Gilbert Arenas on How to Score on Anyone-Talking about kobe, Ingram, Lonzo, other Nba players
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:27 pm    Post subject:

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Was not too impressed when he did the old "This is what's wrong with the NBA today" like every retired player says about the successive era, while simultaneously trying to criticize Steph for "bailing out" big men by shooting over them. He doesn't display a good understanding of modern day guard efficiency when he says probably the greatest 3-point shooter of all time shouldn't take an open shot worth three points when he has a slow big man on his heels.

Not a shocker though, he was a great and talented scorer, much of it based on speed and quickness, but never was never really a high IQ player. As evidenced by well known bone-headed incidents.


Yeah, I thought his analysis of Ingram & Lonzo was particularly poor.
how could his analysis of Zo be poor when everyone has been saying the exact same thing? You have two choices, become a better shooter, or become more aggressive a scorer going to the rack and learning how to finish in the paint. if you choose door #2 you're a 6'7 rondo. we've heard this right on here. some of you have agreed. but because gil the gun in the locker room guy said it, its all of a sudden incorrect? lol.

He's basically saying he knows zo has great vision already. but the league will eventually realize all you want to do is pass. and they will just sit on the guys you're going to pass it too. making their lives harder and making it harder for you to gain even more assists. if you want to raise your assist to their maximum, you need to be a more aggressive penetrating guard. to collapse/move the defense as you see fit, THen deliver the pass.

This is every top assist guards game, even the ones that are not known scorers. they are still aggressive to the rack. it makes the bigs and others want to stop the penetration because thats what you've been taught since you were a kid. dont allow layups. this is why what gil said as well, about bigs on the switch is true. why is it they are always so far back? or backing up constantly..even on shooter guards? because they can't allow a layup. its been banged into their heads their entire lives as basketball players.

and what he said was wrong with Players today was again 100% spot on. He didnt say they sucked. He said what was wrong. just because there's some things that are right. doesnt mean they cant be even better. dont confuse what he said with him thinking they arent good.

He kept explaining about how this era of young guys have all the SKILL in the world but dont know when to use it. that is 100% true. Go on youtube and watch some of these high school kids. they have handles like you would never believe. everyone has a step back jumper now. I know for a fact when i was growing up there were very few high school kids that knew how to perform that move properly. there were some guards with handles. a handful of bigs that can shoot. now everyone no matter how big can shoot well enough, no matter how big, can handle the rock a bit and has some cute dribble moves. but its true, you can have those moves but the moment you play vs a team defense that knows what you like to do, will expose the fact you dont really know when to use all those skills/moves you have. This was/still kind of is austin rivers issues. if you watched film on him coming out of high school and in college. the dude had crazy handles. but when he got to the nba he only recently started to learn when and where to unpack those moves. and how to set them up.

most of these young guys today do a lot of side to side dribbling spending half the time wasting time dribbling. when all you need is a few moves to make a defender lean then go another direction. you dont need 55 dribble mvoes to pull it off. even if you're not the most athletic. we all love kyries crazy handle but we also know that he does more cute moves than are necessary. but nowadays he has at least figured out WHEN to do them in order to create space. before he just had handles for handles sake.

when he's talking about steph, he's just giving his personal opinion on what he thinks about that style of play. He's actually not wrong, and you can say neither is steph. He would rack the big up and get to the ft line. getting the big in foul trouble and occasionally getting an And 1 for 3 points. step will light the big up for a 3 constantly adding that extra 1 point but never really getting the big into foul trouble(which wont open up the paint for his other teammates(but who cares when you have a team full of shooters, minus draymon/iggy and livingston.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:51 pm    Post subject:

If it was as easy as he says, then why don't we speak about him in the same way we do Jordan and Kobe?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:59 pm    Post subject:

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If it was as easy as he says, then why don't we speak about him in the same way we do Jordan and Kobe?


Because Gil was and is a different sort of crazy.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:02 pm    Post subject:

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But we dont know how intelligent these guys are.


Uhh, disagree - I think it's pretty obvious that Jordan Clarkson was a (bleep) dummy.
Cut, come on. Do you really think JC was DUMB at basketball? we're not talking life or anything else. we're talking basketball?

DO we have to always over exaggerate one way or the other? It's either fire hot or ice cold. where's the its chilly, luke warm, warm, kinda hot, hot, etc.?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:15 pm    Post subject:

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If it was as easy as he says, then why don't we speak about him in the same way we do Jordan and Kobe?
for one he wasn't 6'6 with the speed and the hops.
Gil had elite quicks. but his jumping ability was just okay for a nba player.

and gil was a tall PG with weight on him. But he was not a tall shooting guard like jordan/kobe.

in addition. gil was tasked to be a pg when in reality he was a natural scorer. Gil is similar to Jamal Crawford. he was at one time asked to play PG, even though crawf is like 6'5 6'6ish but rail thin. crawf was a scorers scorer too that could pass. similar to gil. those guys were not born passers. but they were not of the body type to be at the SG spot. They are then short shooting guards. outside of a handful of guys like that. most of these short shooting guard guys are never talked about in the same way that real shooting guard legends are. because that height disadvantage is an issue.
Lastly but most importantly, he got injured before his career was over. Kobe got really badly hurt at the tail end of his career. jordan outside of the ankle early on, never got hurt like that again.

it's like saying why doesnt anyone talk about tmac or penny like they talk about jordan or kobe. those dudes were monsters in their primes pre injuries.

you give me a healthy tmac, healthy penny, shoot give me a healthy Baron davis all nba life long and we're talking about these guys having a completely different story written about them. we can throw in Brandon Roy and of course mvp rose.

GIl was also on teams that were not designed to actually win for real. they were designed to put butts in seats but not to actually win in the playoffs.

Remember Gil is only talking about scoring on people for the most part(outside of his comment about zo). he's not really talking about being a great team ball guy. purely scoring on your man. how to do it.

Just for reference. yall do know GIl averaged 18 ppg his 2nd year in the league, then 19 is 3rd, then 25 his 4th year(allstar), 29 his 5th year(allstar), 28 his 6th year(allstar) . he's 25 years old. then he blows his knee out.
most players hit their prime at around 27. he didnt come in early out of college, he came in at 20 yrs old. so what if he never blows out his knee?

the year after, he falls down to 19 a game, and has to sit out the rest of the season. the following year only plays 2 games, still not right, finds his way back in 2010, drops 22 on em per game. and that was that for the most part. bounced around the league got no time. and the guy is gone at 30 years old with a bad knee. The guy is not some dude averaging 19 a night. he was a beast pre knee.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:17 pm    Post subject:

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lol what a surprise that you guys disagree with an elite scorer.
i'll tell you why they disagree. gun incident which they brought up. #2 because he said something that probably bothered them personally. I wont say what he said because its something I've said on here and to others before when discussing high level basketball. its true but it always hurts people's feelings.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:22 pm    Post subject:

splashmtn wrote:
DO we have to always over exaggerate one way or the other? It's either fire hot or ice cold. where's the its chilly, luke warm, warm, kinda hot, hot, etc.?


I think over exaggerating is the easiest way to get others to respond. Sometimes people just want to argue.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:55 pm    Post subject:

I think I differ from some other posters here.

I liked some of his comments on penetrating the defense. I think that for guys like Arenas you have to cherry pick the good and skip over the poor but there is some value there.
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