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Lonzo-Lite Star Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:43 am Post subject: Free Throws Woes - (Last in NBA; Lakers 69% with LeBron but just 65% without) |
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https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/8/20/17679880/la-lakers-free-throw-shooting-editorial-lebron-james
It's not just 3-point shooting Lakers should be worried about. Next season, Lakers as currently constructed will still rank 2nd in the bottom of the league in free throw shooting as well. These woes could affect us during close games.
80.4% - Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk
78.9% - Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
78.0% - Michael Beasley
76.5% - Ivica Zubac
73.1% - LeBron James
73.1% - JaVale McGee
70.7% - Kyle Kuzma
70.2% - Josh Hart
69.4% - Moritz Wagner
68.1% - Brandon Ingram
66.1% - Lance Stephenson
54.3% - Rajon Rondo
45.1% - Lonzo Ball
Average = 70.9% _________________ Tacos
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h2omike Star Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:35 am Post subject: |
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It is an issue of concern, I hope the players took it seriously in the off season. |
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PauPau Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:58 am Post subject: |
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Extremely concerning. So many games lost last season huge-partly because we couldn't hit the freebies.
Im not optimistic on this front unfortunately and expecting teams to employ the hack a laker point guard whenever they can. |
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adkindo Retired Number
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 40345 Location: Dirty South
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:06 am Post subject: |
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bend your knees....bend your knees!
***that was my junior high coach's solution every time someone missed a free throw....even when the clearly bent their knees. |
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defense Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:20 am Post subject: |
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I expect Lonzo, Hart, Ingram and Kuzma to all improve. |
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Chronicle Retired Number
Joined: 21 Jul 2012 Posts: 31930 Location: Manhattan
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:44 am Post subject: |
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luckily our rebounding will make up for it
_________________ Kobe |
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DShotMaker1824 Star Player
Joined: 16 Feb 2012 Posts: 8767
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Javale shot the same percentage as LeBron last season
That's something I didn't expect.
FT shooting is a huge concern. We literally won games because IT (with the Lakers) shot 92% from there last season. |
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activeverb Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:38 am Post subject: Re: Free Throws Woes - Hurt Lakers on Close Games? |
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Lonzo-Lite wrote: | https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/8/20/17679880/la-lakers-free-throw-shooting-editorial-lebron-james
It's not just 3-point shooting Lakers should be worried about. Next season, Lakers as currently constructed will still rank 2nd in the bottom of the league in free throw shooting as well. These woes could affect us during close games.
80.4% - Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk
78.9% - Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
78.0% - Michael Beasley
76.5% - Ivica Zubac
73.1% - LeBron James
73.1% - JaVale McGee
70.7% - Kyle Kuzma
70.2% - Josh Hart
69.4% - Moritz Wagner
68.1% - Brandon Ingram
66.1% - Lance Stephenson
54.3% - Rajon Rondo
45.1% - Lonzo Ball
Average = 70.9% |
It is what it is. For most NBA players, free throw shooting is pretty static throughout their careers. On those rare occasions when it does improve, it's usually very early in a player's career, the second or third season.
By and large, NBA players are not rewarded or penalized for poor free-throw shooting, so it tends to fall to the bottom of the list of things they work on. |
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Judah Star Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:31 am Post subject: |
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I still think it's very possible that they'll shoot even worse from three and the free throw line than they did last year. Could be dead last in both categories percentage wise. If anything will be the Achilles heel of this team this season, it'll be shooting.
I don't expect Rondo or LeBron to shoot any better from the line than they have in their careers. Kuz, KCP, and Hart need to be above 80% and BI at least needs to flirt with it. He’ll be the one who gets to the line the most frequently after LeBron and he’ll only be holding himself back if he doesn't capitalize on it. Come on, guys. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
- John Piper |
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Jordan-esque Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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After LeBron, Ingram will likely average the 2nd most free throw attempts, 68% won’t do it, he should at least aim something above the 75% range.
Kuzma and Hart for being shooters should try to average around the 80% at least. I would love the same for Lonzo but honestly don’t think that’s going to ever be realistic, something around 65% - 68% might be more likely his range. _________________
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Sentient Meat Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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If Lonzo gets to 60 or 70% (achievable) I think the team average goes drastically upwards. |
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Practice Star Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | If Lonzo gets to 60 or 70% (achievable) I think the team average goes drastically upwards. |
You have to take volume into consideration. |
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DancingBarry Editor-in-Chief
Joined: 07 Sep 2001 Posts: 40188 Location: O.C.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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At the end of games, I think we live and die with LeBron at the line. If it's a foul situation, for sure I'm sitting our PGs unless they are inbounding with only a little time on the clock. Last year, there was no clear-cut person to get the ball to until we had IT. |
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818fan Star Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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Bringing in IT was such a huge relief to finally have an elite FT shooter. I hope the kids are working on it |
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Judah Star Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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It's a shame, but Svi, Big Moe, and Zubac might be the three guys I'd be most comfortable with at the line. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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Aren't you glad the Lakers were in so many games even with horrid FT and 3 pt shooting collectively? |
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Judah Star Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | Aren't you glad the Lakers were in so many games even with horrid FT and 3 pt shooting collectively? |
Sure. But at the same time, it was also a major reason why they lost so many of those games. It's not something you can get away with in the playoffs. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
- John Piper |
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Vin Star Player
Joined: 03 Jan 2013 Posts: 6005 Location: France
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:23 am Post subject: Re: Free Throws Woes - Hurt Lakers on Close Games? |
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Lonzo-Lite wrote: | https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/8/20/17679880/la-lakers-free-throw-shooting-editorial-lebron-james
It's not just 3-point shooting Lakers should be worried about. Next season, Lakers as currently constructed will still rank 2nd in the bottom of the league in free throw shooting as well. These woes could affect us during close games.
80.4% - Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk
78.9% - Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
78.0% - Michael Beasley
76.5% - Ivica Zubac
73.1% - LeBron James
73.1% - JaVale McGee
70.7% - Kyle Kuzma
70.2% - Josh Hart
69.4% - Moritz Wagner
68.1% - Brandon Ingram
66.1% - Lance Stephenson
54.3% - Rajon Rondo
45.1% - Lonzo Ball
Average = 70.9% |
Imagine our young guys on the line on the road of a close playoffs game. Yes that's going to hurt us in a big way. |
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JohnDoe Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Chronicle wrote: | luckily our rebounding will make up for it
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_________________ "Less is more." |
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JohnDoe Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:56 am Post subject: Re: Free Throws Woes - Hurt Lakers on Close Games? |
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Vin wrote: | Lonzo-Lite wrote: | https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/8/20/17679880/la-lakers-free-throw-shooting-editorial-lebron-james
It's not just 3-point shooting Lakers should be worried about. Next season, Lakers as currently constructed will still rank 2nd in the bottom of the league in free throw shooting as well. These woes could affect us during close games.
80.4% - Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk
78.9% - Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
78.0% - Michael Beasley
76.5% - Ivica Zubac
73.1% - LeBron James
73.1% - JaVale McGee
70.7% - Kyle Kuzma
70.2% - Josh Hart
69.4% - Moritz Wagner
68.1% - Brandon Ingram
66.1% - Lance Stephenson
54.3% - Rajon Rondo
45.1% - Lonzo Ball
Average = 70.9% |
Imagine our young guys on the line on the road of a close playoffs game. Yes that's going to hurt us in a big way. |
Is that you, Vin? _________________ "Less is more." |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Judah wrote: | epak wrote: | Aren't you glad the Lakers were in so many games even with horrid FT and 3 pt shooting collectively? |
Sure. But at the same time, it was also a major reason why they lost so many of those games. It's not something you can get away with in the playoffs. |
We definitely don't want to stay at the bottom.
The reason I'm glad is because I feel the Lakers can improve on those things.
Plus we have a closer now.
No more Kuzma and BI trying to create as time runs down (though their time may come later, I just don't want to see it this year). And no more relying on KCP taking the last shot, unless it's off a kickout and he's wide open. |
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Nash Vegas Star Player
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Svi
KCP
Ingram
Kuzma
LeBron
Free throw line up _________________ |
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cathy78 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:50 am Post subject: |
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The average is 69,5%, Even if the young guys make a 5% (.718) improvement we won't get to the level of the championship teams of the past, not even taking FTA into account (.730)
GS 2018: .815
GS 2017: .788
CLE 2016: .774
GS 2015: .768
SAS 2014: .785
Heat 2013: .754
Heat 2012: .775
Dallas 2011: .777
Lakers 2010: .765
Lakers 2009: .770
Boston 2008: .771 |
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CabinCreek44 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:04 am Post subject: |
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Dead last in FT% in the league as we were last season isn't going to get it done, that's for sure. As cathy78's post illustrates, need to be in the mid-to-high 70s to compete for a title.
It's been a problem for a long time in the modern era of the NBA. Scores of NBA games are lost due to ineptitude at the charity stripe. |
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mookielala Star Player
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Damn, Rondo. What's up with that %? |
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