five years would be the Aroldis Chapman trade between the Yankees and Chicago Cubs that netted the Yankees Gleyber Torres plus three other prospects, and that trade was made at the trade deadline.
The Brewers are reported to be asking for a package that includes at least one top prospect. Players that would have to headline such a package from the teams Rosenthal lists might include Deivi Garcia, Gavin Lux, and Dustin May, plus more in prospect and/or MLB ready talent. Rosenthal suggests teams are hesitant to part with such assets for a reliever, even if that reliever is Josh Hader.
https://www.brewcrewball.com/2019/12/12/21012653/milwaukee-brewers-josh-hader-trade-yankees-mets-dodgers-teams-pursuing |
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I'll classify this under too good to be true. I'd give them Seager and May (probably Lux) in a heartbeat.
No way Kershaw even sniffs Game 5, Dave Roberts notwithstanding, if Hader was in the pen.
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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greenfrog wrote: | LongBeachPoly wrote: | Quote: | Yankees, Mets, and Dodgers among teams pursuing Josh Hader trade, per report
The Brewers are seeking a significant return and a deal is characterized as unlikely.
In a follow up piece in the Athletic, Rosenthal identified the Yankees as the most active pursuer of Hader, but he notes that a deal with any club is unlikely. Milwaukee would want a lot to deal Josh Hader. The question is how much would another team be willing to give up. The only comparable swap in the last five years would be the Aroldis Chapman trade between the Yankees and Chicago Cubs that netted the Yankees Gleyber Torres plus three other prospects, and that trade was made at the trade deadline.
The Brewers are reported to be asking for a package that includes at least one top prospect. Players that would have to headline such a package from the teams Rosenthal lists might include Deivi Garcia, Gavin Lux, and Dustin May, plus more in prospect and/or MLB ready talent. Rosenthal suggests teams are hesitant to part with such assets for a reliever, even if that reliever is Josh Hader.
https://www.brewcrewball.com/2019/12/12/21012653/milwaukee-brewers-josh-hader-trade-yankees-mets-dodgers-teams-pursuing |
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I'll classify this under too good to be true. I'd give them Seager and May (probably Lux) in a heartbeat. |
I wouldn't.
Hader was starting to lose some effectiveness last year. We don't know how long he can stay dominant.
Having control of May and Lux for the next 6 years are important for us to being able to pay Bellinger/Buehler/Muncy when the time comes.
Lux might also be insurance for Seager in 2 years.
If May develops, we could be moving forward with 3 very good young pitchers: Buehler, Urias, May |
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LongBeachPoly wrote: | greenfrog wrote: | LongBeachPoly wrote: | Quote: | Yankees, Mets, and Dodgers among teams pursuing Josh Hader trade, per report
The Brewers are seeking a significant return and a deal is characterized as unlikely.
In a follow up piece in the Athletic, Rosenthal identified the Yankees as the most active pursuer of Hader, but he notes that a deal with any club is unlikely. Milwaukee would want a lot to deal Josh Hader. The question is how much would another team be willing to give up. The only comparable swap in the last five years would be the Aroldis Chapman trade between the Yankees and Chicago Cubs that netted the Yankees Gleyber Torres plus three other prospects, and that trade was made at the trade deadline.
The Brewers are reported to be asking for a package that includes at least one top prospect. Players that would have to headline such a package from the teams Rosenthal lists might include Deivi Garcia, Gavin Lux, and Dustin May, plus more in prospect and/or MLB ready talent. Rosenthal suggests teams are hesitant to part with such assets for a reliever, even if that reliever is Josh Hader.
https://www.brewcrewball.com/2019/12/12/21012653/milwaukee-brewers-josh-hader-trade-yankees-mets-dodgers-teams-pursuing |
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I'll classify this under too good to be true. I'd give them Seager and May (probably Lux) in a heartbeat. |
I wouldn't.
Hader was starting to lose some effectiveness last year. We don't know how long he can stay dominant.
Having control of May and Lux for the next 6 years are important for us to being able to pay Bellinger/Buehler/Muncy when the time comes.
Lux might also be insurance for Seager in 2 years.
If May develops, we could be moving forward with 3 very good young pitchers: Buehler, Urias, May |
If we weren't right on the cusp of winning a championship I would agree, but the path is right there. Add a beast of a closer, and I think the drought is over. |
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^ to be fair didn't he blow the WC game to Washington? |
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loslakersss wrote: | ^ to be fair didn't he blow the WC game to Washington? |
And Rivera lost a World Series. |
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