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LongBeachPoly
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| epak wrote: | | Nolan or Rendon (just as players without taking into consideration trade pieices and contract), who you got right now in their careers? |
Where are they playing?
Arenado for his career has around an .830 OPS on the road. Last 3 yrs (2017-19) he has:
1.065 OPS at home
0.841 OPS on the road
Rendon, last 3 yrs (2017-19):
0.968 OPS at home
0.937 OPS on the road |
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epak
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Nolan or Rendon (just as players without taking into consideration trade pieices and contract), who you got right now in their careers? |
Where are they playing?
Arenado for his career has around an .830 OPS on the road. Last 3 yrs (2017-19) he has:
1.065 OPS at home
0.841 OPS on the road
Rendon, last 3 yrs (2017-19):
0.968 OPS at home
0.937 OPS on the road |
Good point about the Mile High upping his numbers. |
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LongBeachPoly
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Found this on Dodgers reddit:
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Treinen's ERA in odd years: 3.86, 3.93, 4.91
Treinen's ERA in even years: 2.49, 2.28 0.78
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ChickenStu
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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A lot of smoke that a Rendon signing with the Angels could be imminent. Maybe the Dodgers just don't have the stomach to close one of these huge free agents with Friedman. You have to be willing to overpay to land star free agents, and it's just that simple. This regime seemingly is OK spending money on iffy players that have risk as long as it isn't a long-term deal, but isn't willing to land stars if it means the contract could be awful on the back-end...even though getting that star for their prime could make the team so much better.
It's disappointing. |
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LongBeachPoly
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | A lot of smoke that a Rendon signing with the Angels could be imminent. Maybe the Dodgers just don't have the stomach to close one of these huge free agents with Friedman. You have to be willing to overpay to land star free agents, and it's just that simple. This regime seemingly is OK spending money on iffy players that have risk as long as it isn't a long-term deal, but isn't willing to land stars if it means the contract could be awful on the back-end...even though getting that star for their prime could make the team so much better.
It's disappointing. |
One thing we can hang our hat on is during this regime, we haven't regretted losing out on a free agent yet. |
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ChickenStu
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | A lot of smoke that a Rendon signing with the Angels could be imminent. Maybe the Dodgers just don't have the stomach to close one of these huge free agents with Friedman. You have to be willing to overpay to land star free agents, and it's just that simple. This regime seemingly is OK spending money on iffy players that have risk as long as it isn't a long-term deal, but isn't willing to land stars if it means the contract could be awful on the back-end...even though getting that star for their prime could make the team so much better.
It's disappointing. |
One thing we can hang our hat on is during this regime, we haven't regretted losing out on a free agent yet. |
At some point, you have to take a bite out of the apple. |
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LongBeachPoly
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | LongBeachPoly wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | A lot of smoke that a Rendon signing with the Angels could be imminent. Maybe the Dodgers just don't have the stomach to close one of these huge free agents with Friedman. You have to be willing to overpay to land star free agents, and it's just that simple. This regime seemingly is OK spending money on iffy players that have risk as long as it isn't a long-term deal, but isn't willing to land stars if it means the contract could be awful on the back-end...even though getting that star for their prime could make the team so much better.
It's disappointing. |
One thing we can hang our hat on is during this regime, we haven't regretted losing out on a free agent yet. |
At some point, you have to take a bite out of the apple. |
Doesn't look like it's going to happen this year.
Mookie Betts or JT Realmuto next year? I doubt it. |
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LongBeachPoly
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | epak wrote: | You think we get Rendon and Cole?
If we get Cole, say bye to Ryu.
If we get Rendon, who on the infield is gone? |
not gonna happen on either account. have we learned enough already from the Friedman regime? they take pleasure of bargain hunting ex-all stars came off injuries than actually spend like a big market team. |
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The Dodgers, still in on Gerrit Cole and Anthony Rendon, have met with Scott Boras, their agent, at the winter meetings and are scheduled to meet with him again today, per source. The Angels also have a meeting scheduled today. |
Not sure why you say it's not gonna happen.
Unless they get outbid by NY or the Rangers by a ridiculous amount, I can see one or both happening. |
Yup, now you know why people were predicting Dodgers don't sign any tier 1 FAs.
Same story every year. |
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lakersken80
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Sifting through the bargain basement again? |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Now the happiest guy on earth is Andrew Friedman, finally the tier 1 FAs are gone, now he can do what he does best which is bargain hunting with a boatload of cash. |
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LongBeachPoly
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Sifting through the bargain basement again? |
We found ourselves a broken closer so far. Let's see if we can patch him up with some duct tape and superglue. |
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LongBeachPoly
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | Now the happiest guy on earth is Andrew Friedman, finally the tier 1 FAs are gone, now he can do what he does best which is bargain hunting with a boatload of cash. |
Who's going to be our Brandon McCarthy, Scott Kazmir, AJ Pollock, Joe Kelly, or Sergio Romo this year? |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | That is a ridiculous contract.
I'm glad we missed out....
Also another reason to get your kid into baseball....  |
You're gonna love giving MadBum $100 M  |
Well considering the DBacks are mentioned as offering him 70 million and Dodgers might be preparing that 100 million offer, is he really going to turn down 30 million just for spite? |
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nickuku
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Front office is a joke. We've been missing a reliable right handed power bat for years. Getting Rendon would've allowed turner to shift over to first. They seem to just want to look like they were in the hunt but are too cheap to go for broke.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| nickuku wrote: | | Front office is a joke. We've been missing a reliable right handed power bat for years. Getting Rendon would've allowed turner to shift over to first. They seem to just want to look like they were in the hunt but are too cheap to go for broke. |
another whiff ... we still only have one ACE and inconsistent playoff bats |
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LongBeachPoly
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| JerryWest_44 wrote: | | nickuku wrote: | | Front office is a joke. We've been missing a reliable right handed power bat for years. Getting Rendon would've allowed turner to shift over to first. They seem to just want to look like they were in the hunt but are too cheap to go for broke. |
another whiff ... we still only have one ACE and inconsistent playoff bats |
yeah, regarding the inconsistent playoff bats..
That has to change for us to win. We can't/weren't going to correct that through free agency.
We might need to sign some trashcans. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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wow....risky. If you can fix him, he could be worth it. |
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ChickenStu
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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So the Dodgers didn't even make Rendon an offer because they believed "he didn't want to play in Los Angeles"...and then he signs to play in Anaheim LOL.
We just don't have the stomach to shell out massive cash for the star free agents. I swear, if we end up signing MadBum for $100MM, I'm going to be livid. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | So the Dodgers didn't even make Rendon an offer because they believed "he didn't want to play in Los Angeles"...and then he signs to play in Anaheim LOL.
We just don't have the stomach to shell out massive cash for the star free agents. I swear, if we end up signing MadBum for $100MM, I'm going to be livid. |
I think that rumor that the Dodgers went over $300M for Cole was a load of bologna too.
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epak
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | epak wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | epak wrote: | You think we get Rendon and Cole?
If we get Cole, say bye to Ryu.
If we get Rendon, who on the infield is gone? |
not gonna happen on either account. have we learned enough already from the Friedman regime? they take pleasure of bargain hunting ex-all stars came off injuries than actually spend like a big market team. |
| Quote: | Jorge Castillo
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The Dodgers, still in on Gerrit Cole and Anthony Rendon, have met with Scott Boras, their agent, at the winter meetings and are scheduled to meet with him again today, per source. The Angels also have a meeting scheduled today. |
Not sure why you say it's not gonna happen.
Unless they get outbid by NY or the Rangers by a ridiculous amount, I can see one or both happening. |
Yup, now you know why people were predicting Dodgers don't sign any tier 1 FAs.
Same story every year. |
Weird that the Dodger didnt make an offer to Rendon.
Word is they felt Rendon didnt want in.
At that point what can you do. Very disappointing.
On to next year. Where I'll still be hoping we get a tier 1 if need be. |
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epak
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | So the Dodgers didn't even make Rendon an offer because they believed "he didn't want to play in Los Angeles"...and then he signs to play in Anaheim LOL.
We just don't have the stomach to shell out massive cash for the star free agents. I swear, if we end up signing MadBum for $100MM, I'm going to be livid. |
I think that rumor that the Dodgers went over $300M for Cole was a load of bologna too. |
If this is some play by Boras to keep Ryu in L.A., I'm going to be sick. |
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LonzoLegend2
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| (bleep) joke of a front office....now all our rivals improve we stay stagnant. |
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epak
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| LonzoLegend2 wrote: | | (bleep) joke of a front office....now all our rivals improve we stay stagnant. |
They still seem to play well in the season. We need some playoffs killers on the team. |
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ChickenStu
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Watch the Dodgers give 34-year-old Donaldson 4 years for over $30MM per. Nope, won't give the 30-year-old (next year) Rendon 7 years, but let's pay for a guy's age 34/35/36/37 seasons who isn't as good! We save money, yay!
Seriously, he has a somewhat checkered recent injury history, so I guess he fits into what Friedman looks for perfectly.
Yes, I'm annoyed at the Dodgers right now. Forgive the rant. |
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